saw Foo Fighters at Firefly and they were even better than OutKast on the beach. since there is no curfew they did a 5 song encore playing as a cover band called the Holy Shits. it was absolutely incredible
For the record there is a curfew at Firefly. It's like 1 or 2am
I just think the narrative in the argument is misguided on a national scale (not you specifically). So much of this has been made to be not an issue with these individuals or society as a whole but with the company and industry in which they are employed. I don't get that. If you want to be mad at the NFL there are many valid reasons. The homophobia in locker rooms, any potential cover up of crimes, and this from a recent NYT article: Football provides an outlet for thousands of young men every year to escape a life of poverty and get an education at some of the best institutions in the country. Unfortunately those scholarships can result in the student-athletes being permanently injured and exploited for profit by the schools and the NCAA. There are a lot of things going on in the youth, HS, college, and pro levels that is shady or reprehensible. I understand the toll football can have on your body. My combined concussions + broken bones + surgeries + ligament tears + dislocations and other injuries is in the 20s and most of that is from football. The concussions specifically has impacted my life in a major way. There is no way my non-existent and hypothetical future children would be playing football before high school, if at all. That being said, I would do it all over again. I never want to be an Al Bundy, but those were some of the best years of my life.
If you don't like football for those reasons, then I understand and I am certain that your opinion will be a majority opinion within a few decades. If football goes the way of boxing I can live with that, I just hope they take the UFC/MMA with them.
To be clear, I am disgusted on the Ray Rice/McDonald/Hardy/Peterson issues and have been the whole time. I thought at the time a 2 game suspension was absurd. The Ravens twitter quoting Janay Rice about how she had a role in the incident was amazingly tone deaf. The new policy of 6 games then indefinite suspension was more or less PR as is the NFL creating a new VP to oversee these issues. To then release and suspend Ray Rice after the video came out was backtracking and stupid and doesn't seem to make much sense legally. Even if Ray Rice wasn't completely forthright with the league office, I personally don't need to see a video of each incident to know domestic violence is horrible 100% of the time regardless of the severity and individual details of the case. For all of those reasons, the NFL is taking a lot of heat and they deserve it.
The Penn St case will forever be sickening. Their eligibility for postseason play was restored while the Ray Rice thing was going on and I wish more heat had been thrown the NCAAs way. It's indefensible.
James Brown (the studio host, not the singer) was 100% dead on when he talked about the societal issues being more important than just Ray Rice. There should be zero tolerance for domestic violence at every company nationwide not just the NFL. The people who wore Ray Rice jerseys Thursday or the horrible woman with the 'switch' and the Peterson jersey on Sunday are absolute morons and horrible human beings every day of the week, not just Sunday. 90% of your argument is regarding the people who treat these athletes as kings. Take away football or any other sport and those same people are just as likely to be enablers in some other way. The meatheads and morons who cheer for laundry regardless of their personal lives are likely to be idiots in most of the other facets of their lives. So many people are mad at Goodell but not the owners of the team. Where are the angry Twitter mobs going after Biscotti, Wolfe, and the others? It's an issue with the people in society and not just 32 local franchises. The public outcry involving the NFL should revolve around any potential cover up and/or failure to act. I can't think of a single time when someone who was not famous and just a local resident near me did something morally and/or legally wrong and then I ended up mad at that individuals employer more than the individual who did it. The real anger/discussion should be directed not just at professional athletes or the league that employs them but for the people who root for these teams and what they deem acceptable. That should also involve people who don't like football. What does it mean to be a man and what are the expectations? How should we treat the other sex? How can one do something so violent for work and leave the violence, anger, and hyped up masculinity at work and out of the rest of your life?
Instead the majority of the conversations are around what did Goodell know, should they be suspended, is this a legit investigation, etc. Half of the conversation about Adrian Peterson is about whether he should be suspended and half is about if hitting your child is acceptable and I wish it was 100% of the conversation. I'm pissed off that they keep showing the elevator video over and over. I've never been involved in one of those situations but I imagine there are women out there that have flashbacks to their own instances of abuse when the elevator video is shown.
Yes there is a lot of horrible stuff in football but I and everyone else knew this before last week. I wish the discussion was more about what is wrong with society and not what is wrong with football. Those conversations (brain injury, NCAA corruption, etc.) have been out there forever and can be picked back up at any time. There is now a national focus being put on domestic violence and how the football industry responds when it should be an example for all people and all industries/employers. Despite all the ad money and TV ratings, the media and consumers drives football, its players, and all that $$ not the other way around. All employers should take tougher lines with their employees when it comes to domestic violence. If you think the NFL is the only business where star employees and replacement level employees are treated differently and that the NFL is the only company that tries to sweep things under the rug....
I agree with everything you said. I was a football fan. I enjoyed the sport and the tradition. Used to go to the games. Throw football parties. The whole nine yards. My attitude toward football started to change with the off the field violence against women, Michael Vick, Ray Lewis, arguments with my family and friends who would defend the, second time I might add, accused rapist quicker than look harshly at a beloved player (a franchise QB is way more valuable than "some 20 year old drunk girl's life"). Apparently, it wasn't just my inner circle who agreed: Vick was allowed to come back, Ben is still the Steelers QB. It's disgusting to me. Ben also got into some trouble here in Pittsburgh that was quickly covered up by the police and a club owner, which never made local or national news. This happened before the other "scandals" and that's about when I started thinking that I can't support something that allows men to behave and act this way. It's about as simple as that. I used to work for a rape crisis center and have dealt with violence against women my whole life, personally and as a advocate for change.
I said the "culture" of football. You say society as a whole. I wholeheartedly agree. I think though, football, more than any other sport or favorite American mega entertainment industry, music included, has a problem with its priorities and values. Is this a reflection of the larger American society? Absolutely. I said before that the way fans dismiss the bad behavior just so they can keep cheering it on sickens me. The way some parents push their kids to play, the way some high school and universities will do everything in their power to protect their football program is well, criminal. I don't speak to anyone about football anymore. This is the first time on this board I engaged in the dialogue. I wish I hadn't said a thing.
And, yes, billypilgrim, if I find someone truly offensive, no matter their talent, I stop listening and supporting that artist. I have changed a great deal the past few years of my life. The things I value and choose to spend my time engaging in have changed dramatically in my 30's. I guess I ain't got time no more for football or the Ted Nugents or R Kellys of this world. If I'm aware of something that, in my opinion, is wrong or really offensive to me, I just don't engage with it anymore. Sometimes, I'm not aware or that informed about a musician, such as R Kelly. After learning more about him, I ain't got time for him no more. It's just that simple with me. There are better things in life to do, be apart of, to think about for me than negatives or BS people. I have musicians that, at one time, I greatly admired and have now started to become downers for me, such as Wayne Coyne.
At any rate, my point is, if I really start to not like something because it compromises my morals, makes me feel "cheap," or seriously pisses me off (either as a woman or as a humanitarian), yeah, I start inching away from it, no matter how much I may have it enjoyed it at one time. I'm living and learning and growing. Life has gotten busier and fuller. I know better now who I am than I ever did. Football is not for me. As are certain artists. So on and so forth.
I don't agree with everything here, but I'm glad you chose to express it. I do understand what you're saying and always respect your opinion.
My very early recap on the weekend is this: the shows were great, the festival sucked. I'm not sure I saw a single bad show, except everything on the Roots stage had some sort of technical difficulties at some point. The Flaming Lips straight up lost power for a good 10 minutes, which cut into The National, and because of sound ordinance BS The National's set was just short. Best show for me was still probably The National though. I was like second row and the sexy, sexy man was so freaking close to me. It was amazing. I will be seeing them again in a heartbeat the next chance I get.
Now, logistically speaking, this thing was a nightmare. Bottlenecks of people everywhere. I actually missed Hot Snakes because we got stuck in a sea of people who were all trying to move, but couldn't, because there were just so many people. Then for Weezer we were soooo far back, and were still super packed in like we were all up in the crowd or something. But it was because there was just no where for people to go so the walking path kinda merged with the crowd and it was just a giant cluster fuck. But really, it was a cluster fuck everywhere. Huge portions of area unused and gated off that could've really alleviated the hoards of people walking around these random fenced off areas that seemed to be blocked for absolutely no reason. At Weezer, these two guys next to me were trying to figure out how to get to the VIP viewing area because it was so inaccessible due to the amount of people. I don't know how to even begin to fix this cluster fuck of a set up though. I feel like they need to go back to square one and re-arrange everything.
oh, and it rained and was super cold on friday, saturday and sunday it warmed up, but it was a muddy mess.
Also, I got to meet a handful of inforoosters, and that was amazing. I want all of you in my life all the time!!!!
Overall, I had a great weekend. Well worth it. Hopefully they can make better use of the space for next year, but I'd say with the right line up I'd consider returning again.
I have pretty much the same feeling. I only went Sunday. With work it was the only day I could swing but it was the day with the most acts I wanted to see on one single day so it worked out. I loved every set I saw. The Blue Album is my favorite album ever so it lived up to my personal hype finally seeing it live. I was in heaven that whole set, loved that I could finally see Kurt Vile, and bonded with some strangers over Lucero. Danced my butt off with some middle age couple I befriended during Cheap Trick. Overall, the crowd sucked though. The staff was even worse. And the set up was god awful.
I got called a few unfavorable names cause I was close-ish for a set and wouldn't let a bunch of kids pass in front of me and my friends so they could get closer. If it was a person or two I was more willing to let em through. But when a group of 7 16 year olds try to get around and practically knock me over to get closer and tell me i'm not "punk" enough for freakin' Weezer, I'm gonna get a little testy. I haven't been feeling good all week but thought I felt good enough to get in the pit along the barrier for The Front Bottoms. Half way through their set I started to feel light headed and started to head out and some guy stopped me and told me I was "too weak for this shiiiii" Okay dude, aren't you happy I'm passing through and letting you get closer? I go to a lot of shows and I've gone to a handful of fests but I've never been snarled at and shoved so much in my life. I'm not a punk rocker by any means but I dig a lot of punk and was really looking forward to the weekend.
At one point I asked some staff where I could find the water fill stations cause I was out of water. The guy told me he had no clue what I was talking about, even after I showed him a map. I started to approach another guy wearing a riot fest staff shirt to ask him and as I got closer I saw he was sharing some illegal substance with a group of festival goers... Very professional and helpful for sure. I asked a security guard where I could find the water and he didn't know. Asked a med staffer and he just told me to keep walking "that way" until I found it. Eventually I just gave up and found a stand with slightly cheaper bottles of water. Getting into the gates was delayed almost a half hour and they hardly even checked my bag. I saw a few people walking around with a few handles of booze. I saw people walking around with dogs that didn't appear to be service dogs. All of these were listed as things not permitted into the fest. Not that I'm tryin' to be a stickler for the rules, but I don't feel like a music fest is the best place for your dog...
I felt pretty unsafe in the whole area near where Weezer played (I think it was the rebel/rise stages?) When The Front Bottoms packed that area pretty well as a 1 PM act I was really unsure how it was gonna going from Cheap Trick, Primus and Weezer all playing albums front to back... I went and checked out stuff near the main stage for a while and it was just so insanely packed I left pretty quickly and when I came back to the rebel/rise area it was pretty tame. I didn't have to wait in line for beer or anything. But within 20 mins after getting dinner that area just became a clusterquack. If there would have been an emergency, things would have gotten really scary real quick.
I really doubt I'd return to Riot Fest unless they made some drastic changes. I know a lot of other people are sharing my sentiment. I still enjoyed my day for the most part, but the negatives definitely made me believe it wasn't worth the ticket price.
Jan 16 Disclosure
Feb 7 Umphrey's McGee
Mar 15 Dropkick Murphys
May 16 Mastodon / Gojira / Kvelertak
May 31 Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings
Jun 21 John Butler Trio
Jun 24 Lionel Richie
Jul 11 DMB
Jul 25-27 Newport Folk
Aug 19 Arcade Fire
Oct 25 Fleetwood Mac
Nov 28 Run The Jewels
Yeah, I can eat and I do appreciate a clean toilet so I guess VIP is probably the way to go for me. You'd think by the way I live like an animal at Roo it wouldn't matter but those are special circumstances and the beach tends to wear me out anyway. Also, hey in Alabama!
Woot! Alabama! I hate to paint such a bad picture of GA. It's obviously an amazing experience to be there under any ticketing option. I'm just an old, pale woman who learned in 2011 that I didn't have what it takes to survive GA. You go to Roo as GA? Wow. I'm impressed!
Yep, GA for Roo since my first year in 2012. It's not bad, though my experience may be skewed since we camp in Access for my husband. I think I could probably handle GA for Hangout as well I just might not want to since it is the beach and all that sand walking is sure to wear me out.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Sept 15, 2014 20:36:18 GMT -5
Big Boi was definitely one of my highlights that year. I went in not expecting to enjoy it as much as I did. I was more familiar with Outkast then a lot of his recent solo work but the show was an awesome late night set. I wish every year they had a rapper of his caliber in that same slot.
I watched a vid of it, looked pretty cool. Bein' in the sea trumps hearing cover songs in my book. I saw FF play School's Out at Hangout '11. Shoulda stuck around for more but we went to get a spot for Primus.
FF earned my respect that day with their cover set. I also left early for Primus. *kicks myself*
Deluna was great/okay with guests. Bob Mould came out and played the garage song he played with them on the last album (+) but then Joan Jett came out (was her birthday) so the played happy birthday to Joan Jett and did Bad Reputation (okay). They covered Young Man Blues, Breakdown by Petty and a Pink Fliyd song.
Keith Speara at NOLA.com/TP is sure Shorty will come on stage with Foo Fighters at Voodoo. Apparently he is either on the New Orleans song on their new project or he came out and played at Preservation Hall (speaking of which, RIP Tim Green who played with everyone in every genre along the way. A true brass/rock/soul icon of the city). He played with Gabriel at Woodstock, and he played recently on occasions with Gravity A. I recall him playing with local progressive band Woodenhead back in their heyday in the early 80s. They were my favorite local band coming up. They went through a lot of lineup changes over the years and different styles. I'll never forget seeing him at Bayou Boogaloo in 2011, and in an afternoon, I saw him on different stages with 4 different acts. Word was he actually played with 7 bands that day. RImfnP www.nola.com/music/index.ssf/2014/08/new_orleans_jazz_saxophonist_t.html
Favorite shows 2014
1. Lotus at Buku (rail, spiritualized)
2. String Cheese at Jazzfest (my Top 1 Jazzfest set ever)
3. Papadosio at Wakarusa
4. Trey Band Night 1 House of Blues February
5. String Cheese 3.5 Hour set at Waka