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More byplay between Marie and Jesse would've been nice...they'd make a great comedic duo, I think, able to push each other's buttons to hilarious effect.
I did think it was worth noting how really Hank/Marie/Skyler/Saul came off as more ruthless during the episode with Walt (who is supposed to be the bad guy) being the one person who was holding out against taking a next step down the ladder until the very end of the episode.
That reminds me. I noted at the end who Walt calls Todd directly without consulting anyone rather than running it by someone else or going through Saul who had already offered to take care of things. It made me wonder if it was a lack of trust or potentially Walt not wanting to admit to Saul that he was wrong about what needed to be done with Jesse.
I did think it was worth noting how really Hank/Marie/Skyler/Saul came off as more ruthless during the episode with Walt (who is supposed to be the bad guy) being the one person who was holding out against taking a next step down the ladder until the very end of the episode.
That reminds me. I noted at the end who Walt calls Todd directly without consulting anyone rather than running it by someone else or going through Saul who had already offered to take care of things. It made me wonder if it was a lack of trust or potentially Walt not wanting to admit to Saul that he was wrong about what needed to be done with Jesse.
I think you're right about Walt, and I found it odd how the camera work in the plaza scene presented him as such a potential target; as if anyone could simply walk up behind him and blow his brains all over the concrete tiles...but also as if he was aware of his exposure and didn't care. But then Jesse's threats roused him out of whatever depressed state he was in.
That said, I wouldn't count on Walt's job for Todd's uncle being that he wants Jesse killed. This show's just too unpredictable to make that assumption.
Yea, I agree.....though that therapist scene had me getting angry. Glad it didn't last too long.
Yeah, but "How's work? Last week you were upset about the parking rules" was one of the funniest lines of the series. I also laughed a lot at Hank putting on Jesse's seatbelt. Some solid funny moments mixed in with "Oh man oh man oh man oh man" ones.
I did think it was worth noting how really Hank/Marie/Skyler/Saul came off as more ruthless during the episode with Walt (who is supposed to be the bad guy) being the one person who was holding out against taking a next step down the ladder until the very end of the episode.
That reminds me. I noted at the end who Walt calls Todd directly without consulting anyone rather than running it by someone else or going through Saul who had already offered to take care of things. It made me wonder if it was a lack of trust or potentially Walt not wanting to admit to Saul that he was wrong about what needed to be done with Jesse.
I think you're right about Walt, and I found it odd how the camera work in the plaza scene presented him as such a potential target; as if anyone could simply walk up behind him and blow his brains all over the concrete tiles...but also as if he was aware of his exposure and didn't care. But then Jesse's threats roused him out of whatever depressed state he was in.
That said, I wouldn't count on Walt's job for Todd's uncle being that he wants Jesse killed. This show's just too unpredictable to make that assumption.
That was partly my issue with the plaza. It seems like they were trying to build it up as a threat to both Walt and Jessie but it really existed for neither. Walt is not going to have Jesse killed in a very visible spot with him anywhere near. It's an unneeded risk, and one would assume, with his aversion to it happening, Walt would not actually want to see Jesse die even if he decided to make that call.
Second to that, I didn't buy Jesse's paranoia about the tattooed dad. Jesse just got through a whole spiel to Hank and Gomie about how Walt is the devil and will flip the situation no matter what Hank does to try to make the situation a certain way. If he really has that much respect for Walt, is he really going to think that Walt is going some hire some rando who stuck out like a sore thumb to kill Jesse in the middle of public? It just seemed a little out of balance to me.
Yea, I agree.....though that therapist scene had me getting angry. Glad it didn't last too long.
Yeah, but "How's work? Last week you were upset about the parking rules" was one of the funniest lines of the series. I also laughed a lot at Hank putting on Jesse's seatbelt. Some solid funny moments mixed in with "Oh man oh man oh man oh man" ones.
"Mr. White's gay for me, everybody knows that" was also hilarious right in the middle of a very tense scene.
He lives in his egocentric pride, like Mike was saying right before Walt shot him. Even taking care of his family is driven by his pride. So what's he most proud of?
I don't think Jesse thought the guy in the plaza was a threat (maybe at first), but instead I think Jesse had a realization on how to get Walt back in a different way.
I don't think Jesse thought the guy in the plaza was a threat (maybe at first), but instead I think Jesse had a realization on how to get Walt back in a different way.
No, he clearly thought he was a threat. He was scared to death. And they made sure to show the threat neutralized by the child walking up to Daddy. He came up with another way to get him when he was on the phone with him.
I don't think Jesse thought the guy in the plaza was a threat (maybe at first), but instead I think Jesse had a realization on how to get Walt back in a different way.
No, he clearly thought he was a threat. He was scared to death. And they made sure to show the threat neutralized by the child walking up to Daddy. He came up with another way to get him when he was on the phone with him.
He clearly thought Mr. White was trying to kill him, bansheebeat. There's no other way to read that scene. That's why he called saying "Nice try, asshole."
He clearly thought Mr. White was trying to kill him, bansheebeat. There's no other way to read that scene. That's why he called saying "Nice try, asshole."
Agree to disagree. There is no other way to read the scene.... except for the way I read it.
It was just too obvious. Jesse isn't stupid. And to think Vince and crew would try a cop out like that is just dumb. Seeing the guy probably spooked him at first. But it caused him to hesitate long enough to think of an alternative.
The "nice try asshole" was Jesse's way of nipping any potential manipulation by Walt in the bud.
Of course I could just be grasping for straws. I just think the way the scene appeared on the surface is really weak and a little lame, and I don't think the writers would do something like that.
Post by Dave Maynar on Sept 3, 2013 11:33:08 GMT -5
I just had a somewhat happy image of the finale being Kuby and Huell being the last men standing at the end of the series and taking all the money to their private island.
He clearly thought Mr. White was trying to kill him, bansheebeat. There's no other way to read that scene. That's why he called saying "Nice try, asshole."
Agree to disagree. There is no other way to read the scene.... except for the way I read it.
It was just too obvious. Jesse isn't stupid. And to think Vince and crew would try a cop out like that is just dumb. Seeing the guy probably spooked him at first. But it caused him to hesitate long enough to think of an alternative.
The "nice try jerkstore" was Jesse's way of nipping any potential manipulation by Walt in the bud.
Of course I could just be grasping for straws. I just think the way the scene appeared on the surface is really weak and a little lame, and I don't think the writers would do something like that.
Jesse isn't stupid, but he's paranoid and isn't thinking clearly as he's currently teaming up with Hank to try and take out a guy he is completely and utterly terrified of.
Did you forget Jesse's comments to the DEA when they were asking him questions? He knows that if he goes after Walter he's completely f*cked, and he comes right out and says that to everyone thinking about doing it.
They wouldn't have focused so much on the guy standing there if "nice try" was simply a line about manipulation. They also wouldn't show that shot of the little girl running up to him and proving that Jesse was wrong.
What about the scene makes it lame? The fact that he thought Walt was going to have him whacked in broad daylight because he's a criminal mastermind?
I feel like Jesse wants to ruin his reputation or somehow ruin his money. I don't have any idea how.
I also think that a lot has changed with Todd and his uncle since the last time Walt dealt with them. Walt is probably underestimating their new power by asking them to do a simple hit on someone, if that is indeed what he is planning on doing.
Can you guys refresh my memory of the details: There was a scene early in the series where Hank was running surveillance on a drug deal, but Walt used a stand in. The latest episode made me think about it and how Jesse knows in a situation like that, Walt wouldn't play it straight.
Can you guys refresh my memory of the details: There was a scene early in the series where Hank was running surveillance on a d deal, but Walt used a stand in. The latest episode made me think about it and how Jesse knows in a situation like that, Walt wouldn't play it straight.
I think you're talking about the park bench scene in an episode in season 2? The synopsis of the details of that scene:
Cut to Badger, with Goodman at his side, being questioned by Hank. Badger tells them Heisenberg is a "50 or 70"-year-old bald man of medium height and weight.
Back in Goodman's office the lawyer tells Jesse and Walter about Jimmy In-and-Out, a man who will go to jail for a price. A buy has already been set up; Walter and Jesse just need to provide $80,000 (for Jimmy and Goodman) and a pound of meth for the bust.
Badger sits on the same bench from the opening, with Hank and Gomez watching from across the street. Walter and Jesse park several blocks away to watch the proceedings through binoculars. A different balding man sits down next to Badger, and it's clear that Badger thinks this is Jimmy. Jimmy shows up and sits on another bench nearby. "Ok, let's do this," Badger says to the first man. Realizing what's happening, Walter drives to the scene and drops Jesse off near the benches. He pulls directly alongside Hank's car and blocks the surveillance while pretending to have spotted his brother-in-law randomly. Jesse walks quickly behind Badger and says, "Wrong bench." Walter leaves and the bust goes down. Hank seems bothered by the arrest.
If that's the scene I'm not following how it relates, but I'm running on bare minimum of sleep, so I'm probably just missing something
Post by SilentEyedStorm on Sept 6, 2013 18:11:57 GMT -5
I've been cautious about not reading this thread since I started my BB journey so late, but I'll be joining soon. I'm on S5 Ep5 on Netflix, then gonna catch the already aired episodes on amc.com. I've not been invested in this show for years and I, too, am sad it's coming to an end
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