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$25 mil/year, just unreal. And why does Seattle continue to pour money into King Felix and not anywhere else on their roster? Did Felix bang the owner's wife or daughter and never call her again?
They have a team payroll of $71 million this year, Felix's deal would kick in immediately, raising his 2013 salary from $19.5 to $25, so the team has a $76.5m payroll and Felix makes 1/3 of it by himself.
F*ck that team, they better start spending money and doing right by Felix, I don't one of the best pitchers I'll ever see in my lifetime rot away because his team won't spend money elsewhere.
Post by Longtime and Frequent Poster on Feb 7, 2013 15:05:56 GMT -5
Jesus. I know he's at worst one of the three best pitchers in baseball, but this is just absurd. Jack Zduriencik was so money when he was an assistant to Doug Melvin with the Brewers, but he’s made some curious decisions with Seattle. Gotta feeling he’ll be out after this year provided their offense is terrible again.
Jesus. I know he's at worst one of the three best pitchers in baseball, but this is just absurd. Jack Zduriencik was so money when he was an assistant to Doug Melvin with the Brewers, but he’s made some curious decisions with Seattle. Gotta feeling he’ll be out after this year provided their offense is terrible again.
I mean, value-wise I think it's a good deal. The market for pitchers is going to keep increasing and in 3 or 4 years a $25m annual salary for a 29 or 30 year old pitcher (yes, Felix is still only 26 years old....just ridiculous) who is elite is going to actually be a bargain, probably. Or at least market value.
Post by Longtime and Frequent Poster on Feb 7, 2013 15:22:55 GMT -5
If he was a free agent it'd be a better deal, but he wasn't. He's just not worth that much money over a seven year contract. There isn't a single pitcher I'd feel comfortable giving that much money to over seven years (or any seven year contact for that matter.) Yes, he's 26 and has been extremely durable for his whole career, but all it takes it was catastrophic injury for the contract to blow up in their face. Just a bizarre deal for a team like the Mariners.
Happy for him though. The Brewers are in Seattle in August and I really want to go out there for the series and see the city for the first time.
If he was a free agent it'd be a better deal, but he wasn't. He's just not worth that much money over a seven year contract. There isn't a single pitcher I'd feel comfortable giving that much money to over seven years (or any seven year contact for that matter.) Yes, he's 26 and has been extremely durable for his whole career, but all it takes it was catastrophic injury for the contract to blow up in their face. Just a bizarre deal for a team like the Mariners.
Happy for him though. The Brewers are in Seattle in August and I really want to go out there for the series and see the city for the first time.
Edit: Whattup nod. Most posts in this thread.
Double edit: Never mind.
That'd be a fun trip, I have a lot of friends from Seattle, it's a cool city.
And don't get me wrong, I think 7 years is too long for a pitcher and what you just described as the worst-case is literally exactly what happened to Johan when he came to the Mets. I actually don't like the deal because it locks Felix into Seattle until he's 33 and can sign with the Yankees as an aging power pitcher whose arm is weakening.
I feel bad for Felix just because I genuinely don't think he grasps the situation he's in. Yes, it's good money, but like you guys have been saying that team is going to waste away under that contract. I don't think he understands that while he gets paid he's going to keep pitching for a mediocre franchise. If he would pursue free agency he has the opportunity for a similar deal (cut back on term maybe) with a much more successful franchise. But like you said Henrik, one of the greatest pitchers of this generation is currently in jeopardy of wasting away in Safeco.
Am I the only one who thinks he'll be traded to the Yankees about halfway through that deal?
I alluded to the inevitable "King Felix goes to the Yanks after his prime years are over" situation earlier, but I think I just assumed his contract would expire first.
Am I the only one who thinks he'll be traded to the Yankees about halfway through that deal?
I alluded to the inevitable "King Felix goes to the Yanks after his prime years are over" situation earlier, but I think I just assumed his contract would expire first.
Also, I drunkenly stumbled upon that 18 inning marathon for the Carribean league last night. For some reason I thought it was hilarious that Douglas clark, who can't speak a lick of spanish, was the hero in the clutch. I'm giving it until next week for a bronze statue of him to be in the heart of Mexico City.
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Feb 12, 2013 11:44:46 GMT -5
Pitching is still horrendous. That lineup should bail them out of games though. At the very least, I'm just ecstatic that the Dolans are spending money for once and we're going to have an exciting, fresh team to watch. Haven't been this excited for opening day in years.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Feb 12, 2013 11:55:37 GMT -5
Biggest problem right now in the NL without a pitch thrown is The Braves. On paper, their hitting has potential to score 6-8 runs a game. Ugglas a meathead hacker and Heyward is yet to reach his potential. Uptons? Ridiculous...Pitching is shakey tho. Gonna be power hitting vs. Power pitching when they play the Phils. F*ck the mets and the Nats officially play in citizens bank park south as our in house scrimmage team.
I just want to be tailgating with a cool beer and a hot grill in a parking lot waiting to inhale dollar dogs.
Pitching is still horrendous. That lineup should bail them out of games though. At the very least, I'm just ecstatic that the Dolans are spending money for once and we're going to have an exciting, fresh team to watch. Haven't been this excited for opening day in years.
ROLL TRIBE
Obviously you’d know way more than me, but don’t these just seem like weird signings for the Indians? By the time the Tribe have a chance to be good in 2-3 years Bourn and Swisher will be well out of their primes. Just seem like a lot of spending for the franchie.
Pitching is still horrendous. That lineup should bail them out of games though. At the very least, I'm just ecstatic that the Dolans are spending money for once and we're going to have an exciting, fresh team to watch. Haven't been this excited for opening day in years.
ROLL TRIBE
Obviously you’d know way more than me, but don’t these just seem like weird signings for the Indians? By the time the Tribe have a chance to be good in 2-3 years Bourn and Swisher will be well out of their primes. Just seem like a lot of spending for the franchie.
Perfect Baseball Storm in Cleveland. Donlans (yes, cousins of Knicks owner) or Wilpons Midwest, had spent the last 5-8 years building a Baseball Cable TV station (think YES) the election convinced the owners to sell it for 250m before the capital gains tax jumped, then they sold broadcast rights to the buyer, (another 15?mil a year), so, they suddenly have cash, aren't dumping money into the network, AND signed Tito, who is clearly driving this bus. They do need pitching, but Tito wanted players, so they bought them. VMartinez and CC are filling the airwaves locally with some great quotes.
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Great morning at the ball park! At one point I was standing right behind Peter Gammons for about 10 minutes watching batting practice and didn't even realize it.
Pitching is still horrendous. That lineup should bail them out of games though. At the very least, I'm just ecstatic that the Dolans are spending money for once and we're going to have an exciting, fresh team to watch. Haven't been this excited for opening day in years.
ROLL TRIBE
Obviously you’d know way more than me, but don’t these just seem like weird signings for the Indians? By the time the Tribe have a chance to be good in 2-3 years Bourn and Swisher will be well out of their primes. Just seem like a lot of spending for the franchie.
Yeah, kind of. A friend on Facebook asked me "What's our window of contention now?" to which I replied: "That's the other thing that's kind of worrisome still. It's definitely not now, and it also won't be in 3 years when Swisher and Bourn are both in their mid 30's because they won't have as much of an impact and we don't have any immediate impact prospects coming up. This should still help put fans in the seats though and make the Indians a team to watch for all 162 games instead of just the first 2/3rds of the season. These aren't great long-term signings though which is an interesting strategy for a team that isn't ready to immediately contend"
A lot of it, really, is what I said before and what clevelandmike touched upon. I'm just happy the team is spending money and seems to care about winning for once. Signing guys like Bourn and Swisher are not going to set the team back five years down the road when they're at the end of their contract. They're not very high-risk contracts like, say, a Josh Hamilton.
And even though they're still not WS contenders , I think they are very serious Wild Card contenders which is a lot more confidence then I had in them at the beginning of the offseason. A team's first goal should always be to get to the playoffs, which they made great strides towards this offseason. That will put fans in the seats and make them a fun team to watch again. I would much rather them do this then sit on their hands and win 60 games again. It inspires more confidence in the players that they're playing for a team that cares.
Not to mention they got GREAT value on both Bourn and Swisher who were projected to earn a lot more at the start of free agency
Obviously you’d know way more than me, but don’t these just seem like weird signings for the Indians? By the time the Tribe have a chance to be good in 2-3 years Bourn and Swisher will be well out of their primes. Just seem like a lot of spending for the franchie.
Yeah, kind of. A friend on Facebook asked me "What's our window of contention now?" to which I replied: "That's the other thing that's kind of worrisome still. It's definitely not now, and it also won't be in 3 years when Swisher and Bourn are both in their mid 30's because they won't have as much of an impact and we don't have any immediate impact prospects coming up. This should still help put fans in the seats though and make the Indians a team to watch for all 162 games instead of just the first 2/3rds of the season. These aren't great long-term signings though which is an interesting strategy for a team that isn't ready to immediately contend"
A lot of it, really, is what I said before and what clevelandmike touched upon. I'm just happy the team is spending money and seems to care about winning for once. Signing guys like Bourn and Swisher are not going to set the team back five years down the road when they're at the end of their contract. They're not very high-risk contracts like, say, a Josh Hamilton.
And even though they're still not WS contenders , I think they are very serious Wild Card contenders which is a lot more confidence then I had in them at the beginning of the offseason. A team's first goal should always be to get to the playoffs, which they made great strides towards this offseason. That will put fans in the seats and make them a fun team to watch again. I would much rather them do this then sit on their hands and win 60 games again. It inspires more confidence in the players that they're playing for a team that cares.
Not to mention they got GREAT value on both Bourn and Swisher who were projected to earn a lot more at the start of free agency
I disagree with the value statement especially when referring to Swisher. I feel we overpaid for him. Wait till he's exposed in our lineup, which is improved, but not quite like the Yankees lineup, to say the least. It is hard, however, to be upset about this considering its' the first time we've spent money in 5 years. I just fear we aren't spending it very wisely. STARTING PITCHING!! Nevertheless...Go Tribe!
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