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Post by kkrrissttinnaa on Feb 7, 2011 16:21:40 GMT -5
I think that the people who are saying, "YES BUT IF YOU ANALYZE HIS LYRICS HE'S A SAINT" are ALSO missing the point. Eminem's music is, on the surface, hateful. When you don't take the time to delve deep into the man's fucking subconscious, as most people don't, then you get the surface representation. Also, I just read a transcript of Eminem's interview on 60 Minutes about being homophobic, and from what I'm getting out of it, he just doesn't care that "f@ggot" is a terrible word because he "grew up using it." Again... it's about social responsibility. Not that I expect him to run out and support GLSEN or whatever, but I stand by my point.
Also, to the person who said that it's an in-word like the N-word? Yeah, a little. I have gay guy friends who talk about being "faggy," but it's an entirely different, non-hateful context. It's about trying to reclaim language that originated as a slur.
Post by icantenough on Feb 7, 2011 16:25:22 GMT -5
logophobia FTL.
"People such as Mrs Smith like to wear their hardships like a crown of thorns. They define themselves by their misfortunes because they can get sympathy from them. I was a victim of this or a survivor of that. They use their trials and tribulations in place of unique personality traits. Sympathy is just another form of attention and everybody loves attention – so if you can’t get on Pop Idol, get cancer. And never go out in public without wearing the ribbon on your chest.
This is why humour is such a danger to them because if humour can diffuse the subject matter, it will diminish their sense of martyrdom. It threatens the very foundation of their identity. Media coverage like this only supports and fuels that delusion."
lets vilify words, not thoughts. that is the logical thing to do right? if you dont use the word nigger or faggot then you obviously arent a racist or a homophobe. how else are you going to spot the racists, homophobes and misogynists? without such "bad, bad" words how else are you going to hate a person due to a stereotype based on them hating a person based on a stereotype?
Post by icantenough on Feb 7, 2011 16:30:23 GMT -5
lulzy... the "n-word" is replaced with "I am an idiot". that is kind of racist. i know lots of black rappers and black people that use that word and calling them all idiots is just wrong.
or maybe there is a button on this website that allows you to check your race which allows you to type it un-bleeped. im interested in seeing what else gets bleeped. kike .... negroid .... raghead .... cracker .... honky ....
For me, the word "f@g" is really hurtful, and I just can't be into an artist who tosses it around in his music like it's nothing. It's Leno like that that makes living in the US (or anywhere, really) an uncomfortable, hostile environment for those of us who identify as queer.
Regardless, I'm sure that if he headlines he'll draw a huge crowd... I just won't be in said crowd.
A word is a word. It only means what people prescribe to it. Most black people will find a certain racial slur very offensive coming from a KKK member, but that same racial slur coming from one of their friends may be completely acceptable.
To write off the likes of Eminem because you don't like a few words causes you to miss the bigger picture. If you listened closely to his messages they aren't of hating homosexuals or woman, regardless of what words he may use.
Again, i'm not even a huge fan of his but I just hate people writing him off because they think he's something that he isn't. If he truly ranted against homosexuals and women like you think he does then he wouldn't have the extremely large fan base that he has.
Post by kkrrissttinnaa on Feb 7, 2011 16:50:13 GMT -5
I'm kind of disappointed in some of you guys. As a linguist, I believe that words are VERY powerful, and the adage about sticks and stones is backwards. I hope there's more love at 'roo this year than I'm seeing here right now.
Post by icantenough on Feb 7, 2011 16:52:54 GMT -5
people enjoy being offended. it gives them a cause to be energetic about, passionate about. Do it so much and it eventually becomes directly related to feeling good, like a drug.... like Münchausen syndrome. there really should be a name for it. things that can never be talked about except in reverent tones: breast cancer (note, not all cancer, just breast cancer.... oh also, just breast cancer in women.... in men, its hilarious), rape, molestation, acknowledging any race besides Caucasian, eating disorders, mental illness, mental retardation and sexual preference.
what am i missing from that list.... it is way too short.
I'm kind of disappointed in some of you guys. As a linguist, I believe that words are VERY powerful, and the adage about sticks and stones is backwards. I hope there's more love at 'roo this year than I'm seeing here right now.
as a linguist you should be abhorred at the conversations such as:
"so like, um, like this guy was all like, pshhhh, and then i was like screw you dude, like who the fuck does he think he is? "
I'm kind of disappointed in some of you guys. As a linguist, I believe that words are VERY powerful, and the adage about sticks and stones is backwards. I hope there's more love at 'roo this year than I'm seeing here right now.
as a linguist you should be abhorred at the conversations such as:
"so like, um, like this guy was all like, pshhhh, and then i was like screw you dude, like who the quack does he think he is? "
luckily i never hear those at ROO
You can't be abhorred *at* something, only *by*, or just plain old abhorred. Also, I'm exiting this conversation, I don't like you very much.
Post by icantenough on Feb 7, 2011 17:41:48 GMT -5
ill go you one further, and say that either his sweat pants or headband will be baby blue. and he will grab his crotch. he may even swing his arms to and fro in a manner exemplifying what one should do with their hands if they happen to be in his presence.
His argument wasn't that "he grew up using it" so it's ok, it was that where he was from (And I'm sure a lot of guys will agree) that it wasn't used in the gay context. So like how black ppl can change the context of the n-word or your gay friends can change the context of the word, so have most guys.
Most of his music is not hateful and as proof I'll breakdown his singles catalog
"JustDon't Give A Quack" The song mocks the idea of being a rebellious rapper. "My Name Is.." Is one of the most self-deprecating songs ever, if anything it's suppose to make the listen glad they aren't him "Role Model" Is about how kids shouldn't look up to him as a role model and promotion of media literacy "Guilty Conscience" This song is a concept song between him and Dre trying to be good vs. evil. "The Real Slim Shady" This song is about everyone copying his style and how manufactured the music industry was becoming. I guess that's hateful but can't see too many disagreeing. "The Way I Am" Is all about how he can't deal with his new found fame. "Stan" A concept song about him talking to a crazed fan and explaining how his songs shouldn't be taken literally. "Without Me" Answering to his critics and making fun of how everyone is him to further themselves. Not really hating b/c he was answering back to attacks on him. "Cleanin' Out My Closet" Basically just breaking down everything from his past, not in a hateful way more in a therapeutic way. "Lose Yourself" Detailing how he felt starting out in rap battles in Detroit. "Superman" About relationships he's had with promiscuis women. Wouldn't say it's hateful b/c he mentions his faults as much as theirs. "Sing For The Moment" About the power hip hop has on people "Business" About how he's going to save hip hop "Just Lose It" Just a jokey song about how he's back with a new album "Mosh" A protest song about the Bush administration "Like Toy Soliders" A song asking to end all hip hop beefs before it goes too far "Mockingbird" A song to his family about how he's failed as a husband and father "Ass Like That" A song about he's fantasies with women "When I;m Gone" A song about how his career has effected his life and how his rap persona can sometimes go too far "Shake That" Pretty much the same as "Ass Like That" "You Don't Know" Just rap braggadocio "Jimmy Crack Corn" All about Jimmy Iovine "Crack A Bottle" Just rap braggadicio "We Made You" Him making fun of celebrity culture "3 a.m." A concept song about him as a serial killer and the psychological thinking behind it "Beautiful" A song about staying to yourself and doing what you want to do "Not Afraid" About standing up for youself similar to the previous song "Love The Way You Lie" A song about a dysfunctional relationship "No Love" About the disappointments in life
Personally speaking not really a career full of hate. It's just that the hate stands out more than anything and gets overstated
i don't know if i hate eminem more because he looks and sounds like the biggest prick or if its the white trash white guys who talk and act like they're a different race who are so drawn to his music
a lot of that (second part) is due tp the area people grew up in or the people they hang around..........like Em for I.e.