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I just think it's wrong on many different levels. and i read a comment where someone said it was better and more appropriate than the Tori Amos cover. i'm guess they were deaf and musically challenged
Listen to "Fell on Black Days" by Soundgarden. That song to me embodies the grunge movement better than anything out there.
Are you serious? One of Soundgardens most pop tracks you think embodies the grunge movement?
Dude, listen to the lyrics or look them up.Some profound stuff when it applies to Gen-X. Plus, the sound of the music is very stark and hollow. It provides great texture and really brings out the somber feeling in the lyrics. "How will I know, that this could be my fate!", great part of the song sung tremendously from Cornell.
And dude just because it is successful, does not mean it makes it pop. Pop in the early 90's was Madonna, New Kids on the Block, and Milli Vanilli. Don't associate Soundgarden with that garbage.
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John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
I'm not referring to Pop as a genre, I'm referring to it as catchy mainstream music with hooks which is what that song is. Because something has a poppy sound or is mainstream does not make me like it anyless.
I don't need to look that song up, I was 15 and in love with Soundgarden when that album was released..I know it very well. All that I am saying is, that I do not agree in anyway that that particular song embodies grunge...to me it was showing us more where the grunge sound was headed ie Creed and Nickelback.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
I'm not referring to Pop as a genre, I'm referring to it as catchy mainstream music with hooks which is what that song is. Because something has a poppy sound or is mainstream does not make me like it anyless.
I don't need to look that song up, I was 15 and in love with Soundgarden when that album was released..I know it very well. All that I am saying is, that I do not agree in anyway that that particular song embodies grunge...to me it was showing us more where the grunge sound was headed ie Creed and Nickelback.
I could go on a diatribe about how the song talks about how grunge was a rebellion against material excess and how grunge started to become that excess the movement hated. Or that hippee ideals have been lost during this period "Hands are for shaking, no not tying" or "Just when everyday seemed to greet me with a smile, sunspots now have faded". It also talks about how rock'n'roll started to fall into a dark place during grunge and was questioning whether it could get back up again. "I fell on black days/ How would I know/ That this could be my fate?"
I'm a very headstrong person that will support my claims, so I don't like to concede.
Post by itrainmonkeys on May 3, 2011 16:35:01 GMT -5
This thread makes me think of this song:
hey, hey my, my rock n roll will never die just hang your hair down in your eyes you'll make a million dollars
well, i was in this band goin' nowhere fast we sent out demos but everybody passed so one day, we finally took the plunge moved out to seattle to play some grunge washington state, that is... space needle, eddie vedder mudhoney
now to fit in fast, we wear flannel shirts we turn our amps up until it hurts we've got bad attitudes and what's more when we play, we stare straight down at the floor wowee! pretty scary how pensive how totally alternative
now to fit in on the seattle scene you've got to do something they ain't never seen so thinkin' up a gimmick one day we decided to be the only band that wouldn't play a note under any circumstances silence... music's original alternative roots grunge
well, we spread the word through the underground that we were the hottest new thing in town the record guy came out to see us one day and just like always, we didn't play it knocked him out he said he loved our work he said he loved our work, but he wasn't sure if he could sell a record with nothing on it i said, 'tell 'em we're from seattle' he advanced us two and a half million dollars
hey, hey my, my rock n roll will never die just hang your hair down in your eyes you'll make a million dollars
well, they made us do a video, but that wasn't tough cos we just filmed ourselves smashing stuff it's kind of weird cos there was no music but mtv said they'd love to use it the kids went wild, the kids went nuts rolling stone gave us a five-star review said we played with guts
we're scoring chicks, taking drugs then we got asked to play mtv unplugged you should have seen it we went right out there and refused to do acoustical versions of the electrical songs that we had refused to record in the first place then we smashed our shit
well, we blew 'em away at the grammys show by refusing to play and refusing to go and then just when we thought fame would last forever along came this band that wasn't even together now that's alternative now that's alternative to alternative i feel stupid... and contagious
well, our band got dropped and that ain't funny cos we're all hooked on drugs but we're outta money so the other day, i called up the band i said, 'boys, i've taken all i can shave off your goatees, pack the van we're going back to athens'
For the record - I'm a Nirvana fan.....I just love that song by Todd Snider
"Teen spirit" dropped my junior year of high school. I remember at the time being kind of alarmed at the tags being put on Kurt Cobain, "voice of a generation", "John Lennon of Gen X", etc., because he seemed to embody such an incredibly weary, defeated persona. There was always a quality of hopelessness in his work that in the end reflected upon serious clinical depression he was having. And then when he died that entire decade, and my generation, just got kind of swallowed up as the mopey, downer, navel-gazing Generation that couldn't get out of its own way--a kind of death of idealism thing which I thought was total B.S. and still do.
In a way Cobain's life arc can be juxtaposed to Dylan's. After Dylan got saddled with the label "voice of a generation" he rejected it by going electric, discovered that his classic mid-60s albums were only perpetuating and deepening his mystical, guru-like persona, and then suddenly he has a terrible motorcycle accident that has long been rumored to have been a suicide attempt (no way of knowing for sure). And when he comes back he has completely reinvented himself, puts out country albums, changes his singing style completely, and sheds the label completely once and for all (well, maybe not completely, but it doesn't fit quite the way it did say around 1966). To this day if you see him live he frustrates your expectations--plays electric piano rather than guitar, reinterprets his songs, doesn't play his early folk numbers, all so that he can remain vital to himself.
Kurt could never conceive of a way out of the box the media made for him. I really think had he lived and matured the early stuff might have been relegated to the back burner of his legacy. The songs are quality, don't get me wrong, but they seem to hit the same note: Vectorless Malaise. His only trenchant critique was that capitalist society makes a mockery of all authentic underground movements by capturing and exploting them for material gain. But that is a really old story that has been told over and over again.
I really wish he could have found a way out like Dylan did and then maybe "Nirvana=90s" wouldn't be such an ironclad association.
While I don't agree with everything you said, this is a quality post. Fridays for you, my friend.
And for the record, I don't think anything Soundgarden ever produced could embody the "grunge" era or the 1990s in general. Of course, personal conjectures and whatnot.
I haven't had anything to do with it because, in my opinion- a. Courtney Love is a trash-hoe cunt, and b. it has, literally, nothing going for it. I'm moreso talking about the actual release and not the music, here. I haven't talked to many people about it.
Nirvana's great. They absolutely deserve legendary status. Nevermind still holds up today as a stone-cold classic. It may have triggered the explosion of the grunge movement (like it or not) but in doing so they brought general attention to music as a whole. Kurt's suicide shouldn't tarnish their records and live performances, especially Unplugged, which is one of the best live documentations of a band's music and vision.