Draper is a womanizing booze hound whose entire life is a lie. I love the character, but he's about as chauvinistic as any single television personality ever. People either love his character or hate it, mainly because they either sympathize with a guy who has been running his entire life and never been truly happy or they hate the guy who doesn't mind stepping on a few people to get what he needs. He's only slightly hatable, and I take that middle ground to basically mean they're like most other people (some likable and some hatable qualities), but he's certainly not a good guy.
I will say I've only just now finished the 2nd season, so I could be missing big pieces of his character. I see how he could be unlikeable, but I don't think he's bad. You can definitely tell at times that he does have morals, does love his family, does regret his actions, etc. I can look pass the chauvinism mostly because they set up EVERY MALE CHARACTER to be that way. At least Don was cool enough to do some nice things for people along with all the BS. I can say that the only character I truly hate from the entire show up to this point is Pete. F*ck that guy.
The first 2 seasons are the honeymoon period with Mr. Draper. He's awesome, he makes you want to go out and buy some Lucky Strikes and some bourbon, he's the ultimate ladies man...but trust me, the facade wears off and he turns into a character just as screwed up as any other.
Haha, everyone hates Pete initially. He ends up being one of the best characters in the show, if not the best.
I kind of hate Sansa because she's just so vapid- I just want to shake her and say, "what is wrong with you?" pretty much throughout, at least in the books. although I do feel sorry for her, it's harder to view her as an unfortunate victim since she sought out the lifestyle, albeit naively. she does redeem herself somewhat though, later on. Joffrey definitely outranks her though, IMO, because he's both sadistic and somehow absurd; if he wasn't King he would be laughable, but because he is, his petulance has an avenue of actual expression with serious consequences.
I think there is a certain difficulty in rating the both of them due to their age. You can say much of the problem with both of them is kind of due to their upbringing. Sansa was very sheltered and got filled with the literary idea of what a princess is without any connection to real life difficulties. Joffrey has always been Cersei's favorite, so she spoiled the living f*ck out of him. Add to that, you take a 15ish year old kid and basically take away all consequence, and bad things are generally going to happen.
true. if my 15-year-old self had been ruler of the free world, oh boy. I already thought I was smarter than everyone I knew and totally had everything figured out. I was such an asshole. so, okay. point conceded.
I kind of hate Sansa because she's just so vapid- I just want to shake her and say, "what is wrong with you?" pretty much throughout, at least in the books. although I do feel sorry for her, it's harder to view her as an unfortunate victim since she sought out the lifestyle, albeit naively. she does redeem herself somewhat though, later on.
"sought out the lifestyle" = wanting to marry a young prince.
"sought out the lifestyle" =/= wanting to be beaten, raped, forced to watch her dad's head get cut off, beaten some more, tricked, forced to marry her worst nightmare, attacked, forced to stomach bad-mouthing her beloved sibling so she wouldn't get a mace to the temple, ridiculed, humiliated, and living in a state of perpetual fear because if you speak out, act out or even look at certain people the wrong way they will chop your head off.
I think people are far too harsh on Sansa, she's had to stomach the literary equivalent of her own, personal holocaust and they're mad because she's boring/useless/whatever. She's a woman so she's not valued as highly (in the story setting, not my personal view), she can't fight, she isn't conniving, she's just a beautiful girl who is one of the few people who are "good."
a lot of that is true, and I'm not saying she deserved every- or even any- bad thing that happened to her. but she stayed on voluntarily at first, even after seeing the truth of Joffrey's character, and I'm just thinking, if that were me, I would run or die. but who knows, we all do what we have to do in order to survive. (also, I did say that she chose that lifestyle "naively." and that she redeems herself later, so I gave her some credit.) I just have a low threshold for weakness of that nature I suppose. I have obviously never been in a situation where my mettle has been tested to that degree, but I'd like to think my personal convictions would compel me to speak up no matter the cost. I wouldn't want to save my life if it meant losing my soul.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Jul 9, 2013 14:54:43 GMT -5
I mean it does make for a dreaded camera angle, plus that thing wouldnt even make it through the door at comic-con, but is that a seat for the King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm....I F'ing think so!
Post by Roo'adelphia on Jul 9, 2013 15:00:42 GMT -5
Side Note: The 1 thing I wish translated to the show were the battles. Lady Cat's party and their travels through the moon mountains, the battle with Tywin and the Northmen, the battle where Rob scoops Jamie. All of those are cut and Tyrion getting bonked on the head and just blacking out was the worst of it. The battle of Blackwater was awesome although I didnt read that yet I know its a little different which means probably less awesome.(In the show then the Book.
Side Side Note: You ever notice how detailed Georgey gets when talking about food? He can do a 3/4 page aside on what Hodor broke his fast on.