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just so happens the group that doesn't like him are mods or friends of mods and they have done him in. that part doesn't really seem fair because there are other people that troll or act like jerkstores on the board and nothing is done to them. it's all in who you know and hangout with really.
I have stayed out of this so you guys could talk it all out. But this is just not true. Especially the last sentence. A lot happens that you do not see.
Yet it is in this loneliness that the deepest activities begin. It is here that you discover act without motion, labor that is profound repose, vision in obscurity, and, beyond all desire, a fulfillment whose limits extend to infinity.
~ Thomas Merton ~
So then tell us what happened. If Emoney did something that deserved banning and you tell us what it is this will all go away (It's probably all going to go away next time Adam logs in anyways[don't worry we probably still have a few days]).
just so happens the group that doesn't like him are mods or friends of mods and they have done him in. that part doesn't really seem fair because there are other people that troll or act like smurfs on the board and nothing is done to them. it's all in who you know and hangout with really.
I have stayed out of this so you guys could talk it all out. But this is just not true. Especially the last sentence. A lot happens that you do not see.
that's just how it appears to those that are not "behind the scenes". as far as being an ass to people on the board i don't think emoney is any worse than anyone else. jess is pretty bad sometimes. juggs has been our neighborhood loveable troll forever and people just accept him for that. my stance is no one really deserves to be banned here. that's just my opinion of it.
I have stayed out of this so you guys could talk it all out. But this is just not true. Especially the last sentence. A lot happens that you do not see.
that's just how it appears to those that are not "behind the scenes". as far as being an ass to people on the board i don't think emoney is any worse than anyone else. jess is pretty bad sometimes. juggs has been our neighborhood loveable troll forever and people just accept him for that. my stance is no one really deserves to be banned here. that's just my opinion of it.
I dispute any notion of trolling, and consider your accustions of the same scurrilous and unfounded. I antagonize, but it's almost always within the context of an actual opinion (or in response to some sort of ignorance). Something that people need to consider is that just because someone's opinions or posts make you personally angry or upset does not necessarily make them trolls.
Radiohead, prince, muse, chili peppers, etc...and they are lucky if they get 1 mill, but they normally only get 500 k
then you have third tier : snoop, dre, J z...they get 100 k
then you have 4th tier : black keys, munford byoncee, Prince etcc: they get 50k
Post by Funky Munky on Mar 5, 2012 11:43:35 GMT -5
A huge part of the reason I love this board is the dissent. Once we all start agreeing I'll go somewhere else. I already know what I like and have no interest in being around a bunch of people that agree with me all the time. As a matter of practice I only hire people that disagree with me or are smarter than me. Getting rid of either, for other than egregious violations, seems contrary to the basic premise of this entire board, which I understand to be discussion, debate and information sharing related to Roo and music.
that's just how it appears to those that are not "behind the scenes". as far as being an ass to people on the board i don't think emoney is any worse than anyone else. jess is pretty bad sometimes. juggs has been our neighborhood loveable troll forever and people just accept him for that. my stance is no one really deserves to be banned here. that's just my opinion of it.
I dispute any notion of trolling, and consider your accustions of the same scurrilous and unfounded. I antagonize, but it's almost always within the context of an actual opinion (or in response to some sort of ignorance). Something that people need to consider is that just because someone's opinions or posts make you personally angry or upset does not necessarily make them trolls.
nothing you ever said made me angry. so i'm not speaking from that position. you intentionally try to get a rise out of people and that's trolling to me. but i don't have a problem with you at all.
nothing you ever said made me angry. so i'm not speaking from that position. you intentionally try to get a rise out of people and that's trolling to me. but i don't have a problem with you at all.
Oh, I don't think you did. I just think that's something that people need to realize. Lots of people on here get a rise out of others, but its an incidental part of their posting - and that includes Jess, me, NoD, E Money, and a ton of others. The point is that it's incidental (for the most part, I'll concede). There are people on here who post absolutely nothing of value, just anger and hate and ignorance and personal attacks, and they're still around. Hell, BBurton86 (now Jello Biafra) hasn't really ever posted anything of value, and pretty much just shows up and b*tches. Far as I can tell, nobody's ever given him the boot despite the fact that he takes a giant dump in every thread he posts in. Same with PJBuckeye and a host of others. Nicthedic85 posts ignorant, inflammatory, derogatory, homophobic and semi-racist sh*t all over, and he's still kicking.
The point is, there are trolls, and then there are people who generally post decent sh*t but occasionally will post to just piss off one person, or a couple people, or whatever. There's a huge difference.
Radiohead, prince, muse, chili peppers, etc...and they are lucky if they get 1 mill, but they normally only get 500 k
then you have third tier : snoop, dre, J z...they get 100 k
then you have 4th tier : black keys, munford byoncee, Prince etcc: they get 50k
Juggs, not sure how you left our favorite poster out of your comment, but since you did..
What about Sproat? The guy picks fights with posters, cyber stalks them, and even threatens some with physical harm. He has genuinely ban-able behavior but he's allowed free reign because he starts so many super-sweet threads!!
Emoney just makes fun of things in text and photos, Sproat tries to physically intimidate inforoosters to the point of genuine fear, but thanks for that Wooks vs. Brahs thread!
Radiohead, prince, muse, chili peppers, etc...and they are lucky if they get 1 mill, but they normally only get 500 k
then you have third tier : snoop, dre, J z...they get 100 k
then you have 4th tier : black keys, munford byoncee, Prince etcc: they get 50k
I just took like 5 minutes and re-read the old Sproat v. Flanzo debate from last year and it's just as tremendous now as it was then.
I like to think of that as my own version of Doc Gooden's 1985 season. Limitless potential, hasn't quite figured out how to control god-given gifts, and working more off of emotion than know-how.
I think my posting style has rounded out nicely since that blunt-force weapon that I was in that interaction.
What a spectacular meltdown.
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all i can gather from this is that sometimes we need antagonists and 'trolls' just to keep this place interesting and amusing. Sure they can be jerkstores but they are a means of entertainment whether we admit it or not. If we all acted civil and kind all the time this board would be really boring.
Most of us are pretty bummed out that Emoney is gone, but I don't think its right of us to take out our frustration on the mods. As Gibran and Aquarium both said, they're just doing their jobs and responding to a slew of complaints. Something specific must have happened to condone an indefinite banning, at least something more than just the usual antagonizing and arguing, no matter what person or group of people it was with. We probably won't know and it's really not our business to know.
As juggs said there is a big difference between being an antagonist that just argues within the context of a bold opinion, (juggs, flanzo, emoney, and LOADS of others) and an outright prick who posts insulting racist and homophobic slurs like that guy with the wook avatar (can't remember if it was wookiemonster or icantenough or both). But I do put my faith in the mods that when they ban a longtime poster like emoney or neighborhood creep, that there was indeed something serious behind-the-scenes going on, at least more-so than just occasional antagonistic behavior.
So yeah it's obviously not the mods who are to blame, they are just exercising discretion like anyone with any sense of authority does. If anyone is to blame its the anonymous people who complain over harmless jeering and get butthurt over some internet jest. In my opinion the only things that should constitute a ban is prejudice in the form of racism, sexism, and homophobia, and outright threats. And I guess pornography as well.
So yeah point is that Emoney was as flanzo said "someone that makes fun of things" while icantenough and wookiemonster were ignorant, backwards racists. I feel like 'pushing buttons' isn't banworthy and if you really take offense to something like that to the point where you are requesting a ban on someone, well then you're just a panda really. This isn't Bonnaroo, this is Inforoo, a message board first and foremost no matter what it's for. If you can't take passive aggressive jests, you probably shouldn't be posting. Just my opinion.
I am going to go ahead and I say I trust the judgement of our moderators to know the difference between a bunch of people reporting someone for no reason, and someone being reported for objectionable behavior. All these guys are smart enough to take context into account.
What context might that be? The "I don't like his posts so I'm going to complain about them" context?
And I'm not questioning the mods, just the process. Complaints = headaches, so headaches get banned?
Emoney had a legitimate suggestion (that you can turn off viewing karma points for other users, not just turn off your own) and then got banned for presenting it in a non-rainbows-and-sunshine manner.
And I'm not sure why you're linking to something NoD "did" to prove a point, either. So, after Phi posted about Skrillex in every thread for weeks/months, he decides he can just throw down boundaries and people have to adhere to them? NoD is just as crazy for thinking he can have the same thing, only in the opposite direction. Using that thread as a barometer of any kind of rational argument is like citing Rick Santorum as your barometer for rational discussions about female rights.
Lol @ me posting about Skrillex in every thread for weeks/months. You are delusional bro.
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It was a colorful exaggeration but you pointing that out doesn't negate the fact that you DID post in the "no skrillex/mau5" thread ABOUT Skrillex many, many, many, many, many times, bro.
Of course I did. But 90% of the time I was engaging in an already ongoing conversation, and then after people realized I was a fan of Skrillex, they engaged me. Go back and read the thread.
Some of you people are really blowing shiz out of proportion.
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August 2-4th - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
September 27-29th - Atlanta, GA - TomorrowWorld
October 25-27th - Asheville, NC - Mountain Oasis
Radiohead, prince, muse, chili peppers, etc...and they are lucky if they get 1 mill, but they normally only get 500 k
then you have third tier : snoop, dre, J z...they get 100 k
then you have 4th tier : black keys, munford byoncee, Prince etcc: they get 50k
Of course I did. But 90% of the time I was engaging in an already ongoing conversation, and then after people realized I was a fan of Skrillex, they engaged me. Go back and read the thread.
And emoney did, what, exactly? Engaging in an already ongoing conversation, no? How is this different than what you did?
Lol @ me posting about Skrillex in every thread for weeks/months. You are delusional bro.
I was admittedly exaggerating. But you yourself have admitted that annoying other posters is in fact "success" to you. What you did to the No Skrillex thread is no different than what emoney did to the "say nice things about Skrillex without posting any photos of him" thread that you started.
Some of you people are really blowing poop out of proportion.
Okay, picture what your reaction would be if Jess was banned. I doubt you would be silent on the issue, am I correct in believing this? That's why people are "blowing it out of proportion." Because they feel it's unjust, just as you'd feel it was unjust if Jess got banned.
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Ironic title for this thread considering the turn it took.
I just want to say that I hope emoney gets to come back. There are a lot of posts that make me cringe (not just emoney's) but that's free speech. I don't remember reading him posting about a fire in a crowded theater. I can see banning people that only want to pick fights but that's not what he was doing from my perspective. I have to admit I do find some of the snarky exchanges (again not just emoney's) pretty entertaining and most of them don't escalate to much.
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