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Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
Of course I do not know your mother or how she raised you I am blank slate on that, I am just saying your abject lack of manners is surprising.
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Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
Jess accusing someone of making "snarky-ass" comments...classic.
Look, he made a comment you took personal so he clarifies exactly what he meant and you still insist on perpetuating the argument. It seems clear to me you have no desire to put this to rest. Why don't both of you just use the handy little function we have called the ignore button and move on?
Yet it is in this loneliness that the deepest activities begin. It is here that you discover act without motion, labor that is profound repose, vision in obscurity, and, beyond all desire, a fulfillment whose limits extend to infinity.
~ Thomas Merton ~
Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
I can agree with this. I probably could have used some other way to get at what I was saying.
Nod, I did not like your original post when you made it, and quite frankly, would probably have upset me as well. That being said, you clarified what you had intended the post to say and he still will not bury the hatchet. That was all I getting at. :-)
Yet it is in this loneliness that the deepest activities begin. It is here that you discover act without motion, labor that is profound repose, vision in obscurity, and, beyond all desire, a fulfillment whose limits extend to infinity.
~ Thomas Merton ~
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i really am not trying to keep this going, honestly i was just in a terrible mood yesterday and seeing everyone gang on up jess (and let's be real, it's not like i'm this person who goes around supporting him) set me off.
but noD it would really help (IMO) if you wouldn't do things like say "arguments". i mean...did you really have to use ""?? my opinions are just as valid as your's (and often the same!).
just saying....you could lighten up on the patronizing shiz.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
Jess accusing someone of making "snarky-ass" comments...classic.
Look, he made a comment you took personal so he clarifies exactly what he meant and you still insist on perpetuating the argument. It seems clear to me you have no desire to put this to rest. Why don't both of you just use the handy little function we have called the ignore button and move on?
Sorry but I stil take it as an attack, if he had made that remark on here who had kids we would not even be having this discussion.
Jess accusing someone of making "snarky-ass" comments...classic.
Look, he made a comment you took personal so he clarifies exactly what he meant and you still insist on perpetuating the argument. It seems clear to me you have no desire to put this to rest. Why don't both of you just use the handy little function we have called the ignore button and move on?
Sorry but I stil take it as an attack, if he had made that remark on here who had kids we would not even be having this discussion.
He did not threaten you in any way. At worst he was rude, but he tried to clarify what he meant with a very plausible explanation. What do you want Jess? Nobody is going to make him apologize, I think his clarification makes sense, considering the context of his original comment. You can be mad I guess. So I suppose we will just have to follow you two around in every thread as you make snarky comments towards each other. So be it, I guess that is our job.
Yet it is in this loneliness that the deepest activities begin. It is here that you discover act without motion, labor that is profound repose, vision in obscurity, and, beyond all desire, a fulfillment whose limits extend to infinity.
~ Thomas Merton ~
Post by abrakapokus on Jul 22, 2012 23:16:28 GMT -5
As a parent I'd be HIGHLY offended and outraged if someone referenced my kids and what I like to do in my free time in the same post. Free time being that fraction of my life that I get to spend away from spending all my energy raising my kids. I feel it was absolutely a dig at Jess' parenting and maybe you who don't have kids can't see that clearly. That "clarification" is nothing but back peddling in my eyes and I don't see how NoD's would convey to the reader that his age was the point and not his parenting. It isn't as if NoD has a hard time expressing his thoughts with clarity in any of his other posts.
I do not wish to get into this whole NoD/Jess malarky fight. Had it been between poster X and Y, I would feel the same way and write a response. My post isn't to take sides with either of these men but to take a side of an argument and give my opinion.
I would certainly expect an apology and perhaps people will not speak about parenting, which is the hardest job on the planet, and their preconceived notions of that job and one's free time.
Post by nodepression on Jul 23, 2012 0:07:03 GMT -5
I obviously hit a nerve here that I should have just avoided.
I don't think I've been backpedalling, and I don't think I've really needed to clarify the original wording. Whether or not anybody thinks I was attacking his parenting or not, I wasn't. I honestly can't imagine any reason why I would do that. It was just a dig at how old he was, and how that didn't really mesh with him drinking beers in his buddies moving car on Christmas handing out PBR's to the homeless.
That's really not the same as going to a bar, or drinking with friends on a porch or something, so I don't see how it was an indictment of a parent's free time while you have a sitter. It's handing out beers to the homeless while getting drunk in a car.
Please no. While not the intended purpose isn't a thread to take arguments to from other threads a pretty useful thing? Especially since you aren't responded to the other grievances
April 12-14th - Indio, CA - Coachella Weekend 1
May 3-5th - Memphis, TN - Beale St. Music Festival
June 13-16th - Manchester, TN - Bonnaroo
July 12-14th - Louisville, KY - Forecastle Festival
August 2-4th - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
September 27-29th - Atlanta, GA - TomorrowWorld
October 25-27th - Asheville, NC - Mountain Oasis
April 12-14th - Indio, CA - Coachella Weekend 1
May 3-5th - Memphis, TN - Beale St. Music Festival
June 13-16th - Manchester, TN - Bonnaroo
July 12-14th - Louisville, KY - Forecastle Festival
August 2-4th - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
September 27-29th - Atlanta, GA - TomorrowWorld
October 25-27th - Asheville, NC - Mountain Oasis
While not the intended purpose isn't a thread to take arguments to from other threads a pretty useful thing?
This is sort of my thinking on the matter. I like the idea of a place where people can take a strong personal (not general)disagreement that is no longer relevant to the thread topic. This one got ugly fast in the thread from which it sprang!
If I'm interpreting it right this thread, Airing of Grievances, was started as a place where posters could voice concerns/complaint/or general beefs they have have with moderators or their decisions. It's an important thread to have. Maybe you folks could sticky a thread on the washboard or make a subsection. Heh, you could call it The Halon 1301 Room (where flames come to be frittated).
While not the intended purpose isn't a thread to take arguments to from other threads a pretty useful thing?
This is sort of my thinking on the matter. I like the idea of a place where people can take a strong personal (not general)disagreement that is no longer relevant to the thread topic. This one got ugly fast in the thread from which it sprang!
I tend to agree. Maybe in the future if an argument needs to be taken out of the original thread it makes more sense to start a new thread (instead of this specific one). That's what the Washboard is here for. Airing your problems/dirty laundry if that stuff should come up.
So even if this thread ends up being locked by somebody.....the Washboard can still be the place to bring an argument/problem so we can keep regular threads as clean as possible.
Post by The Original Wolfman Jess on Jul 24, 2012 21:33:41 GMT -5
Well what to say for my last post? It has been a lot of fun but I am not going to continue to hang out in a arena where going after peoples kids is cool. Also as usual thanks to everyone who sent me Pm's and I completely understand no one wanting to get in the middle of this, after all who wants to have every post they make stalked by the two biggest jerkstores and their posse on here so they can criticize your every move. It has been a fun couple of years and I hope you guys have a blast whatever you do except for Juggs who I kind of wish would choke to death on a dick.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jul 24, 2012 21:37:14 GMT -5
Jess, you are a valuable member here and I enjoy your contributions, but it's almost like you are asking the powers that be to pick a side. I hope that you do not stay gone long.