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Post by awolfthedoor on Jul 21, 2012 0:26:06 GMT -5
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I have done nothing but respond in an honest, un-biased, with respect to the speaker, manner to all of your points in that thread. And I get this:
How does
do you think there are no forces, outside of the immediate fear, at work to make the boy thinking he needed to resort to bring a knife to protect himself?
no the problem here is you guys never want to hear anything that is different from your own opinion.
What are you talking about? You weren't voicing your opinion. You came into a discussion that had to do with jess and nodpression and started lumping Juggs into it and making it about them thinking they are better than everyone else. It came out of nowhere and quite honestly confused me.
but you still insulted me and quoting a bunch of my posts doesn't make it any different.
noD has made his judgements about my life very clear before, so pardon me if i am a little sensitive when i see him doing it to others. especially when it's none of his quacking business.
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Post by awolfthedoor on Jul 21, 2012 0:39:33 GMT -5
Sorry if my posts in this thread were at all unclear. I'm not involved with the NoD v. Jess situation. I don't care to comment on what you feel is the systemic sexism on this board.
I just wanted to clear up whatever is the cause for animosity in the Dark Knight thread. I didn't feel my posts justified your reaction.
the only animosity i have towards you in the dark knight thread is when you say what i have to contribute is irrelevant. especially when, for once i am on subject.
past grievances have no part in whatever you are feeling there. i already told you i'm over that shit.
do you think there are no forces, outside of the immediate fear, at work to make the boy thinking he needed to resort to bring a knife to protect himself?
and I do not see how this is relevant to the larger discussion of a lack of biological determinism in violence in our culture
we weren't even talking about that in the first place. we were talking about whether or not we are desensitized b/c of our exposure. i said that IMO people are violent b/c they have no other ways to get done what they need to and when they see violence all the time, then they believe its an acceptable outcome.
ITM said he disagreed, violence is in our "nature". to which i responded that it is generally more in men's nature to be violent. WHICH IS TRUE.
and it IS in women's nature to be more emotional. so WHAT. that doesn't mean women can't be violent and men can't be emotional. stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and generalizations are made b/c things GENERALLY happen to be true. its what you do with those stereotypes and generalizations after they are made. if i went around not trusting every man b/c men GENERALLY tend to be more violent, then that would be ridiculous of me.
Post by awolfthedoor on Jul 21, 2012 1:12:45 GMT -5
see that's what I was wanting. I wasn't dismissing what you were saying I just didn't see the connection between your assertion that people resort to violence because they see no other way out and the biological determinist view that man= violence. and if you'd like to take the rest of the discussion back to that thread, then that might be fun and what I was hoping for
Well he's obviously mature enough to raise his kids, so its kind of ridiculous to try and tell him how irresponsible he is.
I feel like this post is interpreted as me feeling that NoD attacked Jess' parenting skills. I want to say for the record, that I do not feel that way. I do think that Juggs and especially NoD commented with the sole purpose of ragging on Jess and pissing him off, which they seem to love to do. And Jess plays into it way too much, instead of just ignoring them, and I feel these last two pages are a perfect example of that. However, I don't think NoD was calling Jess a bad parent, or criticizing his parenting skills at all.
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Well this just turned into something else entirely. Something WONDERFUL.
I don't see it that way.
It breaks my heart to see everyone raging at each other in this manner. I can only contribute it to the animosity, fear, anger, and helplessness that are in the cosmic atmosphere from these shootings.
Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
Of course I do not know your mother or how she raised you I am blank slate on that, I am just saying your abject lack of manners is surprising.
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Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
Jess accusing someone of making "snarky-ass" comments...classic.
Look, he made a comment you took personal so he clarifies exactly what he meant and you still insist on perpetuating the argument. It seems clear to me you have no desire to put this to rest. Why don't both of you just use the handy little function we have called the ignore button and move on?
Yea, I think my wording made it pretty clear I wasn't saying this.
Jess, speaking to you directly now. I do not think you're a bad parent, I have no idea of your circumstances at all. I am a blank slate concerning all knowledge of your parenting skills. There is nothing on that slate, for I have no opinion.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
I can agree with this. I probably could have used some other way to get at what I was saying.
Nod, I did not like your original post when you made it, and quite frankly, would probably have upset me as well. That being said, you clarified what you had intended the post to say and he still will not bury the hatchet. That was all I getting at. :-)
i really am not trying to keep this going, honestly i was just in a terrible mood yesterday and seeing everyone gang on up jess (and let's be real, it's not like i'm this person who goes around supporting him) set me off.
but noD it would really help (IMO) if you wouldn't do things like say "arguments". i mean...did you really have to use ""?? my opinions are just as valid as your's (and often the same!).
just saying....you could lighten up on the patronizing shit.
Then do not bring my kids into your snarky-ass comments, I dont reference your mother when it comes to how you were raised and your lack of manners after all.
Jess accusing someone of making "snarky-ass" comments...classic.
Look, he made a comment you took personal so he clarifies exactly what he meant and you still insist on perpetuating the argument. It seems clear to me you have no desire to put this to rest. Why don't both of you just use the handy little function we have called the ignore button and move on?
Sorry but I stil take it as an attack, if he had made that remark on here who had kids we would not even be having this discussion.
Jess accusing someone of making "snarky-ass" comments...classic.
Look, he made a comment you took personal so he clarifies exactly what he meant and you still insist on perpetuating the argument. It seems clear to me you have no desire to put this to rest. Why don't both of you just use the handy little function we have called the ignore button and move on?
Sorry but I stil take it as an attack, if he had made that remark on here who had kids we would not even be having this discussion.
He did not threaten you in any way. At worst he was rude, but he tried to clarify what he meant with a very plausible explanation. What do you want Jess? Nobody is going to make him apologize, I think his clarification makes sense, considering the context of his original comment. You can be mad I guess. So I suppose we will just have to follow you two around in every thread as you make snarky comments towards each other. So be it, I guess that is our job.
Post by abrakapokus on Jul 22, 2012 23:16:28 GMT -5
As a parent I'd be HIGHLY offended and outraged if someone referenced my kids and what I like to do in my free time in the same post. Free time being that fraction of my life that I get to spend away from spending all my energy raising my kids. I feel it was absolutely a dig at Jess' parenting and maybe you who don't have kids can't see that clearly. That "clarification" is nothing but back peddling in my eyes and I don't see how NoD's would convey to the reader that his age was the point and not his parenting. It isn't as if NoD has a hard time expressing his thoughts with clarity in any of his other posts.
I do not wish to get into this whole NoD/Jess bullshit fight. Had it been between poster X and Y, I would feel the same way and write a response. My post isn't to take sides with either of these men but to take a side of an argument and give my opinion.
I would certainly expect an apology and perhaps people will not speak about parenting, which is the hardest job on the planet, and their preconceived notions of that job and one's free time.
Post by nodepression on Jul 23, 2012 0:07:03 GMT -5
I obviously hit a nerve here that I should have just avoided.
I don't think I've been backpedalling, and I don't think I've really needed to clarify the original wording. Whether or not anybody thinks I was attacking his parenting or not, I wasn't. I honestly can't imagine any reason why I would do that. It was just a dig at how old he was, and how that didn't really mesh with him drinking beers in his buddies moving car on Christmas handing out PBR's to the homeless.
That's really not the same as going to a bar, or drinking with friends on a porch or something, so I don't see how it was an indictment of a parent's free time while you have a sitter. It's handing out beers to the homeless while getting drunk in a car.
Please no. While not the intended purpose isn't a thread to take arguments to from other threads a pretty useful thing? Especially since you aren't responded to the other grievances