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If I was trying to rally everyone around Phi your theory would make more sense. But it's not really that interesting that both him and mike d voted for me when there were several other more vocal people who wanted Phi dead.
To be clear, it's not so much of a theory as just trying to think like the mafia would. I agree, I don't really think there is a correlation between Mike and Phi voting for you. Just pointing it out. People usually end up dead for two reasons. They pissed off/scare the mafia or they are being used by the mafia.
I had almost no involvement over getting him voted off other than that I really didn't have my head in the game round one (you can look around, I didn't post much on any of the boards here for the past week, i've been crazy busy) and I sure as hell didn't even know that they had both voted for me at one point.
No, you didn't have much active involvement in getting him voted off. I don't think anyone would say that you did.
My only point and my vote is entirely based on the fact that Mike was whacked for a reason.
A little early to be worried about a runoff, no? Makes me think you would be happy with the two of us in one for some reason. Interesting.
Seems like you're kind of grasping at straws there, guy. It's not really that early to be worried about a runoff? I'm never into the idea of putting someone up to 3-1 unless I'm dead sure that they are mafia.
My point was there are several people that haven't even voted. We are a good while away from a runoof. You know exactly what I was getting at earlier. The odds are very high that you or Kiko (Who you conveniently decide to claim as most suspicious to you) are mafia. So trying to move things towards a runoff with him and I saves your on butt.
Edit: wording
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After reading through the thread, I think Mike D got killed over 1 of 3 people: NoAge, Kiko or MC. NoAge for the protracted explanation for his voting partner. Seems strange to encourage a stack in round 1, but it is voting partners. However, since he took up Kiko's challenge in Day 2, I think it is more likely that NoAge is a townie than not, since a mafia member likely would not volunteer to take a vote.
Kiko since Mike D kept coming back to Kiko, and for his dogged vigilance on Phi's behalf. It was strange the level of defense Kiko was giving Phi unless they were mafia together. As SFA said, he may just be inexperienced or he may be playing that card.
MC for all the reasons laid out very well by SFA that in the interest of brevity, I am not going to repeat but were very interesting
This is a weird start to round two with two people pairing up as voting partners, and Kiko leading off with what is essentially a punt using a round 1 VP method. Add to that the fact that roonectar and Hakuna still are MIA.
Since I feel that not playing is not a valid survival strategy, and the fact that he has added 0 of substance in this game, I am going back to vote for roo. He normally is a lot more active as a townie which helps, since it is pretty easy to figure out if he is mafia or townie once he starts posting. That makes me think someone is coaching him to shutup and hide as a sleeper.
Viking >>> Roonectar
I would like to see a Roonectar, Kiko, MC runoff at this point. I think between those 3, we capture the two from Mike D as well as a potential sleeper who is playing different than the norm.
Hakuna and Roonectar, there is a difference between being quiet and flat out not playing. Roo, as I have explained to you in the past, this game is not about survival. It is about finding the mafia. Just not posting so that you do not get killed is not a strategy and hurts us in the long run.
So here's what I'm thinking... I'm keeping my vote on Kiko for two reasons. First is what WV said about about Mike D coming back to Kiko multiple times then get killed on night one. The second reason is where he just left his vote to chance. Just voting for the first person who comments below you is not good strategy for a townie. However, a mafia could use that strategy to remove responsibility for their vote. It just feels off to me.
That being said, I do a have a reservation about voting for Kiko. There is a possibility that the mafia killed off Mike D to make him appear guilty. I know this has been done in the past. This is not enough to make me change my vote, but it is something to think about.
Since I feel that not playing is not a valid survival strategy, and the fact that he has added 0 of substance in this game, I am going back to vote for roo. He normally is a lot more active as a townie which helps, since it is pretty easy to figure out if he is mafia or townie once he starts posting. That makes me think someone is coaching him to shutup and hide as a sleeper.
Viking >>> Roonectar
I would like to see a Roonectar, Kiko, MC runoff at this point. I think between those 3, we capture the two from Mike D as well as a potential sleeper who is playing different than the norm.
Those are my thoughts for the night.
I agree with most of what you said in that post but I think you are forgetting something. Hakuna. He was very quite in his first game when he was mafia. He is doing that same here. As Jimmyroo pointed out to me last round. Why Roonectar and not Hakuna?
I gotta say that my gut instinct with Mike D's death was that it came out of nowhere. It felt like the mafia killed him to divert us townies, and I have a feeling the people who killed him had the least connection to him in the first round. Just my feelings so far.
Then why are you voting for Kiko? Or was that vote before you sat back and thought about it some more?
So here's what I'm thinking... I'm keeping my vote on Kiko for two reasons. First is what WV said about about Mike D coming back to Kiko multiple times then get killed on night one. The second reason is where he just left his vote to chance. Just voting for the first person who comments below you is not good strategy for a townie. However, a mafia could use that strategy to remove responsibility for their vote. It just feels off to me.
That being said, I do a have a reservation about voting for Kiko. There is a possibility that the mafia killed off Mike D to make him appear guilty. I know this has been done in the past. This is not enough to make me change my vote, but it is something to think about.
Every time I've been mafia, except the one where we figured out the inspector in the first round, we've had several criteria for who we pick.
1. Chance of them being inspector: This is hit or miss but it's ALWAYS one of the main things I look for.
2. How can we use the whack to set someone up or make the townies get paranoid and do our work for us.
3. How much experience does that player have: My four games were... Bek, Noage, EAP, Bacon. We got the actual inspector once but used the whacks to take out a threat, as well as a player that had voted or hinted at one of the three mafia in the first round. ALWAYS.
I would bet the Mike D whack is no different. Which makes me think Kiko is the obvious set up and one of his other votes was what got him on the mafia's radar.
Edit: Just looked back. I was wrong on Noage in 3. We whacked Duddits first round that game. My bad.
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I agree with most of what you said in that post but I think you are forgetting something. Hakuna. He was very quite in his first game when he was mafia. He is doing that same here. As Jimmyroo pointed out to me last round. Why Roonectar and not Hakuna?
Because I had issues with his initial vote he never answered and have had suspicions since day 1. I am pissed that both of them feel going silent is a valid strategy as I noted in my last post.
Assuming Phi was mafia, I am essentially down to roo, kiko, mc, and Hakuna for mafia. I would be OK with a four way but I am not sure how the rest of you feel about that.
after being so vocal first round I think its a pretty big copout to just go with it again. First round is a crapshoot but at this point there are things to go on.
Because I had issues with his initial vote he never answered and have had suspicions since day 1. I am pissed that both of them feel going silent is a valid strategy as I noted in my last post.
Assuming Phi was mafia, I am essentially down to roo, kiko, mc, and Hakuna for mafia. I would be OK with a four way but I am not sure how the rest of you feel about that.
If Phi was mafia it would break down to Roonector and kiko. If not, it's Mc and Hakuna +1. I'm fine with a four way but I don't think Phi was mafia. That would be way to easy.
Also, what do you know. Another Kiko vote right after I explained how he is the likely setup.
Hey everyone, sorry for holding things up. Friday was my birthday and I went to see Springsteen last night so I haven't been home since Thursday. I'm going to read up right now and get back with my vote shortly.
Ok so here's where I am at. I think it's a safe bet some one voting for Kiko is mafia. I look at it 2 ways. Kiko is a townie, and an easy kill after his first round and we are seeing a stack. Kiko is mafia, and had a bad first round and mafia are distancing and cutting their loses.
This brings me to JimmyRoo, NoAge, and Roonecter. Roonecter voted last, I think either way it would be a risky mafia move as being accused of stacking or distancing later on. JimmyRoo, while I think would be an ok vote, currently has no votes, and would basically be an arbitrary vote at this point in the round, but should there be any movement I would be consider moving.
Hakuna >> NoAge
Voting for Kiko and being part of his who ever posts nexts scheme could just be a convenient distancing play.
I don't understand how your linking me to phi and kiko here
It's pretty simple. I was breaking things down based off of Vikings listed four and on his comment about if Phi was mafia. That would be the most likely break down because if Phi was mafia then the other two probably voted Viking to try to save him. Notice I also repeated that I didn't think Phi was mafia, so that kind of negates you from that scenario. Also, sometimes people do speak in hypotheticals a lot in this game. That example didn't even list every player alive. Just those Viking would like to see in a potential runoff.
I will say that I agree with Viking. I bet two mafia members are in those four.
Well, To save my own neck because you jacklegs forced my hand. If I had of voted Viking(who is highly suspect of being mafia, given the names I have) and voted against the other two( I knew MC's name), I would have more then likely been whacked. I needed at least two names for us to have a chance of winning. I wasn't going to risk it. It's a thing called strategy.
Look over my posts. I have been hinting and hinting about switching the runoffs up and who should be in this runoff, etc. Why would I be protecting Kiko all of the sudden after him giving me such a hard time last round?
I am leaning towards believing SFA but have a few questions.
1 why now? You were not going to die and we were not closing soon. I know you were frustrated and I know the feeling but this may be the first weekend reveal without the revealer being in a pressure situation.
Second, what was the reason for picking hakuna? I had 4 people in a pool at the bottom of the post count including hakuna but others (mc and roo) were more suspicious.
Finally I am a townie and considering I named the two people you have names of as probable mafia, why do you feel I am mafia.
Well, think about it from my point of view. I didn't say I was positive you were mafia. I said the situation pointed towards it likely being you. I'll go into more detail later. My point to Jimmy was I wasn't going to take that chance and switch votes. I was safer voting with the name I had and acting ignorant.
I'm talking specifically about the runoff between you and Phi. Looking at it from the outside. Knowing what little information I had. I had to consider it being you. Let me eat and I'll go back and get the quotes and timing that made me think it was possible you.
I figured there had to be at least one talkative mafia and I knew it wasn't the name I had. So if all three mafia are all sitting back saying nothing they really don't even deserve to win. That's bullshit.
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Fair enough and thank you for the answers. I am on board. Now I see why you know phi was a townie too. I am a townie, but I can see where you are coming from. I explained in day 1 why I voted for Phi and I thought he was mafia.
CRAP!!! I was trying to copy/paste part of my last post to clarify and somehow replied on it and erased what I had said. HAHA! Can anyone look in their history and repost it? I'm looking in mine.
Well, think about it from my point of view. I didn't say I was positive you were mafia. I said the situation pointed towards it likely being you. I'll go into more detail later. My point to Jimmy was I wasn't going to take that chance and switch votes. I was safer voting with the name I had and acting ignorant.
I'm talking specifically about the runoff between you and Phi. Looking at it from the outside. Knowing what little information I had. I had to consider it being you. Let me eat and I'll go back and get the quotes and timing that made me think it was possible you.
I figured there had to be at least one talkative mafia and I knew it wasn't the name I had. So if all three mafia are all sitting back saying nothing they really don't even deserve to win. That's bullhonkey.
I'm talking specifically about the runoff between you and Phi. Looking at it from the outside. Knowing what little information I had. I had to consider it being you. Let me eat and I'll go back and get the quotes and timing that made me think it was possible you.
I figured there had to be at least one talkative mafia and I knew it wasn't the name I had. So if all three mafia are all sitting back saying nothing they really don't even deserve to win. That's bullhonkey.
Thanks but this is the problem. I edit down my big post to you to clarify that section. I guess my plan was to switch it to a new response. I got distracted and directly replied. No worries, I can rewrite it. I mean all I did was write my basics notes. Several of you saw it. Nothing will be different.
Ok so here's where I am at. I think it's a safe bet some one voting for Kiko is mafia. I look at it 2 ways. Kiko is a townie, and an easy kill after his first round and we are seeing a stack. Kiko is mafia, and had a bad first round and mafia are distancing and cutting their loses.
This brings me to JimmyRoo, NoAge, and Roonecter. Roonecter voted last, I think either way it would be a risky mafia move as being accused of stacking or distancing later on. JimmyRoo, while I think would be an ok vote, currently has no votes, and would basically be an arbitrary vote at this point in the round, but should there be any movement I would be consider moving.
Hakuna >> NoAge
Voting for Kiko and being part of his who ever posts nexts scheme could just be a convenient distancing play.
Fair enough. I don't think I am going to get voted off this round and I want to wait to see if SFA gets killed on night 2 before I vote for you.