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If you want to have private forums fine but it should be based on something general and blanketed such as number of posts. If the person who makes the thread is allowed to pick and chose who can post, you are looking at a lot of left out people and IMO that is really not the spirit of inforoo.
That defeats the purpose of "private," though.
Zapp's example is the best. A bunch of inforoosters have been pitching in with his site Tactile Tracks, but Zapp has to send out messages to all of us that we can't have group interactions with. I would like to be able to do that. I think it'd a) be fun, b) help people get inspiration or whatever you want to call it, and c) would give everyone a central location to check for updates and stuff while doing our typical inforooing.
If you want to have private forums fine but it should be based on something general and blanketed such as number of posts. If the person who makes the thread is allowed to pick and chose who can post, you are looking at a lot of left out people and IMO that is really not the spirit of inforoo.
The whole inspiration for this comes from the Coachella boards. There, they can make "groups" which are basically private mini-forums which can be made private. Some of these could be seen as exclusionary (talk about lineup leaks, etc.) while some serve a different purpose. They have ones based on music sharing, where people can share links/downloads of stuff without fear of that being publicly available. There's one for private discussion of mental illness such as depression and anxiety. There's one for dr*g talk. Stuff like that.
Basically, rather than beinig seen as simply "elitist" or "exclusionary," these private areas enable people to speak on certain topics with people they know and trust, without fear of the public viewing it. It's a lot easier than IM. That way, you have both - the larger, public, community aspect, and then other more private areas where the folks who know each other can have more open/personal discussions.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jan 8, 2013 16:42:27 GMT -5
Zapp's example is a great one. Shows how this type of feature could be implemented. I also like the example of groups of people that are going to shows/festivals that aren't Roo and being able to chat with each other.
We're looking at options and going to discuss this topic and hope we can satisfy as many people as possible.
If you want to have private forums fine but it should be based on something general and blanketed such as number of posts. If the person who makes the thread is allowed to pick and chose who can post, you are looking at a lot of left out people and IMO that is really not the spirit of inforoo.
That defeats the purpose of "private," though.
Zapp's example is the best. A bunch of inforoosters have been pitching in with his site Tactile Tracks, but Zapp has to send out messages to all of us that we can't have group interactions with. I would like to be able to do that. I think it'd a) be fun, b) help people get inspiration or whatever you want to call it, and c) would give everyone a central location to check for updates and stuff while doing our typical inforooing.
This isn't segregating inforoo.
I love Zapp, and his website, and that he pulls inforoosters in to write for it...but this is a very specific example.
I think the flip side is important to examine, as well. How it could be used for evil/meanspirited/wankery/elitist purposes. And how that may be avoided...
If you want to have private forums fine but it should be based on something general and blanketed such as number of posts. If the person who makes the thread is allowed to pick and chose who can post, you are looking at a lot of left out people and IMO that is really not the spirit of inforoo.
FWIW, each "group" or "private thread" would be modded by who started it.
You're really going to be upset because Juggs didnt invite you to his private thread?
You would never even know it existed anwyays.
And you're a woman, so you wouldnt get an invite anyways, men only brah.
April 12-14th - Indio, CA - Coachella Weekend 1
May 3-5th - Memphis, TN - Beale St. Music Festival
June 13-16th - Manchester, TN - Bonnaroo
July 12-14th - Louisville, KY - Forecastle Festival
August 2-4th - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
September 27-29th - Atlanta, GA - TomorrowWorld
October 25-27th - Asheville, NC - Mountain Oasis
If Juggs wants a thread where he can talk about the lineup without certain idiots bombarding the thread with unintelligible gibberish, he should have that right.
so who decides who an in idiot? you? juggs? me? b/c i think we both know that i think juggs is a huge idiot. why should any of us get the say so in that?
But say it's implemented and I want to have a thread where the writers can openly discuss things in a group setting, what's wrong with being able to only choose people who are the writers?
zapp there are many places you can already do this. email for instance. i wasn't aware that inforoo was the place for people to conduct private business.
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you see i've got this fascination with all the wrong ways to go.
i get lost, even in the places that i know. [heartless bastards]
Zapp's example is a great one. Shows how this type of feature could be implemented. I also like the example of groups of people that are going to shows/festivals that aren't Roo and being able to chat with each other.
We're looking at options and going to discuss this topic and hope we can satisfy as many people as possible.
I mean. Look. I get why Inforoo has a blanket policy on no dr*g discussion. But it's a little bit ridiculous that a forum based on a music festival (where lots and lots of people engage in that kind of activity) can't have any such discussion. And I'm not talking stupid sh*t like "hey bro, ill be in the back of the Other Tent with heady nuggz at 4:20 lolz," but a place where people who choose to engage in that sort of activity can have a frank discussion about it. A private thread would enable that, without making it look as if the whole community was endorsing that activity.
Basically, rather than beinig seen as simply "elitist" or "exclusionary," these private areas enable people to speak on certain topics with people they know and trust, without fear of the public viewing it. It's a lot easier than IM. That way, you have both - the larger, public, community aspect, and then other more private areas where the folks who know each other can have more open/personal discussions.
The vibe I'm getting is that it's sort of like facebook and it's private message system.
You can post on facebook and it's public (post on the main board and it's public) but if you want to have a private chat with 6 buddies who you are going to a show with (or say...6 friends on here you want to discuss the lineup with) then you can make a private group message where only the people you sent it to can see and respond to. If needed you can add others to the discussion.
Does that sound like what you're describing? If not, where am I missing details or wht did I get wrong?
Zapp's example is a great one. Shows how this type of feature could be implemented. I also like the example of groups of people that are going to shows/festivals that aren't Roo and being able to chat with each other.
We're looking at options and going to discuss this topic and hope we can satisfy as many people as possible.
I mean. Look. I get why Inforoo has a blanket policy on no dr*g discussion. But it's a little bit ridiculous that a forum based on a music festival (where lots and lots of people engage in that kind of activity) can't have any such discussion. And I'm not talking stupid sh*t like "hey bro, ill be in the back of the Other Tent with heady nuggz at 4:20 lolz," but a place where people who choose to engage in that sort of activity can have a frank discussion about it. A private thread would enable that, without making it look as if the whole community was endorsing that activity.
I get it. I hear what you're asking for and I do think there is some benefit to something along these lines. Just trying to iron out all the details and make sure all concerns are heard
Basically, rather than beinig seen as simply "elitist" or "exclusionary," these private areas enable people to speak on certain topics with people they know and trust, without fear of the public viewing it. It's a lot easier than IM. That way, you have both - the larger, public, community aspect, and then other more private areas where the folks who know each other can have more open/personal discussions.
The vibe I'm getting is that it's sort of like facebook and it's private message system.
You can post on facebook and it's public (post on the main board and it's public) but if you want to have a private chat with 6 buddies who you are going to a show with (or say...6 friends on here you want to discuss the lineup with) then you can make a private group message where only the people you sent it to can see and respond to. If needed you can add others to the discussion.
Does that sound like what you're describing? If not, where am I missing details or wht did I get wrong?
Yeah, essentially.
For instance, there's a thread in the Which Stage about leaked albums. Basically, post covers/tracklists, but no links (clearly - since we don't want to be linking to potentially-illegal downloads). A private group dedicated to the sharing of music would enable those folks to trade links to the albums they're finding, and so on. It's a companion to the main board, not a replacement, not a segregation tactic.
April 12-14th - Indio, CA - Coachella Weekend 1
May 3-5th - Memphis, TN - Beale St. Music Festival
June 13-16th - Manchester, TN - Bonnaroo
July 12-14th - Louisville, KY - Forecastle Festival
August 2-4th - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
September 27-29th - Atlanta, GA - TomorrowWorld
October 25-27th - Asheville, NC - Mountain Oasis
The vibe I'm getting is that it's sort of like facebook and it's private message system.
You can post on facebook and it's public (post on the main board and it's public) but if you want to have a private chat with 6 buddies who you are going to a show with (or say...6 friends on here you want to discuss the lineup with) then you can make a private group message where only the people you sent it to can see and respond to. If needed you can add others to the discussion.
Does that sound like what you're describing? If not, where am I missing details or wht did I get wrong?
Yeah, essentially.
For instance, there's a thread in the Which Stage about leaked albums. Basically, post covers/tracklists, but no links (clearly - since we don't want to be linking to potentially-illegal downloads). A private group dedicated to the sharing of music would enable those folks to trade links to the albums they're finding, and so on. It's a companion to the main board, not a replacement, not a segregation tactic.
Do you people opposed to it get mad that you arent included in every PM sent on this forum every day?
I mean really?
Its the same thing. Private discussion.
it is absolutely not the same thing. private messages are totally different than starting a thread and being elitist over who can post there and who can't. that is not even a comparison.
Do you people opposed to it get mad that you arent included in every PM sent on this forum every day?
I mean really?
Its the same thing. Private discussion.
it is absolutely not the same thing. private messages are totally different than starting a thread and being elitist over who can post there and who can't. that is not even a comparison.
Its absolutely the same thing.
Its a private thread that if you arent invited to, you wont even know existed!
Just like if I sent a group of people a PM about something, and didnt include you. You would never even know it existed, because its "private"
April 12-14th - Indio, CA - Coachella Weekend 1
May 3-5th - Memphis, TN - Beale St. Music Festival
June 13-16th - Manchester, TN - Bonnaroo
July 12-14th - Louisville, KY - Forecastle Festival
August 2-4th - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
September 27-29th - Atlanta, GA - TomorrowWorld
October 25-27th - Asheville, NC - Mountain Oasis
Post by Homer J. Fong on Jan 8, 2013 16:55:49 GMT -5
Group PMs would be a start, yeah. It wouldn't EXACTLY be the same as a free-flowing discussion, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. The other problem with group PMs would be if we wanted to add someone to the discussion later. Say, for instance, I start "Juggs' Sooper Seekrit Lineup Leaks Thread," and after a month or so I realize that this is something that Phi might be interested in. If I add him to a thread/group, he can scroll back and see all the previous posts. If it's a group PM, it'd be more difficult to catch up.
I'll take your advice and try using email although we all know threads are much easier in an environment that's designed for them rather than having to make sure you hit 'reply to all' every time and trying to navigate whatever horrendous interface your email client has that isn't meant for what we're talking about.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jan 8, 2013 16:56:12 GMT -5
Yea, to be fair when the thread started it was more of a "private sub forum" type thing so it's easy for people to assume that's what is still being suggested. It seems the discussion has made it's way towards more of a private message/"Groups" type of thing. Like instead of a separate section it would just be an upgraded PM situation. Something that works better than our current PMs and would allow for easy group chat.
Just a few other points: I have some good friends who work at large indie labels or other random parts of the industry. They give me interesting tidbits now and then, stuff that I'd never share with the whole board/world, but would gladly pass on to a controlled group.
Also, I would welcome a place I could have a frank discussion about politics with people I trust. It may surprise some of you but I really have to hold back on the main thread.
Zapp's example is the best. A bunch of inforoosters have been pitching in with his site Tactile Tracks, but Zapp has to send out messages to all of us that we can't have group interactions with. I would like to be able to do that. I think it'd a) be fun, b) help people get inspiration or whatever you want to call it, and c) would give everyone a central location to check for updates and stuff while doing our typical inforooing.
This isn't segregating inforoo.
I love Zapp, and his website, and that he pulls inforoosters in to write for it...but this is a very specific example.
I think the flip side is important to examine, as well. How it could be used for evil/meanspirited/wankery/elitist purposes. And how that may be avoided...
If you want me to list examples, I'll fill 30 pages with specific examples (I know you don't want that). The reason I used a specific example like that is because it involves multiple people in this discussion and exemplifies what the purpose of this change would be.
I already stated that the mods should have full access and if they deem something being set up that is not constructive in any way they can shut it down, in the same way threads are locked.
so who decides who an in idiot? you? juggs? me? b/c i think we both know that i think juggs is a huge idiot. why should any of us get the say so in that?
Dude, what the f*ck is your deal? Why are you looking at this from this perspective? How many threads do you check daily? 10? Maybe? What is the big deal if one of the countless threads you don't normally check is invite-only and you can't take part in it? I don't understand your thinking.
Group PMs would be a start, yeah. It wouldn't EXACTLY be the same as a free-flowing discussion, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. The other problem with group PMs would be if we wanted to add someone to the discussion later. Say, for instance, I start "Juggs' Sooper Seekrit Lineup Leaks Thread," and after a month or so I realize that this is something that Phi might be interested in. If I add him to a thread/group, he can scroll back and see all the previous posts. If it's a group PM, it'd be more difficult to catch up.
We'll look into that.
Plus I don't think you'd add Phi, so it's a bit of a moot point.
Group PMs would be a start, yeah. It wouldn't EXACTLY be the same as a free-flowing discussion, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. The other problem with group PMs would be if we wanted to add someone to the discussion later. Say, for instance, I start "Juggs' Sooper Seekrit Lineup Leaks Thread," and after a month or so I realize that this is something that Phi might be interested in. If I add him to a thread/group, he can scroll back and see all the previous posts. If it's a group PM, it'd be more difficult to catch up.
Good point. These are the types of things we need to hear from everyone about. I wouldn't think to look into that type of thing until you just brought that up.
I'll take your advice and try using email although we all know threads are much easier in an environment that's designed for them rather than having to make sure you hit 'reply to all' every time and trying to navigate whatever horrendous interface your email client has that isn't meant for what we're talking about.
zapp your example is not how 99.9% of these "threads" will be used.
and as i said before, i wasn't aware that inforoo was the place for people to conduct business. if you are saying a bunch of things you don't want people to see then maybe you shouldn't be doing it here.
