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I don't know how I feel about threads or sub-forums that are invite only. Surely has some pros and cons. I'm not against a sub-forum for long time or high post count members. Maybe with some sort of invite request deal? I don't know. It gets complicated. The "Artist Direct" thread is one that probably should be private to some extent, at least in the way it exists now, but at the same time we don't want to limit or discourage the participation of new boad members.
I think the Which Stage forum is a pretty solid place without much crap, if any, to sift through. Somewhere for the more "serious" members to find a place for discussion, but the topics there aren't necessarily centered around Bonnaroo, hence the issue, I suppose.
I don't know, I can't decide if I think its a good idea or not.
April 12-14th - Indio, CA - Coachella Weekend 1
May 3-5th - Memphis, TN - Beale St. Music Festival
June 13-16th - Manchester, TN - Bonnaroo
July 12-14th - Louisville, KY - Forecastle Festival
August 2-4th - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
September 27-29th - Atlanta, GA - TomorrowWorld
October 25-27th - Asheville, NC - Mountain Oasis
Private threads would make the TML a lot nicer because we wouldn't be so quick to yell at the new people that post dumb sh*t in the middle of a good discussion. We'd save the good stuff for when it's really needed, like anytime GreatAmerican tries to get big in the Headliner thread.
I actually kind of appreciate the namedrop. I really don't mind your presence over there, just think your inforoo double standards are a little childish. It's ok, I'll be sticking around.
Like a few others, I generally lurk about on the TML as I don't really feel that I have anything new or useful to contribute most of the time in that arena. That being said, I would want to be able to at least view what those "in the know" or perhaps "educated guessers" would have to say.
So much to everyone's surprise I'm sure...haha...I'm split on the matter.
April 12-14th - Indio, CA - Coachella Weekend 1
May 3-5th - Memphis, TN - Beale St. Music Festival
June 13-16th - Manchester, TN - Bonnaroo
July 12-14th - Louisville, KY - Forecastle Festival
August 2-4th - Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza
September 27-29th - Atlanta, GA - TomorrowWorld
October 25-27th - Asheville, NC - Mountain Oasis
It seems there are two veins of thinking. One is concerned with diversity of communications (I.e. private group chat including druq talk, file sharing, ETC.). The other regards diversity of users/posters, as argued by cdevaney, fuzz, etc.
From the mods perspective, the most important consideration should be increasing traffic on the site, obviously. It needs to be determined if private chats will decrease traffic. To determine whether that will happen, we need to look at what brings people to this forum and further what makes them stay.
In my experience, this forum attracts people who are looking for information on bonnaroo. By improving people's ability to effectively communicate in private we can assume that some information will cease to get on the public threads/chats. The amount of that information is undefined. Still, it's something that should probably be considered, especially because the quality of information available for viewing is what kept me and others on this site.
However, I tend to agree that threads are getting cluttered with garbage posts. This itself probably prevents some people from sticking around. It also dissuades the "good" posters from making useful contributions, which in turn lowers the quality of information on the site, and further prevents new people from sticking around.
The best solution I can think of is to have a second set of TML threads that require a certain number of posts before you can contribute. Perhaps even limit it to just a few topics that we are particularly having trouble with (ie headliner and undercard speculation). But I think they should be viewable by the public. This will allow the people like juggs to post without dealing with newbs but still keep public the useful information that makes this site so great and attractive to newcomers. They can still post in the public thread and maybe someone will be kind enough to answer a specific question or two.
In regards to the private chats/groups/threads, I think this is just a request for a better PM system that more closely resembles Facebook messaging. I don't see what's wrong with that (at least morally, as EAP seems to suggest ). You can say it will hurt overall activity, and I think it would. Buuuuut, I really have no basis for that, just a gut feeling. It's a question the mods will need to answer before they do anything. Maybe try a beta for 2 weeks before lineup drop?
Finally, I advise against Juggs suggestion earlier in this thread about file sharing. It's illegal and may involve considerable liabilities for inforoo and even the people that own it. I would definitely look into this before taking that suggestion seriously (think Napster).
I don't really care what you guys decide to do. I do think it's funny that most of the subforums here are wastelands and that you could just create a thread in just about any of them without having TML noobs busting in and dropping dueces unexpectedly. I also think most of these word filters are unnecessary.
5/25: Dillinger Escape Plan
5/30: Andrew W.K. w/ Tony Clifton
6/1: Big Boi w/ Killer Mike
6/13-16: BONNAROO
6/29: Bob Dylan, Wilco, MMJ
6/30: The Grandmothers of Invention
7/11: Seinfeld
7/20: Living Colour
8/1: Mastodon w/ Machine Head
8/7: Melvins
9/5: Iron Maiden w/ Megadeth
10/2: The Legendery Pink Dots
11/1-3: VOODOO
11/14-17: BEAR CREEK
I see and hear the pros for private threads, there are some valid points,(bwebs being my favorite) but I agree that having private threads in a public forum is not right. I was always told, it is not polite to whisper in front of other people and that is what I see happening here. If you want to discuss something in private, send a PM.
I would be fine with (but I don't necessarily support) group PMs and/or threads that only certain people can post in (whatever that qualification is) as long as they are visible to all.
I still don't agree with completely private threads. Yes, there are arguments for them as there will always be in any debate. No side is solidly right or wrong. I just think the negatives outweigh the positives (all of which have been stated).
I do think Leland has a point (along with someone who mentioned this in the beginning) that a hidden thread or two will be missed by most. It took me almost 2 registered years + my previous lurking period to find the Newest Threads. But then that brings up the question if that is right to do either when we are so strict about threads being in the right spot and if that is Inforoo supporting an "us vs them" by allowing it.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
Post by Homer J. Fong on Jan 9, 2013 10:03:59 GMT -5
It's amazing to me how many people are completely missing what is actually being discussed. They see the words "private" and immediately think it's some exclusionary elitist conspiracy to which they won't be invited, not realizing that anyone would have the ability to create these groups/circles/threads as they see fit. It's literally no different than a group PM with a lot more flexibility.
I think the issue is that many of the new users or users that might not have a personal relationship with many of the "vets" or regular users wont know about many of the discussions that will be happening/or be invited to join in. Many people come to the site to hear what the regular users have to say and learn from that....they are what makes inforoo so wonderful. I can see both sides of this argument, but I personally think it takes away from what inforoo is.
I think the issue is that many of the new users or users that might not have a personal relationship with many of the "vets" or regular users wont know about many of the discussions that will be happening/or be invited to join in. Many people come to the site to hear what the regular users have to say and learn from that....they are what makes inforoo so wonderful. I can see both sides of this argument, but I personally think it takes away from what inforoo is.
Happy "hump day"!
Scenario for everyone:
A group of inforoo regulars have a private thread going about _______ (insert whatever you want). Between posting in that thread and a relating thread in the public forums it's realized that a new member has some good posts and insight. That person is extended an invitation to join the discussion. Does that person enjoy their experience more, not because they're invited into a super secret club, but because he or she now has a very direct and focused discussion about _______, something that clearly interests them? To me, that's a no-brainer. I understand the reservations people have, but I don't think they outweigh the improvement to worthwhile and pointed discussion that would happen.
I would fully encourage (and possibly force) existing members to take on new members in these threads if I felt it'd improve the discussion.
Is the issue paranoia? I'm not being a jerk, I really want to understand why people are so against us having the ability to hold group private messages/threads.
To echo what Juggs said, is it the association of the words "private" and "thread?" It's no more private than members texting each other or FB messaging, only we want to do it here since we are already here. It's no more a "thread" than a private message is: same exact capabilities, just more user-friendly. I think they should be in some kind of forum rather than in just PM form since it'd be tougher to track all the PMs you're a part of vs. having a central location to see these private threads, but whatever I'm not the boss so I don't make that decision.
I want Zapp to be able to have a group discussion about Tactile Tracks with all the people who want to help him without having to deal with 10 different PM strands. I would like to maybe start a NYC-based thread about shows/etc. for people in the Tri-State area, I know the people that live around here are always looking for/sharing info for shows and I think having a private thread that we can post in would be beneficial. I don't need yahoos from BumbleQuack, USA coming in randomly to ask questions about NYC or something, you know? I want to be able to be nice to Phi without the world knowing I was actually nice to him.
I mean, some things are just better off not in the public forums.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Jan 9, 2013 10:49:36 GMT -5
Looks like the 1% are trying to make a place to share booking agents emails and all ROFL when they got half the lineup and we the people get segregated into never ending post of CoS confirmations and how Bowie risk getting dust and sweat in his 66 year old lungs because of his infinite love for the middle of nowhere, TN he would grace us with his presence after being couped up for a decade. Im indifferent as now i see its not juggs tossing people in mass unmarked graves with no supervision.
I mean, some things are just better off not in the public forums.
The detractors will say something like, "well keep it off of the public forums," but the thing is, we're already doing that. We know things are best left off, so we do. This would give a place, within this community, to not leave them off. In my eyes it only adds to what we already have.
The way it is on the Coach boards is ideal--anyone can see these groups exist, every one of them has a 'join' button, it is just up to the creator to place an approval restriction on it. I don't really see many people being left out of something they want to be a part of.
Looks like the 1% are trying to make a place to share booking agents emails and all ROFL when they got half the lineup and we the people get segregated into never ending post of CoS confirmations and how Bowie risk getting dust and sweat in his 66 year old lungs because of his infinite love for the middle of nowhere, TN he would grace us with his presence after being couped up for a decade. Im indifferent as now i see its not juggs tossing people in mass unmarked graves with no supervision.
I mean, I get the criticism, but right now there is NO info from booking agents. So you're saying it's better for the board to have no content about leaks from sensitive contacts, or droogs, or anything like that, rather than have it in group threads, because that's where we are right now. I've really been seeing this as a way to add more content to this board, albeit in a controlled fashion.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Jan 9, 2013 11:00:50 GMT -5
I feel the mods will do an great job relaying the info to the public i get that. Most of that was sarcasm i see what the plan is. Think it will contribute to actual good insight as well as connect Roosters with people who have similar taste as well.
I'm at the Doctors office having my ta-tas squeezed so I have to peck this out on a tiny keyboard. But we are looking at some, I feel, exciting options that would make EVERYONE happy. Give us a little time to test it out.
I mean, some things are just better off not in the public forums.
The detractors will say something like, "well keep it off of the public forums," but the thing is, we're already doing that. We know things are best left off, so we do. This would give a place, within this community, to not leave them off. In my eyes it only adds to what we already have.
The way it is on the Coach boards is ideal--anyone can see these groups exist, every one of them has a 'join' button, it is just up to the creator to place an approval restriction on it. I don't really see many people being left out of something they want to be a part of.
That doesn't sound like a bad idea however I imagine a lot of ppl being hurt if they aren't let into a discussion, mods dealing with more petty crap, and these groups forming cliques. I do understand for the need to have something that is more easily used to discuss topics between groups of people and I think perhaps a better PM system would be helpful. I'd hate to see a lot of the convos that go on separated from general open discussion. I don't participate and wouldn't ask to join the group but I learn a lot from seeing other's input.
The way it is on the Coach boards is ideal--anyone can see these groups exist, every one of them has a 'join' button, it is just up to the creator to place an approval restriction on it. I don't really see many people being left out of something they want to be a part of.
This seems different to me than what other people are saying. Several people have suggested that it should be like a PM and that if you aren't a part of it, you won't even know it exists.
I can see benefits to what you are describing. In particular, I think there are people who would be interested in certain conversations, and who would not detract from those conversations if involved, but who might not have as much to say, and so, who might not get invited to view a completely private, invitation-only thread (or group, or whatever you want to call it).
But, I think with a thread that people know about and can ask to join, subject to creator approval, you are getting into the territory that some people are concerned will lead to arbitrary exclusion. Personally, I don't have a problem with it either way, but I can see where it could cause others concern.
I feel the mods will do an great job relaying the info to the public i get that.
If private threads are enabled, there is no plan for mods to shuffle information into the light as we see fit. That would kind of negate the idea of privacy.
The detractors will say something like, "well keep it off of the public forums," but the thing is, we're already doing that. We know things are best left off, so we do. This would give a place, within this community, to not leave them off. In my eyes it only adds to what we already have.
The way it is on the Coach boards is ideal--anyone can see these groups exist, every one of them has a 'join' button, it is just up to the creator to place an approval restriction on it. I don't really see many people being left out of something they want to be a part of.
That doesn't sound like a bad idea however I imagine a lot of ppl being hurt if they aren't let into a discussion, mods dealing with more petty crap, and these groups forming cliques. I do understand for the need to have something that is more easily used to discuss topics between groups of people and I think perhaps a better PM system would be helpful. I'd hate to see a lot of the convos that go on separated from general open discussion. I don't participate and wouldn't ask to join the group but I learn a lot from seeing other's input.
I know this is going to piss some people off, but I have to say it. People need to thicken their skin. Yes, personal attacks without cause should never be tolerated and I'll be first in line to tell some mutant to f*ck off if they're picking on someone who simply doesn't have that insult gear in their body, but are people going to be shocked to find out that certain members like other members more than them? I'm fully aware I have people that like me here, people that can't stand me, and everywhere else in between. I think everyone else needs to make that same realization and then it might be easier to see it's not a big deal if people don't want to include everyone in everything.
I think the people supporting the private thread idea are in agreement that it would cause slightly less posting in public threads, but the mainstays of the forums wouldn't be going anywhere, which is what is important. If there are 10 less posts a day in the Headliner thread, for example, will people notice? I doubt it.
I feel the mods will do an great job relaying the info to the public i get that.
If private threads are enabled, there is no plan for mods to shuffle information into the light as we see fit. That would kind of negate the idea of privacy.
Am I reading your post incorrectly?
I mean if yas get wind of a confirmation (say mumford post on FB, brings it to a private thread yous are in, then you'd probably post in a public thread) not transcripts of daftpunk debates
This post really has nothing to do with Inforoo and everything to do with real life. I may sound harsh but I'm only trying to help
Some of you people never matured past High School right? Everyone wants to sit at the football lunch table so damn bad.
Here is a little lesson I learned about Sophomore year in High School and I have been I happier person ever since, able to live my own life: If someone thinks they are too cool for you, Quack'em. You have two ways to react to it, 1 being to get pissed off which plays right in to their hands or 2 ignore them and find people who appreciate you for you. It really is your choice to make.
If private threads are enabled, there is no plan for mods to shuffle information into the light as we see fit. That would kind of negate the idea of privacy.
Am I reading your post incorrectly?
I mean if yas get wind of a confirmation (say mumford post on FB, brings it to a private thread yous are in, then you'd probably post in a public thread) not transcripts of daftpunk debates
I see. We have no intention of doing anything like that.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jan 9, 2013 11:33:27 GMT -5
Yea, people need to stop thinking of it as an invite-only/VIP type thing where secret info will be had. It's more about just having the ability to have a thread-like conversation between multiple people that doesn't take place on the main boards. If Zapp wants to have an ongoing conversation with people that work on his blog but doesn't want to post it on the main board he should be able to. If I want to start a "private thread" about The Felice Brothers and updates about them touring and album news I can post in a thread and ask people "Who wants to be included in the Felice Brothers conversation/updates?".
Each situation will be different. If there are four people who want to talk about gun control away from outside opinions that cause tangents in the political thread they will be able to.
It's not going to be designed as a way for veteran members to share secret insider info that they don't want to share with the rest of the board. If people on here get info they can share without getting someone in trouble...they usually do.
Anyone who thinks that private threads will create cliques and talking behind backs, hasn't been paying attention to inforoo. We have both I'd those in spades already, hell, tinychat in and of itself is designed so members can talk to each other and pm just to talk shiz about other people. Not the only function it has, but one used pretty heavily. This place is already like a high school, private threads are not going to suddenly be the downfall of a perfect utopia where everyone is nice to one another and no one would dare talk behind another's back.
). You can say it will hurt overall activity, and I think it would. Buuuuut, I really have no basis for that, just a gut feeling. It's a question the mods will need to answer before they do anything. Maybe try a beta for 2 weeks before lineup drop?
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal. 
