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No chance he'll be on Thursday. Very, very slim chance he'll even be in a tent. He'll play midday on What or Which I think (thinking the Wiz Khalifa spot from 2011, who I think was a pre-pre-headliner).
ahh Sunday? So Rosko do you still see him a Which or What stage on sunday?
I will be listening to my spotify playlist from now until festival time and i have to say so far i have not heard one band that i've skipped. I'm liking everything i hear. JUNE SHOULD BE TOMORROW
Turtles are, actually quite sexy, if you think about it. I’m getting an erection just thinking about turtles. No, not a stripper named turtles, that’s not funny. Actual turtles.
—?Thom Yorke
I had never heard it until I looked him up on Youtube yesterday. I had no idea he was that popular.
That happens with me every year it seems. Some act that everyone else seems to have heard of that I somehow am oblivious too. I only connected Macklemore with the song I had heard last week, so don't feel alone.
I had to ask around and people were like "who?". Its just unusual to have someone billed that high and never hear their name before for me. Good for him that he is getting popular if people like it. I will have to listen to more of his tracks.
Turtles are, actually quite sexy, if you think about it. I’m getting an erection just thinking about turtles. No, not a stripper named turtles, that’s not funny. Actual turtles.
—?Thom Yorke
this whole festival tilts very indie this year, which is fine but do not try to claim it is a diverse lineup.
Jess, serious question here: if most of the bands on the lineup strike you as "indie" bands, do you think it's possible that the "indie" tag has become overgeneralized, superficial, and nondescriptive of the music? If that many bands with that many different sounds all strike you as "indie," is there a chance that that term can actually be applied to a rather diverse spectrum of bands?
An example to illustrate: I think The National and Death Grips would probably both be considered "indie" to some, but if you listen to their music, it could not be more different.
Additionally, wouldn't you consider Bjork somewhat of a "world music act?" (FTR, I'm not necessarily arguing Bjork is "world music," just pointing out the vagueness of these labels).
Well I say the same thing about Jam Bands, that it is a very overgeneralized as a genre, there is nothing at all similar between Galactic, Umphreys, Phish, and Panic. How about instead of indie I say trendy? I mean honestly there are plenty of independent label acts that I love. I just feel the top of our lineup is a lot closer to Sasquatch or Coachella this year instead of what we have seen in the past. Leaving headliners aside, there were no "jam bands" on the top 5 lines last year either but it was a much more diverse and interesting than this year, at least to me. Also I consider world music to not be westernized, Bjork performs pop albeit with a Icelandic flavor however her music is not rooted in traditional Icelandic music, she does her own thing.
The thing is that there are just not that many jam bands that are revelant and the few that are Bonnaroo has booked to death. If there was a bigger pool of jam bands to choose from more would be playing. I'm guess there are about 10-15 relevant jam bands and that's compared to about a 100 or more of "trendy" bands that are relevant. The numbers don't favor jam
Well I say the same thing about Jam Bands, that it is a very overgeneralized as a genre, there is nothing at all similar between Galactic, Umphreys, Phish, and Panic. How about instead of indie I say trendy? I mean honestly there are plenty of independent label acts that I love. I just feel the top of our lineup is a lot closer to Sasquatch or Coachella this year instead of what we have seen in the past. Leaving headliners aside, there were no "jam bands" on the top 5 lines last year either but it was a much more diverse and interesting than this year, at least to me. Also I consider world music to not be westernized, Bjork performs pop albeit with a Icelandic flavor however her music is not rooted in traditional Icelandic music, she does her own thing.
You can call it indie or trendy, either way you're using an overly broad term to lump together a bunch of bands that play a wide range of music. Maybe the most honest name for that category is Bands That You Don't Like.
No chance he'll be on Thursday. Very, very slim chance he'll even be in a tent. He'll play midday on What or Which I think (thinking the Wiz Khalifa spot from 2011, who I think was a pre-pre-headliner).
Really? I hadnt even heard of him until Sasquatch came out. He has completely flew under my radar for some reason. I am surprised he was billed so high. Do you really think he is a What or Which artist? I listened to Thrift Shop and was not at all impressed.
I like Mackelmore and Ryan Lewis for their unapologetically pro-LGBT stance and their song Same Love, which I genuinely like. Maybe its "white rap," but I'm still happy for anyone in the genre that is enthusiastically pro-gay rights.
Leaving headliners aside, there were no "jam bands" on the top 5 lines last year either but it was a much more diverse and interesting than this year, at least to me. Also I consider world music to not be westernized, Bjork performs pop albeit with a Icelandic flavor however her music is not rooted in traditional Icelandic music, she does her own thing.
Jess, I sometimes wonder if you are even aware of your own hypocrisy. In this case I think you're blissfully ignorant towards it rather than willfully trolling.
You just responded to Kyle basically saying "yeah, I make the same argument that you're making for music I like, but when it's music I don't like I'm still going to make the same argument, just change the overgeneralized term I'm using."
Changing "indie" to "trendy" doesn't change the fact that you're gripe is the festival is moving towards a sound that will get them more ticket buys. The "roots" argument is as tired as (pick any inforoo argument that's gone on for more than a week). Just come out and say you're salty because you didn't get Widespread like you guaranteed. Maybe if there were new and innovative jam bands creating music at the rate the indie genre does we would get more jam acts.
I also don't agree that the bluegrass is lacking compared to years past, but I'm sure you'll tell me how I'm wrong and not cite anything to support that claim.
Post by theshining on Feb 20, 2013 15:28:20 GMT -5
Haven't had a chance to chime in yet but I am very pleased with the line-up. Lots of acts I want to see for the first time or see again at my favorite venue and a nice mix for variety's sake
The thing is that there are just not that many jam bands that are revelant and the few that are Bonnaroo has booked to death. If there was a bigger pool of jam bands to choose from more would be playing. I'm guess there are about 10-15 relevant jam bands and that's compared to about a 100 or more of "trendy" bands that are relevant. The numbers don't favor jam
Let me start by saying I think the lineup is great this year and I don't mind the lack of jam bands. However, Bonnaroo books these 10-15 jam bands to death because people will travel specifically to see a jam band. There were Umphrey's Mcgee fans last year that bought tickets only because Umphrey's was going to be playing a 2 am-sunrise set. These trendy indie bands don't have the same followings that will travel as jam bands
I think Macklemore is incredibly tacky. His social/political stances are pretty basic so I'm not that impressed that he's overtly pro gay rights. I almost feel like that should be assumed these days and his songs are patronizing. I don't think he's that good of a rapper, either. I think his main fanbase is casual rap fans, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm okay with him being at the festival because the rap lineup outside of him is as deep as it's ever been. WU-TANG, Killer Mike, Kendrick, Earl Sweatshirt, A$AP, Big KRIT, Action Bronson. Wu-Tang is the greatest rap group of all time, Mike and Kendrick put out the 2 best rap releases last year, Earl Sweatshirt and ASAP are the future, and KRIT should be a crazy show.
I think Macklemore is incredibly tacky. His social/political stances are pretty basic so I'm not that impressed that he's overtly pro gay rights. I almost feel like that should be assumed these days and his songs are patronizing. I don't think he's that good of a rapper, either. I think his main fanbase is casual rap fans, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm okay with him being at the festival because the rap lineup outside of him is as deep as it's ever been. WU-TANG, Killer Mike, Kendrick, Earl Sweatshirt, A$AP, Big KRIT, Action Bronson. Wu-Tang is the greatest rap group of all time, Mike and Kendrick put out the 2 best rap releases last year, Earl Sweatshirt and ASAP are the future, and KRIT should be a crazy show.
I said this in a group PM (PRIVATE OPINIONZ Y'ALL!!), but I felt it's relevant to share here:
Macklemore thinks he's smart and gets too wordy with his songs. I like Lewis' beats generally, but Macklemore makes them almost intolerable with some of his lyrics.
He seems like if you were in a room with him and a bunch of people he'd a) never shut up, b) constantly undermine your opinion while smirking at you, and c) hit on your girlfriend.
He seems douchey, he rocks Miami Heat jerseys in his NBA commercial spots and he has a few solid songs (nothing great) mixed in with a bunch of crap.
His pro-gay stance is commendable, even if it is basic. He's operating in a genre that still has very strong anti-gay sentiments, a genre that uses the word "faggot" like it's a comma, so for him to have any kind of strong stance against that accepted trend is a good thing.
But that doesn't negate the fact I find him obnoxious.
The thing is that there are just not that many jam bands that are revelant and the few that are Bonnaroo has booked to death. If there was a bigger pool of jam bands to choose from more would be playing. I'm guess there are about 10-15 relevant jam bands and that's compared to about a 100 or more of "trendy" bands that are relevant. The numbers don't favor jam
Let me start by saying I think the lineup is great this year and I don't mind the lack of jam bands. However, Bonnaroo books these 10-15 jam bands to death because people will travel specifically to see a jam band. There were Umphrey's Mcgee fans last year that bought tickets only because Umphrey's was going to be playing a 2 am-sunrise set. These trendy indie bands don't have the same followings that will travel as jam bands
Most jam bands tour their butts off and you can basically see them every year if you want and if you live in the southeast you have more of a chance. I know Umphrey's comes to Charlotte 2-3 times a year. I know jam bands have loyal fans, but I doubt there were too many fans that bought a $250 ticket to see Umphrey's. If they did it was a very bad investment
I will also say that one thing I love about music festivals is that I get to see a good bit of acts I wouldnt normally get to see bc they do not come to Charlotte.
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Aug 2 - Beyoncé and Jay-Z
Aug 23-24 - FYF Fest
Sept 17 - The Breeders
Sept 22 - Lykke Li
Oct 6 - Ought
I think Macklemore is incredibly tacky. His social/political stances are pretty basic so I'm not that impressed that he's overtly pro gay rights. I almost feel like that should be assumed these days and his songs are patronizing. I don't think he's that good of a rapper, either. I think his main fanbase is casual rap fans, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm okay with him being at the festival because the rap lineup outside of him is as deep as it's ever been. WU-TANG, Killer Mike, Kendrick, Earl Sweatshirt, A$AP, Big KRIT, Action Bronson. Wu-Tang is the greatest rap group of all time, Mike and Kendrick put out the 2 best rap releases last year, Earl Sweatshirt and ASAP are the future, and KRIT should be a crazy show.
I said this in a group PM (PRIVATE OPINIONZ Y'ALL!!), but I felt it's relevant to share here:
Macklemore thinks he's smart and gets too wordy with his songs. I like Lewis' beats generally, but Macklemore makes them almost intolerable with some of his lyrics.
He seems like if you were in a room with him and a bunch of people he'd a) never shut up, b) constantly undermine your opinion while smirking at you, and c) hit on your girlfriend.
He seems douchey, he rocks Miami Heat jerseys in his NBA commercial spots and he has a few solid songs (nothing great) mixed in with a bunch of crap.
His pro-gay stance is commendable, even if it is basic. He's operating in a genre that still has very strong anti-gay sentiments, a genre that uses the word "faggot" like it's a comma, so for him to have any kind of strong stance against that accepted trend is a good thing.
But that doesn't negate the fact I find him obnoxious.
Honestly its a music festival and its kind of silly of me to say I like an artist that I'm mostly unfamiliar with simply because of their political beliefs. But I figured I'd at least make my opinion known.
Well I say the same thing about Jam Bands, that it is a very overgeneralized as a genre, there is nothing at all similar between Galactic, Umphreys, Phish, and Panic. How about instead of indie I say trendy? I mean honestly there are plenty of independent label acts that I love. I just feel the top of our lineup is a lot closer to Sasquatch or Coachella this year instead of what we have seen in the past. Leaving headliners aside, there were no "jam bands" on the top 5 lines last year either but it was a much more diverse and interesting than this year, at least to me. Also I consider world music to not be westernized, Bjork performs pop albeit with a Icelandic flavor however her music is not rooted in traditional Icelandic music, she does her own thing.
You can call it indie or trendy, either way you're using an overly broad term to lump together a bunch of bands that play a wide range of music. Maybe the most honest name for that category is Bands That You Don't Like.
You still haven't explained "white boy hip hop."
Welcome to my world, though I think that the Lumineers, Wilco, The National, Passion Pit, Grizzly Bear, St Vincent, and of Monsters and Men all play music in a stylistically similar manner. Also by white boy hip hop I mean acts that would play the Vandy Rites of Spring for instance but that I would never hear much of if I went out to a hip hop club here in town. Nas does not fit into that category and Wu Tang is almost the equivalent of classic hip hop these days, but other than that the rest of our rap acts do imo.
I think Macklemore is incredibly tacky. His social/political stances are pretty basic so I'm not that impressed that he's overtly pro gay rights. I almost feel like that should be assumed these days and his songs are patronizing. I don't think he's that good of a rapper, either. I think his main fanbase is casual rap fans, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm okay with him being at the festival because the rap lineup outside of him is as deep as it's ever been. WU-TANG, Killer Mike, Kendrick, Earl Sweatshirt, A$AP, Big KRIT, Action Bronson. Wu-Tang is the greatest rap group of all time, Mike and Kendrick put out the 2 best rap releases last year, Earl Sweatshirt and ASAP are the future, and KRIT should be a crazy show.
What songs should I be listening to by these rappers to get a good idea of what they're about? I don't like rappers that talk about money like it's the most important thing on the planet and all of their fine women. I'm into many of the Rhyesayers artists, J5, and other undergroup acts like those.
You can discount Wu Tang as I love them. Also Macklemore because I think he sucks.
Most jam bands tour their butts off and you can basically see them every year if you want and if you live in the southeast you have more of a chance. I know Umphrey's comes to Charlotte 2-3 times a year. I know jam bands have loyal fans, but I doubt there were too many fans that bought a $250 ticket to see Umphrey's. If they did it was a very bad investment
I know Umphrey's fans who catch two or more regular headlining shows per year and still shell out for festival tickets just to see them in that setting. I'm not saying it's a good investment, and it makes no sense to me, but it happens.
You can call it indie or trendy, either way you're using an overly broad term to lump together a bunch of bands that play a wide range of music. Maybe the most honest name for that category is Bands That You Don't Like.
You still haven't explained "white boy hip hop."
Welcome to my world, though I think that the Lumineers, Wilco, The National, Passion Pit, Grizzly Bear, St Vincent, and of Monsters and Men all play music in a stylistically similar manner. Also by white boy hip hop I mean acts that would play the Vandy Rites of Spring for instance but that I would never hear much of if I went out to a hip hop club here in town. Nas does not fit into that category and Wu Tang is almost the equivalent of classic hip hop these days, but other than that the rest of our rap acts do imo.
This post makes me want to stroke my beard hairs...
I think Macklemore is incredibly tacky. His social/political stances are pretty basic so I'm not that impressed that he's overtly pro gay rights. I almost feel like that should be assumed these days and his songs are patronizing. I don't think he's that good of a rapper, either. I think his main fanbase is casual rap fans, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm okay with him being at the festival because the rap lineup outside of him is as deep as it's ever been. WU-TANG, Killer Mike, Kendrick, Earl Sweatshirt, A$AP, Big KRIT, Action Bronson. Wu-Tang is the greatest rap group of all time, Mike and Kendrick put out the 2 best rap releases last year, Earl Sweatshirt and ASAP are the future, and KRIT should be a crazy show.
What songs should I be listening to by these rappers to get a good idea of what they're about? I don't like rappers that talk about money like it's the most important thing on the planet and all of their fine women. I'm into many of the Rhyesayers artists, J5, and other undergroup acts like those.
You can discount Wu Tang as I love them. Also Macklemore because I think he sucks.
Just listen to these albums
Kendrick - Good Kid, Maad City Earl Sweatshirt - Earl ASAP - Long.Live.ASAP Bronson - Blue Chips Killer Mike - RAP Music
You can call it indie or trendy, either way you're using an overly broad term to lump together a bunch of bands that play a wide range of music. Maybe the most honest name for that category is Bands That You Don't Like.
You still haven't explained "white boy hip hop."
Welcome to my world, though I think that the Lumineers, Wilco, The National, Passion Pit, Grizzly Bear, St Vincent, and of Monsters and Men all play music in a stylistically similar manner. Also by white boy hip hop I mean acts that would play the Vandy Rites of Spring for instance but that I would never hear much of if I went out to a hip hop club here in town. Nas does not fit into that category and Wu Tang is almost the equivalent of classic hip hop these days, but other than that the rest of our rap acts do imo.
To say that Passion Pit and The Lumineers sound remotely similar means you've fully never listened to either one, or both bands. Do these songs sound at all alike?
Most jam bands tour their butts off and you can basically see them every year if you want and if you live in the southeast you have more of a chance. I know Umphrey's comes to Charlotte 2-3 times a year. I know jam bands have loyal fans, but I doubt there were too many fans that bought a $250 ticket to see Umphrey's. If they did it was a very bad investment
I know Umphrey's fans who catch two or more regular headlining shows per year and still shell out for festival tickets just to see them in that setting. I'm not saying it's a good investment, and it makes no sense to me, but it happens.
I can confirm this. I have friends who came to 'Roo 2010 and last year just to catch the Umphrey's shows even though they already saw them probably 5+ times already those same years prior. I don't think it's economically logical either but shiz who am I to ruin their good time.
Welcome to my world, though I think that the Lumineers, Wilco, The National, Passion Pit, Grizzly Bear, St Vincent, and of Monsters and Men all play music in a stylistically similar manner. Also by white boy hip hop I mean acts that would play the Vandy Rites of Spring for instance but that I would never hear much of if I went out to a hip hop club here in town. Nas does not fit into that category and Wu Tang is almost the equivalent of classic hip hop these days, but other than that the rest of our rap acts do imo.
I can understand grouping Wilco, the National, and Grizzly Bear together (and even possibly St. Vincent), as well as The Lumineers with OMaM. But all of them together, orPassion Pit with any of them is a little odd.