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So this is a very valid point. And I agree with a lot of it. But What you are missing as a person who wasn't around for the early years of Roo is what Roo originally was in the early years, and this came out of the jamband heavy lineup. Early on there were these massive collaborations between artists. You'd see moe. bring out a plethora of artists, or Warren Haynes playing all over the festival, or Widespread bringing out everyone from Steve Winwood to Herbie Hacock, Bob Weir and Robert Randolph. Galactic collaborating with any number of artists from rappers to funkers. Phil Lesh Came out with the Duo/Mike/Trey. More recently, Phish did this both times with Kenny Rogers and Bruce Springsteen. Tool also did it with Tom Morello, and MMJ has done it with Kirk Hammet.
As the festival has moved away from jambands, the collaborations have severely dropped off. Nowadays you get a lot of bands playing 60-75 minute sets in their own bubble. There is hardly any cross-collaboration.
Hate on jambands all you want. That's fine. I understand the need for Bonnaroo to diversify, to appeal to the college age kids who are currently more heavily into indie rock than jamrock. I understand that some people who love indie rock will always hate jamrock (personally I love both). Still, what has been lost on all of those who didn't go to the first few Roos and don't care about the jambands is the profound sense of "we're all in this together" that extended from the crowd to the stage. Jambands, for all their wankery, are humble enough to share the stage time and time again with any number of musicians to collaborate and make their Bonnaroo performance a wholly unique experience.
These days, For all intents and purposes, collaborations have been reduced to the Superjam. Imo, this is why we have seen more than one superjam in the 2 of the last 3 bonnaroo lineups. They are trying hard to keep collaborations on the bill.
There is something to be said for this festivals roots. It's uniqueness is inherent not just to a jamband heavy lineup, but to the idea that musicians can share the stage and play together at this festival, and for anyone who has been around enough to pay attention, it's been slowly eroding in favor of the cash-cow of festival attendance numbers.
I see what you're saying...but having my first Roo in 2010, the thing I most took away from the festival was the "we're all in this together" vibe...so it's definitely not lost. Sure, there may not have been on-stage collaborations like there supposedly were in the past, but the community vibe was and is still very prevalent. Hell i'm with you...I think it would be cool as hell to see more collabs...but having never really been a part of that era, I never really had a yearning for it to come back. I'm happy with the vibes I get from the community alone. Bonnaroo is something special. I always tell my friends...go to Hangout if you want to have a great time; go to Bonnaroo if you want to experience something special.
That's well said, and I would only counter this by saying that the reason you felt the "we're all in this together" part of the Roo so much later on is because it descends from its jamband roots. The hippie mentality of creating a peaceful community vibe and spending four days on a farm spinning out to some of your favorite music is woven into the fabric of this festival because that is it's origin. The music that brought the people who created enough of this energy to make it a lasting part of the experience is an inseparable part of what Bonnaroo is and always should be.
I'm seeing two Jim James tour date shows and then plan on catching his Roo set. May seem silly to some but I do believe that some festival sets (not all, though) bring out something a little more special. Maybe it's the bands having a good time or maybe they just want to win over new fans who aren't as familiar with them...but either way I tend to look forward to the "festival set" of some bands i've already seen live...just to see if they step it up.
That's different. I'm sure there are a couple dozen other acts you want to see at Roo. The people I'm talking about buy tickets to see Umphrey's at festivals when they have little to no interest in anybody else on the lineup. I went to Hangout with an Umphrey's superfan last year. He saw their set on Friday and stayed in the condo the rest of the weekend.
Oh wow....yea that is different. I was assuming you meant that they picked a festival because Umphrey's are there but also like others.
I am not sure I could justify going to a festival primarily for just one act.
And just how do you treat jam bands? I guess you are just as big a hypocrite huh?
I'd bet you'd be surprised the learn I went to about 15 Dead shows in the summer of 04.
Or that WSP used to be my favorite band but I feel like they slowly unraveled after Mikey died.
Yes, and I saw David Byrne four times in the past 3 years, went to Emancipator last week with cursedlono, and said Iron and Wine was one of my favorite 'roo shows of 2011. I meant how you get discussing Bonnaroo lineups on here.
Like I said I do not have a individual problem with any of those bands I just do not like seeing them ALL be at the top of our list. I would say the same thing if it was all jam bands for that matter, if I want to see all indie bands I will go to Pitchfork, if I want to see all EDM I would go to Ultra, and I want to see all Jam Bands I will go to Wanee. From Bonnaroo I generally expect more, and this year they did not deliver imo.
Also FWIW I agreed with you on Panic; until Herring joined, and now I think they are actually pretty good again these days.
I think Macklemore is incredibly tacky. His social/political stances are pretty basic so I'm not that impressed that he's overtly pro gay rights. I almost feel like that should be assumed these days and his songs are patronizing. I don't think he's that good of a rapper, either. I think his main fanbase is casual rap fans, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm okay with him being at the festival because the rap lineup outside of him is as deep as it's ever been. WU-TANG, Killer Mike, Kendrick, Earl Sweatshirt, A$AP, Big KRIT, Action Bronson. Wu-Tang is the greatest rap group of all time, Mike and Kendrick put out the 2 best rap releases last year, Earl Sweatshirt and ASAP are the future, and KRIT should be a crazy show.
What songs should I be listening to by these rappers to get a good idea of what they're about? I don't like rappers that talk about money like it's the most important thing on the planet and all of their fine women. I'm into many of the Rhyesayers artists, J5, and other undergroup acts like those.
You can discount Wu Tang as I love them. Also Macklemore because I think he sucks.
Killer Mike: Reagan, Big Beast, Don't Die, Ric Flair Kendrick Lamar: Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe, Rigamortus, Money Trees, Backseat Freestyle Earl Sweatshirt: Chum, EARL, Pigeons ASAP Rocky: Peso, Purple Swag, LVL Big KRIT: Country Shit, Boobie Miles, What U Mean Action Bronson: Muslim Wedding
KRIT and ASAP might not be up your alley as much. They rap about more typical subjects, which doesn't really bother me. ASAP has a lot of good production on his tracks (especially the Clams Casino produced ones) and KRIT is a typical Southern rapper but his shows seem pretty live from the youtube videos I've seen. I personally don't listen to Action Bronson that much but he might be right up your alley, based on who you said you listen to.
I'd bet you'd be surprised the learn I went to about 15 Dead shows in the summer of 04.
Or that WSP used to be my favorite band but I feel like they slowly unraveled after Mikey died.
Yes, and I saw David Byrne four times in the past 3 years, went to Emancipator last week with cursedlono, and said Iron and Wine was one of my favorite 'roo shows of 2011. I meant how you get discussing Bonnaroo lineups on here.
I don't get it. I was pulling for Furthur or Phil all off-season. I'm looking forward to Conspirator.
The only real negative thing I say about jam bands is that I thought the Sunday jam headliner was a stupid anachronism. Constantly booking WSP in particular. But you seem to have a major problem understanding that just because I and a lot of people feel that way DOES NOT MEAN I/we hate all jam bands.
The top of the lineup is more diverse than past years IMO. There is not one genre crossover in the top 10
Except for Classic Rock, Indie Rock, and Hip Hop......
Macca - rock/pop Mumford - rock/folk/pop Petty - classic rock Bjork - international alternative pop Wilco - alt country rock Pretty Lights - electronic R. Kelly - R&B Wu-Tang - Hip Hop Daniel Tosh - Comedy The National - alternative
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Aug 2 - Beyoncé and Jay-Z
Aug 23-24 - FYF Fest
Sept 17 - The Breeders
Sept 22 - Lykke Li
Oct 6 - Ought
if I want to see all indie bands I will go to Pitchfork, if I want to see all EDM I would go to Ultra, and I want to see all Jam Bands I will go to Wanee.
Bonnaroo has everything. Jam, bluegrass, hip-hop, r&b, indie rock, classic rock, jazz, big name acts, no-name acts, f*ckign living legends all the way down to bottom-line guys people on this board are genuinely pumped for.
Look, this lineup isn't for you? Fine, that's understandable since you have a taste in music and this festival may not have hit that taste. But just say that. Don't make broad-stroke comments that you yourself chastise people for (the hypocrisy of the jam band vs. indie/trendy discussion is outrageous) to justify you not liking it. You don't have to justify not liking it. No one cares if you love it or hate it except for you. No one's trip is being decided on whether I love the lineup or not. But to blindly bash it as having too much of something or not enough when you are indisputably inaccurate in those claims is more evidence you're contrarian for the sake of it.
Cut it out, Jess. You don't like the lineup, or you wish it had more jammy jam noodling? Fine. Say that, but let's stop acting like Roo just became Pitchfork with a bigger budget.
Can someone make a thread that list all band specific threads that exist like last year? I am too lazy to do it, but dual threads are bound to start happening and it makes it easy to find threads
Post by problem dog on Feb 20, 2013 16:56:36 GMT -5
All of the folk bands are indie/trendy. Even though acts like Mumford and Of Monsters and Men received big commercial pushes before their debut albums and found a wide audience without any real support from the indie publications.
Bonnaroo has everything. Jam, bluegrass, hip-hop, r&b, indie rock, classic rock, jazz, big name acts, no-name acts, f*ckign living legends all the way down to bottom-line guys people on this board are genuinely pumped for.
Look, this lineup isn't for you? Fine, that's understandable since you have a taste in music and this festival may not have hit that taste. But just say that. Don't make broad-stroke comments that you yourself chastise people for (the hypocrisy of the jam band vs. indie/trendy discussion is outrageous) to justify you not liking it. You don't have to justify not liking it. No one cares if you love it or hate it except for you. No one's trip is being decided on whether I love the lineup or not. But to blindly bash it as having too much of something or not enough when you are indisputably inaccurate in those claims is more evidence you're contrarian for the sake of it.
Cut it out, Jess. You don't like the lineup, or you wish it had more jammy jam noodling? Fine. Say that, but let's stop acting like Roo just became Pitchfork with a bigger budget.
Roo doesn't have jam this year except for one band in the tenth line. There was no reggae last year and so far none this year. Luckily, there is one jamtronica band (conspirator) this year which had no representation last year. I think your Pitchfork analogy is fairly spot on. Maybe more Coachella esque with late nights and less edm. A lot of people dislike this lineup, not just Jess. Only one or two of my crew of 20+ is planning on going now, with many of them having gone to every roo.
Bonnaroo has everything. Jam, bluegrass, hip-hop, r&b, indie rock, classic rock, jazz, big name acts, no-name acts, f*ckign living legends all the way down to bottom-line guys people on this board are genuinely pumped for.
Look, this lineup isn't for you? Fine, that's understandable since you have a taste in music and this festival may not have hit that taste. But just say that. Don't make broad-stroke comments that you yourself chastise people for (the hypocrisy of the jam band vs. indie/trendy discussion is outrageous) to justify you not liking it. You don't have to justify not liking it. No one cares if you love it or hate it except for you. No one's trip is being decided on whether I love the lineup or not. But to blindly bash it as having too much of something or not enough when you are indisputably inaccurate in those claims is more evidence you're contrarian for the sake of it.
Cut it out, Jess. You don't like the lineup, or you wish it had more jammy jam noodling? Fine. Say that, but let's stop acting like Roo just became Pitchfork with a bigger budget.
Roo doesn't have jam this year except for one band in the tenth line. There was no reggae last year and so far none this year. Luckily, there is one jamtronica band (conspirator) this year which had no representation last year. I think your Pitchfork analogy is fairly spot on. Maybe more Coachella esque with late nights and less edm. A lot of people dislike this lineup, not just Jess. Only one or two of my crew of 20+ is planning on going now, with many of them having gone to every roo.
Well, I can see you're going to be quite enjoyable.
The fact that you agreed wholeheartedly with Jess makes me think you were held underwater at the public pool growing up.
When I said they "have everything" I mean they have something everyone can like. I didn't imply they have every single music genre on the planet earth represented.
And I'm sorry your hippie friends want to go to Wanee, but the lack of jammy jams on the farm isn't something the vast majority of the attendees will be losing sleep over.
Can someone make a thread that list all band specific threads that exist like last year? I am too lazy to do it, but dual threads are bound to start happening and it makes it easy to find threads
There's a locked thread that is sticky'd called "Thread directory" that I will be working on in the next day or two.
Roo doesn't have jam this year except for one band in the tenth line. There was no reggae last year and so far none this year. Luckily, there is one jamtronica band (conspirator) this year which had no representation last year. I think your Pitchfork analogy is fairly spot on. Maybe more Coachella esque with late nights and less edm. A lot of people dislike this lineup, not just Jess. Only one or two of my crew of 20+ is planning on going now, with many of them having gone to every roo.
Reggae sucks and your crew has awful taste.
If people don't like this lineup that's fine, but there's no way people who attended 2008-2012 should think its terrible. None.
Oh so your opinions of good music trumps everyone elses?
I also didn't say the lineup was terrible. I said before in a different thread that it was amazing and disappointing at the same time. There was still a good jam representation in 08-12, though barely last year with only Phish, Umphs, and Moon taxi.
Post by Whoreshack on Feb 20, 2013 17:15:28 GMT -5
I don't usually quote COS, but...
Thus, when you factor in the competition, Bonnaroo’s 2013 lineup becomes all that more impressive. Regardless, festival promoters still managed to book three legit headliners and several others who will no doubt close stages at other American festivals. They also booked a formidable mid-tier portion of the lineup, locking in stalwarts (Björk, The National, Cat Power, David Byrne & St. Vincent), rising newcomers (Tame Impala, Earl Sweatshirt, Death Grips), and oddball veterans (Billy Idol!?!? R. Kelly?!?!?) Another fascinating trait of the lineup? There’s not a single reunion.
As of today, Bonnaroo has pieced together by far and away the best lineup of any North American music festival in 2013. It remains to be seen what Lollapalooza and Outside Lands have in the works, but at least in regards to Bonnaroo, not since 2009 have we been salivating at the idea of spending a weekend in the dusty, dried out confines of Manchester, Tennessee.
Roo doesn't have jam this year except for one band in the tenth line. There was no reggae last year and so far none this year. Luckily, there is one jamtronica band (conspirator) this year which had no representation last year. I think your Pitchfork analogy is fairly spot on. Maybe more Coachella esque with late nights and less edm. A lot of people dislike this lineup, not just Jess. Only one or two of my crew of 20+ is planning on going now, with many of them having gone to every roo.
Well, I can see you're going to be quite enjoyable.
The fact that you agreed wholeheartedly with Jess makes me think you were held underwater at the public pool growing up.
When I said they "have everything" I mean they have something everyone can like. I didn't imply they have every single music genre on the planet earth represented.
And I'm sorry your hippie friends want to go to Wanee, but the lack of jammy jams on the farm isn't something the vast majority of the attendees will be losing sleep over.
I don't wholeheartedly agree with Jess. I think some of his points were spot on but the indie/trendy and hip hop thing was grasping.
Oh so your opinions of good music trumps everyone elses?
I also didn't say the lineup was terrible. I said before in a different thread that it was amazing and disappointing at the same time. There was still a good jam representation in 08-12, though barely last year with only Phish, Umphs, and Moon taxi.
So if there were three jambands as opposed to two, you'd be happy?
If we had 2 or 3 mid tier jam bands, then yeah I would be happy. Conspirator is scraping the bottom of the barrel and shouldn't play anywhere but thursday and mule just over saturates the southern rock thing we already get from petty and zz top.
Jam bands and jam music in general have not progressed and Bonnaroo is progressing. Plain and simple. It is not like the 10-15 jam bands in existence will never be on the farm again. Bonnaroo went a different route this year and in 95% of peoples eyes in was a good move. I bet Bonnaroo sells out faster this year than it has in while and I doubt Capps is going to be thinking "well I wish we would have booked Tea Leaf Green, Perpetual Groove, and WSP. I bet we would have sold out faster".
I don't wholeheartedly agree with Jess. I think some of his points were spot on but the indie/trendy and hip hop thing was grasping.
Why you wait until after the bulk of this discussion to say this is beyond me. Probably should have lead off with "I think Jess is wrong on X and Y, but he might have a point with a lack of jam bands." That changes the entire tone of the discussion rather than siding up next to the guy who is making insane claims and arguing with anyone who disagrees with them.
Yeah, some more jam bands would be cool, but there is quite a limited pool to choose from and people get more upset with repeating acts than they do too much/little of a certain genre.
Welcome to my world, though I think that the Lumineers, Wilco, The National, Passion Pit, Grizzly Bear, St Vincent, and of Monsters and Men all play music in a stylistically similar manner.
I don't see this at all. In fact, I think Wilco has more in common with WSP then half of those groups. Especially live.