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I bet you can roll that experience into all kinds of other management/coordinator positions. Or is that what you're trying to avoid?
That's what I'm trying to avoid. Or at least in an industry with less ego, liability, and budget problems (if that even exists).
Could you stay in hotels at all? With right years in something you probably know quite a bit. What do they say - "It takes 10,000 hours to get really good at something"?. That's five years full time work at 2080 hours \ 40 hours times 52 weeks.
I work in financing for a lot of hotels and know they need extensive renovations every so many years to maintain their flag (franchise rights) or they lose access to booking systems set up by the flag.
Independent owners (lots) know their stuff but sometimes want to pay for a consultant with knowledge and expertise; sometime the bank demands they use a third party to estimate costs for a project.
You would still have to deal with owner egos, but it would be on your terms. You own your own budget of you go out on your own, so that could be intimidating. Financing...yeah. You will need to find the startup on your own. Maybe moonlight at first?
Otherwise, I'd say appraiser or home /building inspector. You would still be a free contractor and have even less contact with the Buttholes building this current castle in the sand. Plenty of firms hire people for that if you want stability.
Or, just go nuts and get scared by going with something totally new, challenging, and exciting. If you've been in construction for eight years, you have seen the worst since the early nineties. Something new I could understand.
That's what I'm trying to avoid. Or at least in an industry with less ego, liability, and budget problems (if that even exists).
Could you stay in hotels at all? With right years in something you probably know quite a bit. What do they say - "It takes 10,000 hours to get really good at something"?. That's five years full time work at 2080 hours \ 40 hours times 52 weeks.
I work in financing for a lot of hotels and know they need extensive renovations every so many years to maintain their flag (franchise rights) or they lose access to booking systems set up by the flag.
Independent owners (lots) know their stuff but sometimes want to pay for a consultant with knowledge and expertise; sometime the bank demands they use a third party to estimate costs for a project.
You would still have to deal with owner egos, but it would be on your terms. You own your own budget of you go out on your own, so that could be intimidating. Financing...yeah. You will need to find the startup on your own. Maybe moonlight at first?
Otherwise, I'd say appraiser or home /building inspector. You would still be a free contractor and have even less contact with the Buttholes building this current castle in the sand. Plenty of firms hire people for that if you want stability.
Or, just go nuts and get scared by going with something totally new, challenging, and exciting. If you've been in construction for eight years, you have seen the worst since the early nineties. Something new I could understand.
You are absolutely right about the renovations. The industry standard is about every 6 years. Sometimes they can stretch out the work as long a certain aspects are updated by certain dates. For example, paint one year, carpet 2 years, ADA Bathrooms in 4 years. I've worked in a couple hotels that have lost their flag and needed to be totally converted to another brand.
I deal with Owner's reps on pretty much every job, unless it's something really small. They can be great and they can be terrible. The bad ones usually come from somewhere in the hotel industry, such as Assistant GM, Engineering, F&B, Housekeeping, etc. They know hotel operations well, but don't know the proper procedures of the Owner/Contractor/Architect relationship. The best ones have a GC background and now exactly how to assist everybody in keeping a project moving. Some big ownership companies have departments that will handle the construction/renovation stuff. My experience with them is that they tend to be more design oriented.
I feel like I would be really good at being an Owner's rep with my experience. The company I work for has actually flirted with the idea and has dipped their toes in it a little. I have also thought about becoming an inspector. The thing is, I think I want completely out of construction.
It would be a great feeling to go nuts and try something new, if I could just figure out what I could do or develop a really cool skill. That seems to be the hardest part. Well, that, and most likely taking a big pay cut.
I'm not really used to posting in forums, So I'm just going to jump in here! I wait tables and if you've ever served before you know how bad server dreams can have. Well, last night I had a dream everyone was acting so obnoxious I actually started fighting my tables. It's definitely time I get a vacation!
I work part-time at the Cheesecake Factory and we call them "cheesemares." I've never have a bad dream about my day job, but regularly get the cheesemares. I get it! Although almost every single one is just me in the eternal weeds, not things like fighting.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I'm not really used to posting in forums, So I'm just going to jump in here! I wait tables and if you've ever served before you know how bad server dreams can have. Well, last night I had a dream everyone was acting so obnoxious I actually started fighting my tables. It's definitely time I get a vacation!
I work part-time at the Cheesecake Factory and we call them "cheesemares." I've never have a bad dream about my day job, but regularly get the cheesemares. I get it! Although almost every single one is just me in the eternal weeds, not things like fighting.
This is the first one I've had like that. The one I have the most I'm standing at a table who doesn't know what they want to order and I keep repeating "do you guys want a minute to look through the menu?" and they wont answer, all while I can see table after table sit down in my section behind me and I cant take care of them while I'm stuck at that table who wont say they need a minute.
I'm not really used to posting in forums, So I'm just going to jump in here! I wait tables and if you've ever served before you know how bad server dreams can have. Well, last night I had a dream everyone was acting so obnoxious I actually started fighting my tables. It's definitely time I get a vacation!
I work part-time at the Cheesecake Factory and we call them "cheesemares." I've never have a bad dream about my day job, but regularly get the cheesemares. I get it! Although almost every single one is just me in the eternal weeds, not things like fighting.
In my Thursday night class, the girl next to me says her husband is a cook at Cheesecake.
I had a dream when I was bussing tables as a young man at a well known chain steak house. It consisted solely of me picking up finished plates. Like when they are done eating.
It was first person, like a video game, like DOOM.
All I did was pick up plates. Over and over again. There was no point to it, no high score, no reason.
And I knew, in that dream, that there would always be more plates.
I work part-time at the Cheesecake Factory and we call them "cheesemares." I've never have a bad dream about my day job, but regularly get the cheesemares. I get it! Although almost every single one is just me in the eternal weeds, not things like fighting.
In my Thursday night class, the girl next to me says her husband is a cook at Cheesecake.
You know of any Jamaican cooks at your place?
Did you catch a name or anything? There's a Jamaican kitchen manager and there are a few other black cooks, but I can't say for sure if they are Jamaican. I believe the manager is the only one with an accent.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
Post by heyyitskait on Feb 10, 2015 9:29:25 GMT -5
I'm running the dish machine in class today. I'm gonna smell like wet dog the rest of the day.
My nutrition class this semester is incredibly disappointing. I wish I could switch classes but the other section doesn't fit my schedule. The teacher is just so boring. He reads off power points, goes off on meaningless tangents, and tells half a joke, laughs hysterically at himself then says "Oh, nevermind!" Who tells half a joke?! Even if it's bad, just finish the damn joke!
I'm running the dish machine in class today. I'm gonna smell like wet dog the rest of the day.
My nutrition class this semester is incredibly disappointing. I wish I could switch classes but the other section doesn't fit my schedule. The teacher is just so boring. He reads off power points, goes off on meaningless tangents, and tells half a joke, laughs hysterically at himself then says "Oh, nevermind!" Who tells half a joke?! Even if it's bad, just finish the damn joke!
A priest, a chicken crossing the road, and a knock knock who's there walk into a bar.
Ahh yes! He's the manager I mentioned. Such a big, cute, cuddly teddy bear of a guy I don't know him that well. He's sorta new and I mostly just work weekends now.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
Post by Dave Maynar on Feb 11, 2015 14:12:41 GMT -5
In a work meeting today, we got off on a tangent about how cold it is in our office and people having small space heaters at their desks. Someone else in the meeting made a snide comment about how the people who complain the most are the ones that are wearing flip flops to work (yes, some people don't understand what you wear in an office). After I explained that I wear shoes and socks everyday and am still cold every day, he said I should go buy wool socks. Seriously?
In a work meeting today, we got off on a tangent about how cold it is in our office and people having small space heaters at their desks. Someone else in the meeting made a snide comment about how the people who complain the most are the ones that are wearing flip flops to work (yes, some people don't understand what you wear in an office). After I explained that I wear shoes and socks everyday and am still cold every day, he said I should go buy wool socks. Seriously?
Seriously sounds like you need a space heater at your desk.
In a work meeting today, we got off on a tangent about how cold it is in our office and people having small space heaters at their desks. Someone else in the meeting made a snide comment about how the people who complain the most are the ones that are wearing flip flops to work (yes, some people don't understand what you wear in an office). After I explained that I wear shoes and socks everyday and am still cold every day, he said I should go buy wool socks. Seriously?
We're not ALLOWED to have space heaters, because of "fire" or whatever
Also, fuck that guy. He's probably adjusting the AC when nobody's looking.
We're not ALLOWED to have space heaters, because of "fire" or whatever
Also, fuck that guy. He's probably adjusting the AC when nobody's looking.
We can't actually adjust the thermostat. Our office is in a leased building and the thermostat is passcode protected, and people from the property management company are the only ones who know it. One of the office rumors right now is that they are getting to ban personal fridges and space heaters to save the management company on the electric bill. The issue for our division is exacerbated because luck has the two coldest people in the division in the cubicles that are right under the a/c vent.
We're not ALLOWED to have space heaters, because of "fire" or whatever
Also, fuck that guy. He's probably adjusting the AC when nobody's looking.
We can't actually adjust the thermostat. Our office is in a leased building and the thermostat is passcode protected, and people from the property management company are the only ones who know it. One of the office rumors right now is that they are getting to ban personal fridges and space heaters to save the management company on the electric bill. The issue for our division is exacerbated because luck has the two coldest people in the division in the cubicles that are right under the a/c vent.
Ugh that sucks! I have a space heater under my desk. They all make fun of me. I don't care, I hate being cold. I feel really sorry for those stuck under the vent.
In a work meeting today, we got off on a tangent about how cold it is in our office and people having small space heaters at their desks. Someone else in the meeting made a snide comment about how the people who complain the most are the ones that are wearing flip flops to work (yes, some people don't understand what you wear in an office). After I explained that I wear shoes and socks everyday and am still cold every day, he said I should go buy wool socks. Seriously?
I hate shit like that. you're in a temperature-controlled place, you shouldn't have to dress like you're walking through a tundra when you're inside (same thing for the summer months).
I always get shit if I'm wearing short sleeves during the winter time and mention (not complain... I rarely actually complain about it... just mention) that I'm cold. I always get the "well maybe if you dressed for the weather!!!" how about "maybe if they regulated the indoor temperatures to a comfortable and normal fucking level I wouldn't have to worry about it"
not completely related, but when I wear flats: "oh, those don't look like winter time shoes!!!" - how about I don't give a fuck because I'm sick of wearing the same 3 pairs of boots every day, these shoes look cuter with my outfit, and I'm literally outside for my 10 foot walk to & from my apartment to car and 30 foot walk to & from my car to office building.
We're not ALLOWED to have space heaters, because of "fire" or whatever
Also, fuck that guy. He's probably adjusting the AC when nobody's looking.
We can't actually adjust the thermostat. Our office is in a leased building and the thermostat is passcode protected, and people from the property management company are the only ones who know it. One of the office rumors right now is that they are getting to ban personal fridges and space heaters to save the management company on the electric bill. The issue for our division is exacerbated because luck has the two coldest people in the division in the cubicles that are right under the a/c vent.
I used to sit right under an a/c vent, and I had to wear gloves AND a parka over the summer (when it was cranking the most). So glad I don't have that job anymore.
In a work meeting today, we got off on a tangent about how cold it is in our office and people having small space heaters at their desks. Someone else in the meeting made a snide comment about how the people who complain the most are the ones that are wearing flip flops to work (yes, some people don't understand what you wear in an office). After I explained that I wear shoes and socks everyday and am still cold every day, he said I should go buy wool socks. Seriously?
I hate shit like that. you're in a temperature-controlled place, you shouldn't have to dress like you're walking through a tundra when you're inside (same thing for the summer months).
I always get shit if I'm wearing short sleeves during the winter time and mention (not complain... I rarely actually complain about it... just mention) that I'm cold. I always get the "well maybe if you dressed for the weather!!!" how about "maybe if they regulated the indoor temperatures to a comfortable and normal fucking level I wouldn't have to worry about it"
not completely related, but when I wear flats: "oh, those don't look like winter time shoes!!!" - how about I don't give a fuck because I'm sick of wearing the same 3 pairs of boots every day, these shoes look cuter with my outfit, and I'm literally outside for my 10 foot walk to & from my apartment to car and 30 foot walk to & from my car to office building.
I know! It'd be one thing if I was complaining on being cold when I was outside. It's another when I'm in a building.
In a work meeting today, we got off on a tangent about how cold it is in our office and people having small space heaters at their desks. Someone else in the meeting made a snide comment about how the people who complain the most are the ones that are wearing flip flops to work (yes, some people don't understand what you wear in an office). After I explained that I wear shoes and socks everyday and am still cold every day, he said I should go buy wool socks. Seriously?
I hate shit like that. you're in a temperature-controlled place, you shouldn't have to dress like you're walking through a tundra when you're inside (same thing for the summer months).
I always get shit if I'm wearing short sleeves during the winter time and mention (not complain... I rarely actually complain about it... just mention) that I'm cold. I always get the "well maybe if you dressed for the weather!!!" how about "maybe if they regulated the indoor temperatures to a comfortable and normal fucking level I wouldn't have to worry about it"
not completely related, but when I wear flats: "oh, those don't look like winter time shoes!!!" - how about I don't give a fuck because I'm sick of wearing the same 3 pairs of boots every day, these shoes look cuter with my outfit, and I'm literally outside for my 10 foot walk to & from my apartment to car and 30 foot walk to & from my car to office building.
I keep a sweater at my desk as well. I know that it doesn't get nearly as cold here as other places, but we get a very humid cold here and sometimes it is hard to warm up when you are frozen to the bone because its almost wet outside. On the other hand, when it is hot here, it is hot (and humid) and everywhere CRANKS the AC so its impossible not to freeze if you are wearing tanks/shorts/skirts. I didn't wear shorts for a long time because of that alone. There is just no winning really when you are always cold like me. I have to always be prepared to be cold no matter what the outside temperature is.
I hate shit like that. you're in a temperature-controlled place, you shouldn't have to dress like you're walking through a tundra when you're inside (same thing for the summer months).
I always get shit if I'm wearing short sleeves during the winter time and mention (not complain... I rarely actually complain about it... just mention) that I'm cold. I always get the "well maybe if you dressed for the weather!!!" how about "maybe if they regulated the indoor temperatures to a comfortable and normal fucking level I wouldn't have to worry about it"
not completely related, but when I wear flats: "oh, those don't look like winter time shoes!!!" - how about I don't give a fuck because I'm sick of wearing the same 3 pairs of boots every day, these shoes look cuter with my outfit, and I'm literally outside for my 10 foot walk to & from my apartment to car and 30 foot walk to & from my car to office building.
I keep a sweater at my desk as well. I know that it doesn't get nearly as cold here as other places, but we get a very humid cold here and sometimes it is hard to warm up when you are frozen to the bone because its almost wet outside. On the other hand, when it is hot here, it is hot (and humid) and everywhere CRANKS the AC so its impossible not to freeze if you are wearing tanks/shorts/skirts. I didn't wear shorts for a long time because of that alone. There is just no winning really when you are always cold like me. I have to always be prepared to be cold no matter what the outside temperature is.
I feel you. it gets reallyyyy hot here in the summer (SHOCKER I KNOW.) but every office I've worked in cranks the AC to compensate and it's so annoying. you have to dress like you do in the winter, which is ultra-annoying because as soon as you step outside, you're instantly sweating.
again, these places are temperature-controlled. it shouldn't be such an issue!!
I keep a sweater at my desk as well. I know that it doesn't get nearly as cold here as other places, but we get a very humid cold here and sometimes it is hard to warm up when you are frozen to the bone because its almost wet outside. On the other hand, when it is hot here, it is hot (and humid) and everywhere CRANKS the AC so its impossible not to freeze if you are wearing tanks/shorts/skirts. I didn't wear shorts for a long time because of that alone. There is just no winning really when you are always cold like me. I have to always be prepared to be cold no matter what the outside temperature is.
I feel you. it gets reallyyyy hot here in the summer (SHOCKER I KNOW.) but every office I've worked in cranks the AC to compensate and it's so annoying. you have to dress like you do in the winter, which is ultra-annoying because as soon as you step outside, you're instantly sweating.
again, these places are temperature-controlled. it shouldn't be such an issue!!
I agree. Its crazy that you will literally be walking down the street, sweating your ass off in over 90 degree, 100% humidity weather and you can FEEL the freezing cold air being blasted out of restaurants and businesses. I am almost confused as who would want to go in there? I get it, its fucking hot, but your having your restaurant's thermostat set at 50 to entice people to come into the cool is CRAZY! You are literally freezing after sitting for 5 minutes. How do you enjoy a meal like that? And it isn't one of those things where you think it is freezing in there but it isn't really because it is so hot outside. NO, it is FREEZING in there.
I have a space heater, a heated foot rest, two fans, a jacket and a blanket at my desk. Plus a window (necessary for freezing office days in the summer). #officelifeisrough That being said, I always wear open toed sandals and short-sleeves year round. (But Dave- they aren't rubber flip flops. They're always nicer than that and are accepted here).
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
I have a space heater, a heated foot rest, two fans, a jacket and a blanket at my desk. Plus a window (necessary for freezing office days in the summer). #officelifeisrough That being said, I always wear open toed sandals and short-sleeves year round. (But Dave- they aren't rubber flip flops. They're always nicer than that and are accepted here).
Just to play Devil's advocate, someone who is cold can put on another layer of clothing to compensate. Someone who is hot is basically SOL. You can only take so much off in the work place unless you work in a few select industries
If I ever work somewhere where I have to wear a full suit, I will be drenched in sweat all day. I just run hot, always have.
But to be fair, it does sound like your office is way in the extreme. And them wanting to ban heaters due to the electric bill? Come on! Don't spend so much money creating a polar ice cap and your workers won't have to use electricity to heat it to a liveable temp! And I have a hard time believing the amount of money used from the heaters and fridges amounts to anything significant in the grand scheme of things.
I have a space heater, a heated foot rest, two fans, a jacket and a blanket at my desk. Plus a window (necessary for freezing office days in the summer). #officelifeisrough That being said, I always wear open toed sandals and short-sleeves year round. (But Dave- they aren't rubber flip flops. They're always nicer than that and are accepted here).
You are crazy.
Just to make sure. You see that she lives in CT, right? I have seen photographic evidence on multiple occasions of her wearing sandals with snow on the ground.