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Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jan 19, 2014 20:30:07 GMT -5
They are equal. Brady had the better defense during his Super Bowl run and Manning has a far surperior selection of offensive weapons this go around in the AFC playoffs.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree, maybe not in this forum, but in general.
Listen I obviously have my own biases, but before today this thing wasn't even a debate any more. I'm not willing to turn the whole argument upside down because of one game where the Broncos had home field and a significant personnel advantage.
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Well, they're both going to keep playing for a few more years. If Manning somehow wins two more Super Bowls while Brady never gets his 4th? I think you have to say Manning (titles & stats). If Manning loses in two weeks and never wins another SB? Tougher discussion.
I think Brady has done more with less over his career, but Manning has better #'s. They're both unfathomably good, they're #1 and #2 in some order in the historical QB power rankings, and the story isn't over yet. Whatever your answer is now, it could very well change in the next 3-4 years.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree, maybe not in this forum, but in general.
Listen I obviously have my own biases, but before today this thing wasn't even a debate any more. I'm not willing to turn the whole argument upside down because of one game where the Broncos had home field and a significant personnel advantage.
If Manning wins this game, though, he's only 1 title behind Brady. Brady had the personnel/home field advantage more often than not in the past, so I don't think you can use that to take away from the game.
I actually think wins being pretty handily in Brady's favor, along with the titles, gives him the slight edge, but you can't act like yesterday didn't close the gap (if there was one) between the two guys.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree, maybe not in this forum, but in general.
Listen I obviously have my own biases, but before today this thing wasn't even a debate any more. I'm not willing to turn the whole argument upside down because of one game where the Broncos had home field and a significant personnel advantage.
Oh, come on, man. Take a step back and think about what you're saying; are you REALLY saying that "Tom Brady vs Peyton Manning" WASN'T a debate before yesterday? That's absurd. It's one of the most famous debates in sports. Plenty of non-Colts/Broncos and non-Pats fans would argue that Peyton is the better quarterback, myself included. And that was BEFORE the outcome of yesterday's game.
You could def make an argument for the coaching staff having a major impact as well. Having Belichick as your head coach for all those years def doesn't hurt Brady's chances at greatness. The fact that Peyton has gotten where he is on two different teams with various coaching changes and offensive systems speaks volumes to his own personal consistency.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jan 20, 2014 18:58:10 GMT -5
Was Brady an elite passer when he was winning the 3? I don't like that he hasn't won since 05 when he started throwing for either 4000 yrds or 30 tds. In my mind when Manning won he was THE reason. I would have really liked to see Brady win in 07 or 11. Put a lot of qbs in Brady's position in the early 00s and I think they get at least 2 rings. I also quite enjoy all the bs Manning does at the line and how he pretty much is the offensive coordinator.
Post by Longtime and Frequent Poster on Jan 20, 2014 22:17:22 GMT -5
[ ] I am a fan of the Patriots. Brady has an intangible that Manning lacks. He has had more playoff success and more more Super Bowl wins and is therefore a better quarterback.
[ ] I don't like Tom Brady because he is cocky and yells at referees. Peyton Manning has better career statistics with lesser coaches and is more levelheaded and seems like a nice guy. Plus, the Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl since they were caught cheating.
There, I saved 95% of you dummies from taking the time to type.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jan 21, 2014 2:25:34 GMT -5
Still not sure how anyone can put THAT much importance into SB wins in football. I completely understand in basketball, but man Brady was better in 2007 than he was in 2003.
Still not sure how anyone can put THAT much importance into SB wins in football. I completely understand in basketball, but man Brady was better in 2007 than he was in 2003.
I'd love to hear the logic behind "NBA Championship? We can count that. Super Bowl? Pfft."
I also don't buy the "Brady has done more with less" argument. Look what happened to the Colts when Peyton missed that season due to injury. They instantly went from Superbowl contender to getting the first pick in the draft. Peyton makes everyone around him better, even his running backs. If he can win one or two more rings this won't even be a question, but even without I still believe Peyton is the best QB of this generation.
You could def make an argument for the coaching staff having a major impact as well. Having Belichick as your head coach for all those years def doesn't hurt Brady's chances at greatness. The fact that Peyton has gotten where he is on two different teams with various coaching changes and offensive systems speaks volumes to his own personal consistency.
I get sick of how this argument goes AGAINST Brady. Tony Dungy will get hall of fame votes and John Fox is one of the best coaches in football. The people who say Belichick made Brady are, ironically, the same people who say Brady made Belichick.
Look it's certainly a debate, I'm not saying it isn't. But IF Brady had won that game in Mile High this past weekend, wouldn't that have been the final nail in the coffin for Brady vs. Manning? That's what I was trying to say.
Still not sure how anyone can put THAT much importance into SB wins in football. I completely understand in basketball, but man Brady was better in 2007 than he was in 2003.
I'd love to hear the logic behind "NBA Championship? We can count that. Super Bowl? Pfft."
well in basketball there are only five players playing both ways. Any one person is able to have a much greater impact on a game than any one player in football... the ultimate team sport. I don't think ri gs are everythi g when judging a player especially in the nfl. Like eli is better than marino? Or peyton?
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You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
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Usually when it comes to sports I always take sang_xcx opinion into consideration, and go the opposite way. So, clearly I'll go with Manning.
if you could trade for one of them to play for your awful team. which one would you want?
I would honestly take Manning. I think Manning has the superior skill set. Probably the smartest QB to ever play the game, and while he doesn't have a rocket for a arm he's fairly accurate. Sure Tom has more rings than Manning, but so does Terry Bradshaw so rings are a moot point to me. I think if you put Manning in Bradys circumstance that you can make a case that he'll do better. If you put Tom in Mannings circumstance he probably performs about the same.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
sang_xcx
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if you could trade for one of them to play for your awful team. which one would you want?
I would honestly take Manning. I think Manning has the superior skill set. Probably the smartest QB to ever play the game, and while he doesn't have a rocket for a arm he's fairly accurate. Sure Tom has more rings than Manning, but so does Terry Bradshaw so rings are a moot point to me. I think if you put Manning in Bradys circumstance that you can make a case that he'll do better. If you put Tom in Mannings circumstance he probably performs about the same.
I disagree. if Brady had the weapons that Manning had he would have won more than he did.
