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Post by itrainmonkeys on Mar 30, 2015 12:50:26 GMT -5
Looks like Jay-Z is going after the streaming game. I know Apple and Trent Reznor are working on Beats streaming service. Lots of big names in that commercial....but will either of these be able to topple Spotify?
Post by itrainmonkeys on Mar 30, 2015 12:51:33 GMT -5
Jay Z wants you to know that Tidal, the Scandinavian high-fidelity streaming service that he bought earlier this month, is a big deal. So he didn’t just get some of music’s biggest stars to tweet about the service’s big relaunch, which is happening today. He got them all to change their social media avatars (on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube, in addition to Twitter) to a violent light-blue square and ask their fans for “support,” as if this was a protest movement or something. That’s pretty gross, Jay!
Tidal is relaunching in the U.S. around 5PM eastern today, according to a countdown clock on the streaming service’s site. The service doesn’t have a free option like Spotify; it’s going for $19.99 a month for lossless hi-fidelity streaming quality, or $9.99 for standard audio quality. The service has deals with every major label, and it’s promising curated playlists and editorial content, as well. Right now, it has every Taylor Swift album streaming, whereas Swift pulled all her music from Spotify last year. And Jay is making a “special announcement” at a launch event in NYC this afternoon. It seems entirely possible that Jay’s Roc Nation management clients Kanye West and/or Rihanna could surprise-release their new albums as Tidal exclusives.
In the meantime, Jay got Twitter and Facebook support from a parade of luminaries that includes West, Rihanna, Madonna, Daft Punk, Arcade Fire, Beyoncé, Diddy, Coldplay, Jack White’s Third Man Records, Calvin Harris, Usher, and Nicki Minaj. Observe:
I don't think so. About 80% of Spotify users don't even pay premium, and I don't see the ones that do switching over to pay more. I wouldn't be surprised if more artists pull from Spotify to be exclusive to one streaming service or another, but then fans aren't going to want to pay $50 a month in different streaming services, nor will they want to have to switch between different apps to listen to different artists. If anything I just see this as pushing the consumer base towards pirating.
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I don't think so. About 80% of Spotify users don't even pay premium, and I don't see the ones that do switching over to pay more. I wouldn't be surprised if more artists pull from Spotify to be exclusive to one streaming service or another, but then fans aren't going to want to pay $50 a month in different streaming services, nor will they want to have to switch between different apps to listen to different artists. If anything I just see this as pushing the consumer base towards pirating.
That is actually what I was thinking. If they start pulling, I will just start pirating again. It shouldn't have to be like that. They need an option that is open to the music listener that doesn't have the money to pay a subscription.
I don't think so. About 80% of Spotify users don't even pay premium, and I don't see the ones that do switching over to pay more. I wouldn't be surprised if more artists pull from Spotify to be exclusive to one streaming service or another, but then fans aren't going to want to pay $50 a month in different streaming services, nor will they want to have to switch between different apps to listen to different artists. If anything I just see this as pushing the consumer base towards pirating.
Wow, I didn't realize so many people use it for free!
Post by itrainmonkeys on Mar 30, 2015 12:58:37 GMT -5
Making some artists exclusive to only certain streaming platforms will increase piracy IMO. People liked Spotify because they didn't have to download artists they want to hear. If the option is "pay for this streaming service to get Kanye and Rhianna, pay for this streaming service to get My Morning Jacket and Neil Young, and pay for this streaming service to get Nine Inch Nails and Dr. Dre" then we'll start to see more people stealing music again IMO.
I don't think so. About 80% of Spotify users don't even pay premium, and I don't see the ones that do switching over to pay more. I wouldn't be surprised if more artists pull from Spotify to be exclusive to one streaming service or another, but then fans aren't going to want to pay $50 a month in different streaming services, nor will they want to have to switch between different apps to listen to different artists. If anything I just see this as pushing the consumer base towards pirating.
I've been on that pirate game for awhile. Since napster. I will on the occasion pay for music through itunes (ugh apple) but that's about it, never for streaming. I'll pay to see the artist live though... that's gotta count for something? right??
I don't think so. About 80% of Spotify users don't even pay premium, and I don't see the ones that do switching over to pay more. I wouldn't be surprised if more artists pull from Spotify to be exclusive to one streaming service or another, but then fans aren't going to want to pay $50 a month in different streaming services, nor will they want to have to switch between different apps to listen to different artists. If anything I just see this as pushing the consumer base towards pirating.
I've been on that pirate game for awhile. Since napster. I will on the occasion pay for music through itunes (ugh apple) but that's about it, never for streaming. I'll pay to see the artist live though... that's gotta count for something? right??
Me too (mostly). I will support artists by buying the album if I love it after I download it, also I buy $5 albums from Amazon. I go to shows and I buy merch, which is my justification. I will not pay for streaming though. Period. If I can't hear it on the free streaming player of my choice, I will do what I have to do. I am a horrible person.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Mar 30, 2015 13:29:29 GMT -5
Seems like something rich people think is a good investment. Im fine with annoying Spotify ads every once in awhile if it means its free. Im worried Tidal sucks some Spotify's content, but think pay only streaming services are just flops waiting to happen.
I see Spotify and streaming as a compromise. I think artist think they won against piracy, when really people just have backed off making the next best thing to steal music due to these streaming services.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Mar 30, 2015 13:37:41 GMT -5
I'm switching. I already pay $10 for Spotify premium. $20 a month is perfectly reasonable for Hi-Fi streaming (and Sonos compatibility). I'll have in essence replaced my entire iTunes library with FLAC by getting Tidal.
I've been using Tidal for a few months now and its great if what you are looking for is CD quality (16/44.1) streaming. Its something I've been wanting for a really long time.
I don't actually "stream" a whole lot, I mostly download albums to store locally via the Tidal app on my phone over wifi. Sound is fantastic.
It's not a service for everyone, definitely niche. I was surprised about the Jay-Z acquisition.
I'm switching. I already pay $10 for Spotify premium. $20 a month is perfectly reasonable for Hi-Fi streaming (and Sonos compatibility). I'll have in essence replaced my entire iTunes library with FLAC by getting Tidal.
I was under the impression Tidal only streamed FLAC from your computer, and otherwise it streams the same as Spotify Premium (320). Any insight on this?
I'm switching. I already pay $10 for Spotify premium. $20 a month is perfectly reasonable for Hi-Fi streaming (and Sonos compatibility). I'll have in essence replaced my entire iTunes library with FLAC by getting Tidal.
I was under the impression Tidal only streamed FLAC from your computer, and otherwise it streams the same as Spotify Premium (320). Any insight on this?
You can set it up for "HiFi" streaming quality on your phone, been doing it for months. The files are certainly the size of CDs. However, if you wish to save bandwidth you can set it to stream at a lower quality as well.
I was under the impression Tidal only streamed FLAC from your computer, and otherwise it streams the same as Spotify Premium (320). Any insight on this?
You can set it up for "HiFi" streaming quality on your phone, been doing it for months. The files are certainly the size of CDs. However, if you wish to save bandwidth you can set it to stream at a lower quality as well.
I'd want the FLAC quality for home use any way. I guess I didn't specifically check if you can synch to Sonos from a desktop, but of have to believe you can. My phone doesn't have the data or memory for FLAC.
Post by Billadelphia on Mar 30, 2015 15:29:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. I'm pretty entrenched in the Spotify community at this point, and I'm content streaming at 320. FLAC is a great option for those who want it though.
I'm going to be really bummed if a lot of artists become exclusive to a single provider. The consumer loses if that's the case.
You can set it up for "HiFi" streaming quality on your phone, been doing it for months. The files are certainly the size of CDs. However, if you wish to save bandwidth you can set it to stream at a lower quality as well.
I'd want the FLAC quality for home use any way. I guess I didn't specifically check if you can synch to Sonos from a desktop, but of have to believe you can. My phone doesn't have the data or memory for FLAC.
I don't have any Sonos equipment, but by all accounts Tidal works great with Sonos. I'm sure you'll be able to stream to Sonos losslessly from a desktop.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Mar 30, 2015 15:46:00 GMT -5
I just use iTunes for my library and Spotify for stuff I don't own. Also, Google Music's "Play" thing is good to stream my iTunes library from (though I'm running out of room soon).
I need to read more about this service, though. I'm assuming there will be some artists not on the service, similar to how Spotify is missing a few names. It seems like a lot of artists are on board for this just based on the marketing so I'm assuming this will pay better for the streaming than Spotify currently is.
What ITM said. Tidal is a service where the artist is taking more control of the payout. I do like Spotify as a Service, but dislike what the artist is paid. I am not sure if people are will leave Spotify when they are getting free music streamed. I can see Tidal taking a chunk of their paid listeners if Spotify loses artists to them.
Care to elaborate? Can't watch the stream right now. Is that a "good" ridiculous?
It's over. A bunch of artists got on stage (they're all owners in some way). Daft Punk and Deadmau5 all had helmets on, Calvin Harris and Chris Martin were videod in, sitting on their couches in t-shirts. Madonna was awkward (and had to stand next to Deadmau5). Alicia Keys gave a crappy speech that quoted Hendrix and Nietzsche. No actual detail was given about how this was good for artists. Then everyone signed a "Declaration" and walked off stage. Then this video played.
I just use iTunes for my library and Spotify for stuff I don't own. Also, Google Music's "Play" thing is good to stream my iTunes library from (though I'm running out of room soon).
I need to read more about this service, though. I'm assuming there will be some artists not on the service, similar to how Spotify is missing a few names. It seems like a lot of artists are on board for this just based on the marketing so I'm assuming this will pay better for the streaming than Spotify currently is.
Over the past few months there has been very little I have not been able to find on Tidal, and stuff shows up there just as quickly as it shows up on other streaming services.
I just use iTunes for my library and Spotify for stuff I don't own. Also, Google Music's "Play" thing is good to stream my iTunes library from (though I'm running out of room soon).
I need to read more about this service, though. I'm assuming there will be some artists not on the service, similar to how Spotify is missing a few names. It seems like a lot of artists are on board for this just based on the marketing so I'm assuming this will pay better for the streaming than Spotify currently is.
Over the past few months there has been very little I have not been able to find on Tidal, and stuff shows up there just as quickly as it shows up on other streaming services.
Do they have the full Radiohead/Atoms for Peace/Thom Yorke catalogs? They played "National Anthem" while they signed the declaration thingy.
Care to elaborate? Can't watch the stream right now. Is that a "good" ridiculous?
It's over. A bunch of artists got on stage (their all owners in some way). Daft Punk and Deadmau5 all had helmets on, Calvin Harris and Chris Martin were videod in, sitting on their couches in t-shirts. Madonna was awkward (and had to stand next to Deadmau5).
I just use iTunes for my library and Spotify for stuff I don't own. Also, Google Music's "Play" thing is good to stream my iTunes library from (though I'm running out of room soon).
I need to read more about this service, though. I'm assuming there will be some artists not on the service, similar to how Spotify is missing a few names. It seems like a lot of artists are on board for this just based on the marketing so I'm assuming this will pay better for the streaming than Spotify currently is.
Over the past few months there has been very little I have not been able to find on Tidal, and stuff shows up there just as quickly as it shows up on other streaming services.
I guess it's going to come down to exclusivity then. Because I'm fine with not having Taylor Swift or a few other artists but if big names like Jay-Z, Kanye, Beyonce, etc. all start to pull their catalogs from Spotify then I could see that causing an influx of new subscribers.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Mar 30, 2015 16:43:39 GMT -5
Jack White was right for the 1.2 seconds he talked in this. The average person has no idea about sound quality. Sorry to burst the bubble, but the average person isnt going to pay $20 for something they will "hear better" if there is a free version to counter it.