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OMG that might be the most pathetic thing I've seen in all of sports. Seriously, how can a team that rolls out Richard Sherman every Sunday pull the "class" card?
I guess that's what happens when half of your fanbase are spoiled bandwagoners who began watching the NFL four years ago.
What's wrong with Richard Sherman?
I think "classy" is someone who gives a generic, bland response to any and all questions; someone who only responds to success by thanking his teammates. They never question the NFL's decisions or actions, nor do they ever say anything of any substance.
Someone like Sherman who gives honest, intelligent answers or comments during press conferences or shows any emotion is a thug, arrogant, and/or misguided. Someone who refuses to respond to the media because they either a) don't want to be fake by giving bland answers, or b) don't want to be called classless for giving honest answers, is also criticized for being stubborn and ignorant (Marshawn Lynch).
While I'm defending these Seahawks players, they are still one of my least favorite teams. I hate them because I'm jealous of their talent and success, and because their fanbase pulls shit like petitioning to ban Cam Newton from their stadium.
Full disclosure - unabashed Seahawks fan and I love Richard Sherman. I also think Cam Newton is perfectly fine, even as I continue to think he's overrated and shouldn't be the MVP. I wish this small contingency of Seahawks fans who insist on all this petition bullshit would shut the fuck up, because they're basically turning into football's version of St. Louis Cardinals fans and fuck them all sideways for that.
I don't understand how you can think Cam Newton shouldn't be the MVP? He has turned Ted "No Hands" Ginn Jr. into a fucking stud. He is consistent as all hell and the reason for the Panther's continued success in making the playoffs the last couple of years, not to mention him getting them to the Superbowl.
Published on Jan. 27, 2016 | Updated on Jan. 28, 2016 Cam Newton was tired of walking on the eggshells, so on Wednesday he decided to treat them the way he does defenders near the goal line — doing him, giving caution the middle finger and crushing them.
Newton, has been shaped and molded for the public eye since 2010, when he hijacked college football and led Auburn to a national title on his way to capturing the Heisman Trophy. So he knows not only what to say and when to say it, but how much to say about it. But 11 days before he's set to lead the Panthers against the Broncos in Super Bowl 50, he finally addressed the elephant in the room that has made his five years in the NFL more anomalous than any great quarterback of his era — race. After getting it off his brawny chest, the 6-5, 245-pounder who controls everything on the field may have never felt more free off it.
"I said it since Day 1. I'm an African-American quarterback," Newton said. "That may scare a lot of people because they haven’t seen nothing that they can compare me to. It’s funny, I get inspired; it makes me go out there and practice even harder."
Newton, knowing the criticism his words might arouse, was initially reluctant to respond when asked why he's more polarizing than other superstar athletes, but he'd had enough. Haters are going to hate regardless.
"I think this is a trick question, because if I answer it truthfully, it's going to be, 'Oh, he's this, that.' But I'm going to say it anyway. I don't think people have seen what I am or what I'm trying to do, and I said that prior to me being in this situation. But when I said it then — 'Oh, he's immature. Oh, he's young. He's this, that and the third.' It's like I felt a certain type of way then, I feel the same type of way now. Nothing's pretty much changed."
He added: "They talk about maturity with me; they talk about skill set with this team. Nobody has changed. It’s been the same Ted Ginn that was drafted by the Miami Dolphins. It’s the same Jerricho Cotchery, the same Philly Brown, the same Cam Newton. Nothing’s changed. The only thing (that) has changed is that we’re winning."
Who knows if Newton has ever heard Mos Def and Talib Kweli's "Thieves in the Night", a song inspired by the Toni Morrison novel "The Bluest Eye", but nonetheless his drop-the-mic-moment in front of a room full of reporters in Charlotte personified their prose. They simultaneously depicted the muted existences minorities must lead while trying to thrive in a majority-dominated environment and declared his independence from having to fit anyone's standard of who he should be.
It's why, according to research done by the Center for Talent Evaluation, more than a third of blacks feel as if they have to "compromise their authenticity" to conform to corporate culture.
Consider this passage from a story published in The Atlantic in 2015:
"In particular, black professionals had to be very careful to show feelings of conviviality and pleasantness, even — especially — in response to racial issues. They felt that emotions of anger, frustration, and annoyance were discouraged, even when they worked in settings where these emotions were generally welcomed in certain contexts..."
Newton has dealt with unfair criticism since he declared for the draft.
He couldn't simply be young, the way he was when he entered the NFL as a 22-year-old. He was labeled immature. He couldn't be a fiery competitor who hated losing more than he enjoys winning, just like Tom Brady. He was tapped as a locker room cancer that alienated himself from his teammates and was often written off as incapable of leading a group of men to the Promised Land despite having done it at nearly every level on which he had played.
What we witnessed during Wednesday's press conference was the biggest victory of Newton's career even if he prevails against Peyton Manning and Denver next Sunday. We saw a man getting free.
Let's face it, although he's clean-cut, Newton will never be universally loved and accepted in the 'hood and on HGTV like his good friend Stephen Curry. His past is too checkered. More than seven years ago, he was arrested on charges of accepting a stolen laptop. Then, while he was being recruited by Division I schools after attending Blinn College, his father may or may not have accepted money in exchange for his son's signature. Both acts are unpardonable sins (just kidding); however, that is certainly enough evidence for the faultless, blameless masses hell-bent on hating on Newton forever to feel justified for doing so. He's finally tired of attempting to appease those folks.
"It’s like, here I am, I’m doing exactly what I want to do, how I want to do it," Newton said. "When I look in the mirror, it’s me. Nobody changed me. Nobody made me act a certain type of way and I’m true to my roots. It feels great, but yet, people are going to say whatever they want to say. And if I’m in this world living for that person — 'Oh, this person is going to say this, this person is going to say that' — then I can’t look at myself and say I’m Cam Newton, or I'm Cameron Newton to most people. Because I’m not, because I’m living for you."
That's refreshing to hear. It's just a shame he had to have an MVP season and lead his team to the Super Bowl in order to stand up and say it. That's an indictment against all of us. Let Cam Newton be the champ the way he wants to be the champ.
I don't understand how you can think Cam Newton shouldn't be the MVP? He has turned Ted "No Hands" Ginn Jr. into a fucking stud. He is consistent as all hell and the reason for the Panther's continued success in making the playoffs the last couple of years, not to mention him getting them to the Superbowl.
He didn't get them to the Superbowl, first of all. If anything, I'd say their defense having a monster year is more responsible for that than anything. When they beat the Seahawks two weeks ago, I wasn't afraid at all that Newton would take over the game, I was terrified that Kuechly & co. would - which is exactly what happened. Second, his numbers are remarkably pedestrian, and would be among the worst for any QB who ever won MVP. His regular season DYAR placed him 16th in the league, behind such luminaries as Kirk Cousins, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor. He had seven games this season with a passer rating of under 80, which was tied for the league lead with Nick Foles and Teddy Bridgewater. There's no statistical argument for Cam Newton, really - at least not one that holds up. He's getting rewarded for his team going 15-1, which is the equivalent of giving CC Sabathia the Cy Young because he won 21 games.
I'll agree with you it's not proven statistically. If you watched all his games, (i unfortunately didn't) but of the ten or so that I saw this season, the games where the team was behind in the third or fourth quarter, or neck and neck with the other teams, he got his team back on the board or took the lead by being the great leader he is. Fuck stats in this situation, I don't think MVP is solely based on stats. When the saints put up 30+ points on the Panthers and Cam's down two scores in the fourth quarter and everyone thinks the game is over, he still triumphed over the division rival in the fucking Superdome. You being a Seahawks fan, can honestly say that it was the defense in the game two weeks ago against Seattle when the defense who scored a majority of the points in the first half let up a whopping 24 unanswered points in the second half, makes no sense to me. Russell Wilson exposed the fuck out of that defense in the second half. Also as a Cowboys fan, I hate the redskins, but don't speak ill of Kirk Cousins, he's a fucking stud and T-Mobile is an exceptional quarterback as well, just doesn't have the team to back him up and unfortunately discovered his connection with Sammy a little too late in the season.
FWIW, I'd probably give the nod to Carson Palmer, who had an extraordinary season. If Russell Wilson had played the entire season the way he played the last 8 games, I think he'd be the clear choice, and it's a crime that Tom Brady is getting zero love despite losing his best skill players for large chunks of time over the course of the season and yet still putting up amazing numbers.
I really don't like Brady but he deserves MVP. He did so well with the amount of injuries where as Palmer had arguably the best WR group all year and two really great RBs.
I'll agree with you it's not proven statistically. If you watched all his games, (i unfortunately didn't) but of the ten or so that I saw this season, the games where the team was behind in the third or fourth quarter, or neck and neck with the other teams, he got his team back on the board or took the lead by being the great leader he is. Fuck stats in this situation, I don't think MVP is solely based on stats. When the saints put up 30+ points on the Panthers and Cam's down two scores in the fourth quarter and everyone thinks the game is over, he still triumphed over the division rival in the fucking Superdome. You being a Seahawks fan, can honestly say that it was the defense in the game two weeks ago against Seattle when the defense who scored a majority of the points in the first half let up a whopping 24 unanswered points in the second half, makes no sense to me. Russell Wilson exposed the fuck out of that defense in the second half. Also as a Cowboys fan, I hate the redskins, but don't speak ill of Kirk Cousins, he's a fucking stud and T-Mobile is an exceptional quarterback as well, just doesn't have the team to back him up and unfortunately discovered his connection with Sammy a little too late in the season.
You bringing up the Saints game is interesting, considering that Cam basically dominated the Saints, who might have fielded one of the worst defenses in NFL history this year. Also, who cares if he had a comeback in the 4th quarter against the Saints? Four QBs this year had four such 4th quarter comebacks, and nobody is out here talking up Jay Cutler for MVP. Many of Cam's big games came against teams that fielded godawful defenses, hence his truly mediocre DYAR (for the record, no QB who has ever won the MVP finished out of the top 3 in DYAR, except for Joe Montana, who was 4th). And yes, I do believe that it was the defense which won that game for the Panthers. Seattle made adjustments and did well in the second half, but Carolina's defense absolutely dominated that first half.
And you're right, MVP isn't solely based on stats, it's based on BS like "HE WON LOTZ OF GAMEZ!!!!!1" which is nonsense. People don't give enough credit to how good Carolina was as a team this year - Cam Newton is a good player, and he had a great season, but there were other players who had better seasons who are being passed over because the Panthers going 15-1 is a good angle.
Only brought up the Saints game as an example. There were many other games where he stood out. I agree his defense was a major contributor to his success, but he was a major contributor to their success because he kept them off the field moreso than on the field with his lack of 3 and out drives. Keeping the offense on field means you run the clock out, as well as keeping your defense from burning their stamina too fast. Which I think may be what happened with how explosive they were against the Seahawks. I think I might have gone 180 and with my own words proved why you're right. Damn.
I really don't like Brady but he deserves MVP. He did so well with the amount of injuries where as Palmer had arguably the best WR group all year and two really great RBs.
I still think Palmer would be a better choice, regardless of his WR group. He was stellar all year (until he hurt his finger). I'd actually put Wilson ahead of Brady, because Wilson lost Graham and Lynch, was playing behind one of the worst OLs in the entire league, and still managed to put up a historical run of numbers. The only reason I'm not homering hard for Wilson is that his first half of the season was pretty pedestrian, and I feel like if he had played a little bit better, they would have won a couple more games and been in a better position down the stretch.
Unfortunatey, MVP has lost its meaning. I realized that when JJ Watt didn't win last year I think? I think Arians should get coach of the year, Brady should get MVP, and Cam should get Offensive Player of the Year.
I still think Palmer would be a better choice, regardless of his WR group. He was stellar all year (until he hurt his finger). I'd actually put Wilson ahead of Brady, because Wilson lost Graham and Lynch, was playing behind one of the worst OLs in the entire league, and still managed to put up a historical run of numbers. The only reason I'm not homering hard for Wilson is that his first half of the season was pretty pedestrian, and I feel like if he had played a little bit better, they would have won a couple more games and been in a better position down the stretch.
Unfortunatey, MVP has lost its meaning. I realized that when JJ Watt didn't win last year I think? I think Arians should get coach of the year, Brady should get MVP, and Cam should get Offensive Player of the Year.
This is all dumb. Cam is the MVP. His stats are not impressive? He's doing things that qbs have never done. Also look at the group of wrs he has to play with. He's making Ted Ginn and Jerico Cotchery look good. Without Cam that team has a losing record.
This is all dumb. Cam is the MVP. His stats are not impressive? He's doing things that qbs have never done. Also look at the group of wrs he has to play with. He's making Ted Ginn and Jerico Cotchery look good. Without Cam that team has a losing record.
...what is he doing that QBs have never done? Do you even watch the NFL? Without Aaron Rodgers the Packers win 3 games. Without Russell Wilson, Seattle wins maybe 5. Take Tom Brady away from the Patriots and they'd be lucky to make the playoffs. The whole "without X that team would have a losing record" is bullshit, particularly in this case where the Panthers also had a stellar run game, one of the 3 best tight ends in the league, and a defense that features numerous Pro Bowlers and was out of its minds this year. I'd argue that you could put someone like Tyrod Taylor on that team and they'd still have won the NFC South this year, the way they played. His stats aren't impressive, bottom line. Completion percentage, yards, yards/attempt, rating...nothing mindblowing. He adds an extra dimension with his legs, but at the risk of homerism, he only had about 80 more yards on the ground this year than Wilson did. He scored plenty of rushing TDs because he was a great option by the goal line (and because other teams had to respect Stewart and Olsen in the red zone), but using that as a metric is like saying someone should be the MVP of the NL because they had a lot of RBIs.
He's a big part of the run game. He's putting up rushing numbers that other qbs haven't. You act like all that counts is the passing stats. MVP is most valuable player right? While what you say about those other qbs may be true, Cam was the most valuable to his team this year. If you put Tyrod on that team they would be 8-8 at best. Great defense, no offense.
2 weeks ago Aaron Rodgers threw an amazing 60 yard pass on his off-foot with defenders coming down on him. It put them into overtime where they quickly lost (leaving Fitzgerald undefended?!) I'll call that the play of the year. But I do think Cam deserves MVP.
Edit: Green Bay has always been my team and I live in Charlotte, so my opinions may carry bias.
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He's a big part of the run game. He's putting up rushing numbers that other qbs haven't. You act like all that counts is the passing stats. MVP is most valuable player right? While what you say about those other qbs may be true, Cam was the most valuable to his team this year. If you put Tyrod on that team they would be 8-8 at best. Great defense, no offense.
...have you even looked at the rushing stats of other QBs? Because what you're saying is flat out untrue. And no, I think it's easily arguable that he wasn't the "most valuable to his team this year." As stated, the Panthers had a killer defense, a stud running back, great coaching, and a tight end who is one of the most under-appreciated offensive weapons in the league. Please stick to the college football thread, where you can be as wrong as you'd like about shit I don't care about.
He is the first player in NFL history to post 340 yards in the air and 100 rush yards in the same game. He became just the second player in NFL history with 300 pass yards and 100 rush yards in the same game, joining Russell Wilson from 2014.
He became the first player in NFL history with 100 rushing yards and 5 passing touchdowns.
Those stats are just from the Giants game.
Newton's already at 43 rushing touchdowns for his career, which ties him with Steve Young's NFL record for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback. He did this in 5 years.
So there's a couple of things he's done that no other qbs have done before. I'm not sure if you're aware but I use to fucking hate Cam Newton. As you probably do know , I've never had a real favorite pro team. I go back and forth between Falcons and Panthers. But I pretty much went with the Falcons until this year, when I got over my hatred of Cam. That hatred stems from back when he was in college. So it's not like I'm really a Panthers homer. I think it's just obvious how amazing he was this season and how he's the clear MVP. It shouldn't even be an argument really. If you're arguing it's because you have your own biases.
I think Cam is the MVP because he's the best player on the best team and that's usually who wins.
Eh, not really. Aaron Rodgers won last year, and the Packers weren't the best. Adrian Peterson won in 2012 when the Vikings barely made the playoffs. The award generally goes to someone who has stood out statistically in some meaningful way, even if their team didn't have the gaudiest record, which is the opposite of what happened this year.
Well no one had a better record than the Packers last year, and Adrian Peterson's 2012 season was historic, 8 yards away from the most rushing yards in a season ever.
Like I said, I've yet to see one argument for Cam as MVP which doesn't boil down to "HE'S GOOD" or "HE WINS GAMES." He's an exciting player in that he doesn't fit the typical QB prototype, he's flashy and genial and his team had a stellar record, but there's nothing that anyone can point to outside of anecdotal evidence to support their case. And that's not even bringing up the fact that the numbers that he has came against almost entirely against weak defenses.
I think Cam is the MVP because he's the best player on the best team and that's usually who wins.
Eh, not really. Aaron Rodgers won last year, and the Packers weren't the best. Adrian Peterson won in 2012 when the Vikings barely made the playoffs. The award generally goes to someone who has stood out statistically in some meaningful way, even if their team didn't have the gaudiest record, which is the opposite of what happened this year.
Well no one had a better record than the Packers last year, and Adrian Peterson's 2012 season was historic, 8 yards away from the most rushing yards in a season ever.
If you want to go further back, Shaun Alexander and LDT each won it about 10 years ago. And yes, generally, the award tends to go to the QB on one of the best teams...except generally, those QBs are much better than 18th overall in DYAR. Honestly, if a couple of breaks had gone wrong for the Panthers, and they wound up at, say, 13-3, but Newton put up the exact same numbers, does anyone think we'd even be having this conversation? It would be between Palmer and Brady and that would be the end of it. And I think that's really telling.
I mean I don't particularly care one way or the other, my main point was that he's going to win because he's the stand out player on the best team, but I think we agree on that. I think the fact that no one expected the Panthers to be anywhere close to 15-1 also pretty much cements it.
Of course I do. This is his year. He's a big story, he's in the Super Bowl, his team is a nice surprise with a massive record, he's a shoe in. It's legit no different from some random dude on the Tigers or whatever winning 22 games and getting the Cy Young despite having merely "good" peripherals. Besides, most sportswriters are knuckleheads who don't know shit about statistics, advanced or otherwise, so they're going to see the big, dynamic quarterback with 15 wins and say "well, sure!"
Ok cause just clearing that up I think half the people here would stop arguing with you. And I agree with you about the stats but like you said most of the voters aren't aware/care/or willing to consider things like DYAR or other advanced metrics. There gonna look at things like total TDs, qb rating, maybe qbr and on those metrics Cam is a much better candidate, couple that with a 15-1 record and you got yourself and MVP.
Of course I do. This is his year. He's a big story, he's in the Super Bowl, his team is a nice surprise with a massive record, he's a shoe in. It's legit no different from some random dude on the Tigers or whatever winning 22 games and getting the Cy Young despite having merely "good" peripherals. Besides, most sportswriters are knuckleheads who don't know shit about statistics, advanced or otherwise, so they're going to see the big, dynamic quarterback with 15 wins and say "well, sure!"
Verlander actually won 24 games that year. And led the league in WAR and WHIP and lots of other stuff. So fuck off.
It's true. I don't really keep up with baseball at all these days, and if I did, I probably wouldn't follow a soul-deadening team like the Tigers. I had zero idea that Verlander won 24 games in a year. I assume that if he was that dominant, they must have won the World Series! Probably even a couple of them! Congrats!
Wait'll you hear about the Triple Crown Miguel Cabrera won, douche.
I'm watching The Simpsons, and a 1997 episode has a scene where Marge, Bart, and Lisa are riding the subway in NYC. One of the subway ads says "Can you throw a football? Call 1-800-4NY-Jets"
Can anyone remember a Jets quarterback in the last 20 years that was above average for them?
I'm watching The Simpsons, and a 1997 episode has a scene where Marge, Bart, and Lisa are riding the subway in NYC. One of the subway ads says "Can you throw a football? Call 1-800-4NY-Jets"
Can anyone remember a Jets quarterback in the last 20 years that was above average for them?
favre, even though it was only for a season and he threw the same amount of picks as he did touchdowns.