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Thinking about going on cafe press tomorrow and making a McConnell is a Traitor bumper sticker. Fuck that guy. Fuck all his support. Fuck almost all Republicans at this point too. Sold out the country for politics.
"President" Biden is going to end up punching some dictator or their spouse or a child protester. You could really tell he wanted to punch that reporter in the face.
"President" Biden is going to end up punching some dictator or their spouse or a child protester. You could really tell he wanted to punch that reporter in the face.
"President" Biden is going to end up punching some dictator or their spouse or a child protester. You could really tell he wanted to punch that reporter in the face.
Hopefully we can do enough work in the south to avoid him getting close.
Since Gritty is the mascot for any future revolution I guess this is on topic. The police are investigating weither or not he punched a 12 year old fan at a meet and greet. Sounds like Cointelpro, imo.
They are really flirting with some more Trump years.
Of course this "inside scoop" gets the message across as well. We aren't stupid.
As someone who always liked and appreciated Obama, despite some of his most glaring mistakes and failures, he's been slowly losing my respect since Trump took office. Trump has done everything he could to dismantle Obama's entire legacy, but Obama has almost entirely sat on the sidelines and not said anything.
And he's worried about a Sanders presidency?! A Sanders presidency would mean a Trump loss in 2020. But Sanders is what he's worried about?
Isn't the Democratic electorate already somewhat fractured? I think it was emoney several months ago that said it was the primary season and that's the time to fight shit out internally. Many on the left and certainly many Sanders supporters here feel like any moderate or more centrist candidate is a rehash of a losing formula. FWIW, harder right Republicans made that argument after Obama beat McCain and after he beat Romney.
Many in the middle (as well as apparently "the establishment") think that a more left-leaning candidate can't win the general election because they would be easy to define and defeat. This is apparently also the M.O. of the Trump administration who believes that Bernie is a much easier target for them than Biden. Khlobucher has made the argument that the best way to pull forward is to drag in lots of legislative and down-ballot candidates which she believes can only happen from the middle. Some have said that "The Squad" represents the future of the Democratic Party and the left side of American politics. Others have said that while they get in the headlines pretty often, the reason the house flipped was more due to moderate Democrats winning in districts that were more swing-oriented.
I'm not making a value judgment on any of the arguments over what wins or doesn't because I have no idea how it will play out in the fall. I think people who do are fooling themselves that they can predict the future one way or another. Whatever happens though and however hostile the candidates get with one another through the primary season, there has to be a way for a left candidate or a moderate candidate to close ranks and unite people to vote for them. (Based on Sanders and Biden being the current front-runners) It remains to be seen whether Bernie can energize the middle to get enough votes (or whether he can energize traditional non-voting or less-likely-to-vote blocs of voters) or whether Biden can stir the left enough. I don't see a Biden-Bernie compromise ticket as particularly likely, so they will likely need each other's help in some capacity.
They are really flirting with some more Trump years.
Of course this "inside scoop" gets the message across as well. We aren't stupid.
As someone who always liked and appreciated Obama, despite some of his most glaring mistakes and failures, he's been slowly losing my respect since Trump took office. Trump has done everything he could to dismantle Obama's entire legacy, but Obama has almost entirely sat on the sidelines and not said anything.
And he's worried about a Sanders presidency?! A Sanders presidency would mean a Trump loss in 2020. But Sanders is what he's worried about?
It's really difficult to say what role an ex-president should have in criticizing their replacement. When you have someone like Trump, speaking up could make him behave even worse. Who knows? But in general, the norm seems to be that ex-leaders shouldn't butt in. Still, it's certainly makes it more off-putting when he publicly talks down to segments of his own party but stays mostly silent on more pressing matters.
The easy answer is he's an elite and he's looking out for his class interests. Or maybe he really is scared of big bad socialism. A third would be that Bernie actually means to bring the change Obama promessed. Maybe he's proteting his "legacy". Whatever it is, I don't really care what he has to say on the matter.
Isn't the Democratic electorate already somewhat fractured? I think it was emoney several months ago that said it was the primary season and that's the time to fight shit out internally. Many on the left and certainly many Sanders supporters here feel like any moderate or more centrist candidate is a rehash of a losing formula. FWIW, harder right Republicans made that argument after Obama beat McCain and after he beat Romney.
Many in the middle (as well as apparently "the establishment") think that a more left-leaning candidate can't win the general election because they would be easy to define and defeat. This is apparently also the M.O. of the Trump administration who believes that Bernie is a much easier target for them than Biden. Khlobucher has made the argument that the best way to pull forward is to drag in lots of legislative and down-ballot candidates which she believes can only happen from the middle. Some have said that "The Squad" represents the future of the Democratic Party and the left side of American politics. Others have said that while they get in the headlines pretty often, the reason the house flipped was more due to moderate Democrats winning in districts that were more swing-oriented.
I'm not making a value judgment on any of the arguments over what wins or doesn't because I have no idea how it will play out in the fall. I think people who do are fooling themselves that they can predict the future one way or another. Whatever happens though and however hostile the candidates get with one another through the primary season, there has to be a way for a left candidate or a moderate candidate to close ranks and unite people to vote for them. (Based on Sanders and Biden being the current front-runners) It remains to be seen whether Bernie can energize the middle to get enough votes (or whether he can energize traditional non-voting or less-likely-to-vote blocs of voters) or whether Biden can stir the left enough. I don't see a Biden-Bernie compromise ticket as particularly likely, so they will likely need each other's help in some capacity.
I wasn't referring to electablity*. When I say it could fraction the party I mean that if the left senses they are getting cheated they will not show up for anyone else. People like Obama and Clinton risk driving off a lot of voters if they get involved because it can be seen as putting their hands on the scale. They need to just sit back and let it play out. There's nothing positive they can do right now. But this goes further than just ideological split. There are people from all over the ideological spectrum that like Bernie. They risk running them off as well.
It could work both ways. Clinton’s failure to energize black voters in the Great Lakes (taking them for granted basically) was a big reason she didn’t carry Michigan at a minimum. Black voters seem to love Joe Biden for whatever reason. I don’t know that any other white candidate carries his weight - at least not yet. I know what you were getting across and wasn’t really addressing electability itself - more about what happens later on. That’s what I’m commenting on and why I didn’t quote your post but only referenced it. Sorry it that didn’t translate.
Anyone who wants Trump out has to be cognizant of the fractured electorate. For all the people who support Sanders, I favor him fwiw, there are still necessary voters who fear “omg socialism.” What they do may have a big impact on the next election. That’s why I’m saying that whoever wins the nomination has work to do.
I haven't paid much attention to the trial, simply because we all know nothing matters. Republicans will just acquit because they care more about partisanship and their odds of being re-elected than doing what's best for the country.
The best chance of getting rid of Trump is at the ballot. And that's if they don't cheat to win. Which they probably will.
It could work both ways. Clinton’s failure to energize black voters in the Great Lakes (taking them for granted basically) was a big reason she didn’t carry Michigan at a minimum. Black voters seem to love Joe Biden for whatever reason. I don’t know that any other white candidate carries his weight - at least not yet. I know what you were getting across and wasn’t really addressing electability itself - more about what happens later on. That’s what I’m commenting on and why I didn’t quote your post but only referenced it. Sorry it that didn’t translate.
Anyone who wants Trump out has to be cognizant of the fractured electorate. For all the people who support Sanders, I favor him fwiw, there are still necessary voters who fear “omg socialism.” What they do may have a big impact on the next election. That’s why I’m saying that whoever wins the nomination has work to do.
Well, yes. Nobody is saying the winner doesn't have to work to unite the party after the primary. I'm not talking about the same thing. I'm pointing out that it's stupid for Dem leaders like Clinton and Obama to get involved. If Sanders loses he needs to lose with as little precieved establishment influence as possible. It's a matter of not running off potential voters the Dems need. It's a question of political savvyness and understanding the electorate. Obama tends to be good at this. Which is why I don't think he'll make a public statement but is likely fine with his concerns finding their way to the press. You could make the same argument for anyone's supports if their candidate is getting unfair treatment.
I think your assessment of the African American vote is a little monolithic. People made the same argument that black voters loved Clinton and the people you're talking about in Michigan didn't show up then. Why would it be different for Joe? Their issues with the Dems aren't being addressed by nominating anothe establishment Dem. He's actually got a more moderate record than Clinton and has much worse voting record when it comes to impact on African American communities. Things that the GOP and Russian trolls and whoever else can use to dissuade voters from coming out for him.
When the media talk about the African American vote in the primary they usually focus on the South(wrongly imo) because they make up a large part of potential delegates. For example, North Georgia has very little impact on the state Dem vote so our delegate portion is nowhere near as rich as Atlanta or Augusta... or basically any district southwest of Atlanta. As we've discussed before, Southerners tend to be more conservative in their voting but it's complicated. It doesn't mean they are necessarily moderate. A lot of people vote based on perceived electability. Which could mean numerous , ever-evolving things to people(as you said, nobody actually knows what the hell is electable) It doesn't necessarily mean they love Biden. It could just mean he's a household name. Or he's trusted because he was Obama's VP. Or CNN and local party leaders have pressed the idea that moderates are most electable for years. Speaking of local leaders, a huge part of getting the southern black vote is showing up and doing the work on the ground. That gives the establishment a huge advantage because they have the infrastructure in place and know where to go and who to work with... local business folks, politicians, church leaders, etc.
So anyway, it's complicated and not all about loving Joe or whatever establishment figurehead. Some people do. Some just want the person that can win. I'll again bring up that Obama was losing most of the South to Hillary until he proved he could win the early states. Then the polls swung in his favor down here. I'm not arguing Bernie can repeat that but he can more the needle the same exact way. He's already doing it.
Or recent polling showing he gets 49% of African American college students
He leads with African Americans under 35 in most polling.
He's the second choice of Biden voters according the latest Morning Consult.
People need to remember that a lot of voters don't really care about ideology. It's why Biden is the second choice of Bernie voters in some of these polls. People are weird.
I agree with about all that. I know what you were saying - I was just offering side commentary to whoever read it on a fractured voting base.
But I think the end of your post is the most important. Bernie did great last time with younger white voters too. I think your generation is more apt to turn the country leftward in the future which was something we haven't been able to do because of corporate-invested politics and people older than me who are resistant to change (many of whom are now brainless Fox watching zombies). I think in the black community at large, older voters will still be more resistant to change but are in tune to some degree with candidates they perceive as beneficial to them and looking out for their interests. Along with name recognition and the fact that he served with Obama, Biden probably gets a pass on gaffes with many of them. His support is not monolithic in the African American community, but he's probably got the majority of that support overall. I think I saw a headline today where Senator Harris may do an endorsement. If she does, and say if Biden brings her on his team to see how she tests out with his messaging and possibly floats her name as a potential running mate, he could further solidity some of his support in the black community at large.
We've got 10 days until the Iowa Caucuses, 18 days until the NH primaries, 4 weeks until the Nevada caucuses and 5 until South Carolina.