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They started w/ more jam acts in '02 because they knew that heads would BUY tickets, travel, and camp out for 3 days to see those bands. They've been diversifying the line-up, and finding out that people might come and camp out and BUY tickets for more than just jam-schlock.
so your saying that they built roo with the jamband community because they are the true music lovers who get out there and make things like roo happen. and now that they have gotten a name for themselves because of the jamband community they are bringing in the new lineup and corporate sponsors to attract more money to the fest.
thats exactly what i am saying. and if roo is branching out to new music then surley jam would be the roots to that tree in your scenario. i guess your faliure to pick up on the vibe of what roo is all about and its roots is the reason we have different opinions on the same set of issues
also last i looked they were reducing the number of tickets to what tthey were unable to sell with last years mainstreamish lineup and jacked the price to make up for it
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Post by futurecowboy on Apr 12, 2006 9:05:02 GMT -5
I think Les was sadly mistaken. Any band signed to a label, and put on tour by said label, has something to do w/ corporate something. AC & Superfly are corporations - they were in '02 & they are in '06.
I'm just saying, it's silly to think that, b/c the organizers are trying to create a bigger/better festival by bringing in new partners that can offer them more, that they are "selling out" in some way. I don't have anything against Cat's, or really any preference for Tower, but the best business deal for AC & Superfly is the best business deal. And they may be wrong in the end - it might not be the best deal - but they seem to think it is. So more power to them. I'll keep going as long as I still think the line-ups are awesome, and for me this the best line-up yet.
Also - don't make assumptions about people you don't know. Hence the jab about your karma.
I believe they sold more tickets last year than in 2002. And I think they lowered capacity for crowd control issues to avoid the overcrowded fest they had in 2004.
I think Les was sadly mistaken. Any band signed to a label, and put on tour by said label, has something to do w/ corporate something. AC & Superfly are corporations - they were in '02 & they are in '06.
I'm just saying, it's silly to think that, b/c the organizers are trying to create a bigger/better festival by bringing in new partners that can offer them more, that they are "selling out" in some way. I don't have anything against Cat's, or really any preference for Tower, but the best business deal for AC & Superfly is the best business deal. And they may be wrong in the end - it might not be the best deal - but they seem to think it is. So more power to them. I'll keep going as long as I still think the line-ups are awesome, and for me this the best line-up yet.
well it seems that they would have done that in 05 not in 06 after they failed to sell 10000 tix in o5
and they raised the price enough to make up for those tix
and i think it was clear that it had nothing to do with creating a bigger better festival. in fact it was clear to me that it was solely based on who would pay the largest price for the spot. good business? i dont know. i know they have lost alot of there loyal fanbase. which leads me to believe this might be the last year for roo. maybe they know its the last year so they are trying to get every dime they can. or maybe not. but it wouldnt surprise me
if there is another roo we will see how long this new crowd will keep the scene alive for. the tree cant survive without its roots
There are alot of us old crowd who will still buy a ticket every year because it's Bonnaroo. That farm in Tennessee has many memories for me and I will continue to go back and make more until the fest is no longer. I have 3 'roo veterans and 6 newbies coming with me this year and the reason they are coming is not the "mainstream" lineup, but the stories and memories me and my buddies tell them that they want to become a part of. I am sure I am not the only person around who has been there every year but one who will keep going back and bringing new people every year.
well to each thier own... and most likely superfly will pull one golden egg out of thier ass, like oysterhead, that will make me serioulsy think about going. if i could see oysterhead anywhere else i wouldnt go this year. but ive already got my ticket and im not missing oysterhead, id go see them at the mtv music awars if that was the only place they were playing
to me superfly has become like walmart. sure they both have thier up sides. but im trying not to support such corporate greed. sure they need to make a buck but they dont have to gouge every cent they can get. they are making decisions that dont gel with me. and almost as important as that end of it is the fact that it appeals less and less to my tastes. lots of great music but too many main spots taken up by music im not into. i never expected the new bands to be so numerous or be filling the spots that they are this year at the roo i have experienced
if the crowd and the vibe is the same as years past i will probably be more likely to go next year but i just dont see how it could be the same. and who knows it will probably be 235 dollars a ticket. 10klf is half that with the lineup one would expect from roo
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There is alot at 10klf that suits my tastes. There is more at Bonnaroo that suits my tastes. If ticket prices go up 30 bucks again next year I'll still go, I've found that the money is well worth it. There is no denying that Bonnaroo is amazingly executed and the guys at Superfly do a great job logistically. Do I purchase from official Centeroo vendors? Never. I buy knockoff tees, food from campsite vendors, and I never use the general store. I do agree that they jackup the prices too much. But those things are convenient for those who don't care to spend the cash and who cares if the organizers make a good profit? They also donate some of the money to charity and organize a spectacular festival.
once again i am assuming your a newbie and wouldnt expect you to understand it. if youve been before you missed out on what it is all about
Man, you are a Grade A conservative jerk. No, I'm not a newbie at all- but I'm sure it's easier for you to think I was.
You point out a quote from Les in '02 about it not being corporate-- and this was with Sam Goody as a CD/DVD sales partner... so can you at least see how this could be about making money for it to exist AND about the music?
It never ceases to astound me how some people can be so closed minded and deluded.
If you are so unhappy-- please, stop making everyone else unhappy. You are the definition of a buzzkill. And your comparison to Superfly as Wal-Mart is a great example of your delusion. The fact that you would disrespect the integrity of the many artists affiliated with Bonnaroo in that way disgusts me.
Post by futurecowboy on Apr 12, 2006 10:33:34 GMT -5
I'm still baffled by the "corprate greed" thing, dude. If it were really "corporate greed", they'd have Fall Out Boy and The Game playing this festival. There are NO artists that are playing who aren't critically lauded as great musicians, though many of them aren't "jam" oriented. A lot of smaller/non-jam bands have played in years past, and they have gained a lot of fanbase from it (a la Wilco, MMJ, etc.).
I'm not saying that it's "all about the music," because it isn't. But it certainly isn't all about corporate greed either. Like any successful venture conducted by people who love what they do, it's a mix.
I'm w/ thefrp on all that - I don't buy any official anything, except a ticket.
Post by poopzilla33 on Apr 12, 2006 12:31:57 GMT -5
i'm completly wiht the cowboy on this. if this were a cooperate mainstream festival they'd have fall out boy instead of oysterhead, 50 cent instead of blackalicious, and nickleback instead of nickel creek. there are less jam bands this year, true. but the adiitions are not yet over. the vibe isn't going to change, i am a hippie and i love jambands. my friends all love radiohead and can be classified as indie kids but we all ahve to same outlook on life and politics and tthings and ever indie kid i met has that same view. the only thing different is that they shower more often. if you don't enjoy your self compeltley this year than on sunday i'll let you punch me in the face
Post by futurecowboy on Apr 12, 2006 12:41:01 GMT -5
Lol @ poopzilla punching people on Sunday. You should set up a vendor tent Sunday and just ask people if they've enjoyed themselves completely or not. If they did, they can walk away; if not. you punch them.
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 12, 2006 19:41:27 GMT -5
well if you dont get it then thats fine. if you get it and disagree thats fine. just quit telling me to shut up, quit calling me an idiot. disagree like adults. state your opinion of the subject and keep your idiotic "conservative" comments to your self(thats the first time ive ever been called conservative in anwway you seem like an immature yuppie who dosent even understand what the word means) here is a list of what i wanna see at roo oysterhead, ben folds, lyrics born, tom petty, phil and friends, buddy guy, bill frisell, umph/bisco, , bonnie raitt, moe, cypress hill, les, mmw, blues traveler, rusted root, shooter jennings, ect,,, this is just what i can think of there are more... i truly wish i wasnt such a closed minded idiotic "jam head" grade a conservative jerk who wouldnt know good music if it bit him. maybe then id be smart and a beter person
and why is it that both of you fail to see the problem yet both of you make an effort to not buy things from official vendors. it seems to me you reacting to something. what is that??
i will follow my own advice and not ad too many thoughts about yuppies who boycott certain vendors, but really have no reason to.. only doing it cuz it seems cool and they have no idea what its about even when it is explained to them in plain english. oh well some poeple have never had an original thought in thier life. well aside from caling me a conservative that was original
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 12, 2006 19:47:42 GMT -5
i dont see how i am on a high horse... this isnt only about music... its about mainstream corporations getting spots at roo not based on services provided but on who is the highest bidder.
i would rather show up on my high horse then on the bandwagon theses cats are pulling up on along with tower records, comedy central, and acts like dcfc, common, brighteyes, modest mouse, etc...
and oh ya i dont hate all bands that get play on mtv... i think lyrics born is some of the best hip hop out there and i dont hate on him for being on mtv.. i think its unfortunat that someone with so much talent would sell his soul to the devil for exposure but i still think it is excellent music and cant wait to see him, it just so happens that most mtv stuff is garbage, imo
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Ya jeez, lets begrudge these people for making a living. How much do you think the festival costs as a whole to run. How many people (probably in the thousands) rely on bonnaroo as a main source of their income? And you get angry at these people for making choices that they think are correct in feeding their families and putting a roof over their collective heads. Granted, it may be a pretty extravagant roof with who knows how many skylights, but I think if these guys can put on a hell of a festival that entertains nearly 100 thousand people a year AND be able to turn a profit from it, I say more power to them. And if bonnaroo was 20 years old you could argue about them forsaking those who have been with it since the beginning, but in year 5 its still just trying to find its place and a market that has many other festivals offering the same bands. Roo has to set itself apart.
"An immature yuppie" - wow, I don't think I've ever been called a yuppie before in my entire life. Could be because it doesn't apply at all... or it could be the tattoo/earrings/NIN stickers... I'm still trying to figure out what I've said that would even appear "yuppie like." Let's see, "Yuppie" came from "Young Urban Professional" and I'm: a) Not Young; b) Live in the rural mountains of VA; c) and am not a Professional. Nice try.
I told you to shut up only after your discourse became name-calling and finger-pointing. And in the same paragraph you ask us not to return the favor and then call me, baselessly, an immature yuppie.
Keith, your conservatism is evident. It is not born from anything I commented on before you opened your mouth and began closing the door on a growing community.
And it doesn't take any effort to not pay $17 for a CD. It's called choices man. Seems to me like a yuppie would be fine paying that much.
For example: You equate being on Mtv as selling your soul... Wow- have you sat down with Tom Petty, Dave Matthews and more on their poor artistic decisions?
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 12, 2006 22:20:05 GMT -5
well trust me buddy anyone who calls me a conserative is and idiot. i dont care if your a yuppie or not.. i dont care if you think i am conservative. i dont care if if dave and tom were on mtv. i think it was a bad route to go, but i just got done explaining that i dont hate all mtv bands... do you read???
just dropp it dude... im done with yo and your nonsense....jsut try to keep your uninformed opinions on the subject we are taking about and not on me.. thats all... shouldnt be too hard
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 12, 2006 22:25:30 GMT -5
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Man, you are a Grade A conservative jerk. No, I'm not a newbie at all- but I'm sure it's easier for you to think I was.
It never ceases to astound me how some people can be so closed minded and deluded.
If you are so unhappy-- please, stop making everyone else unhappy. You are the definition of a buzzkill. And your comparison to Superfly as Wal-Mart is a great example of your delusion. The fact that you would disrespect the integrity of the many artists affiliated with Bonnaroo in that way disgusts me.
right here on this post is where things went down hill... wehn you started throwing your opinions about me personally ... i wonder how i have such an affect oin your mood and excitement.... this is a thread about superfly being thingys and greedy and you talk shiit about me for discussing it.... GROW UP!!!!!!!!
i did suggest you might be a newbie because you dont seem to grasp the fact that roo does have roots and nostalgia for everyone i know who has gone.. i dont consider that being insulting or name calling... i guess im just mature enough to be able to distinguish things like that
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Post by keithk1055 on Apr 12, 2006 22:29:33 GMT -5
by the way the growing community you speak of has shrunk every year and is being replaced by nin fans who want to hate on everyone who dosent think just like them
and before it starts i dont mean all nin fans... just the ones that do that things i have mentioned... if you like nin and dont do those things i am not talking about you so chill
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Post by keithk1055 on Apr 12, 2006 22:52:33 GMT -5
keithk1055 said:
and why is it that both of you fail to see the problem yet both of you make an effort to not buy things from official vendors. it seems to me you reacting to something. what is that??
i will follow my own advice and not ad too many thoughts about yuppies who boycott certain vendors, but really have no reason to.. only doing it cuz it seems cool and they have no idea what its about even when it is explained to them in plain english. oh well some poeple have never had an original thought in thier life. well aside from caling me a conservative that was original
you managed to post a bunch more flaming but you failed to answer te question i asked.. not surprisingly... im wondering if you even read posts or just look for something you can bitch about
Post by Lucid Interval on Apr 12, 2006 23:12:50 GMT -5
Ok wait.... Keith is dudewheresmyroo? ???? I guess i should have known lol....
You should really just stop man, you're not saying anything profound or intelligent about the way roo is changing, all you're doing is pissing and moaning like a little kid and getting people worked up...
Post by Lucid Interval on Apr 12, 2006 23:14:39 GMT -5
Yeah i agree, you're digging your own grave man, you shouldnt need us to tell you that you're being rediculous... Just go back and read what you're saying man... You're trying WAY too damn hard to NOT be anything thats "mainstream" or "corporate" or all this crap that you obviously have no idea about...
Its not even that important man, you're more than welcome to put your thoughts and opinions out there, but its not doing you any good to be self righteous and to act like you're telling it how it is...
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 12, 2006 23:20:21 GMT -5
jesus christ...they are different posts addressing different things.. none of which are on topic thanks to yall... you guys are funny man... in a sad kinda way...
why dont you answer my question that is on topic instead of continuing with this hating on me?
Post by venusinfurs on Apr 12, 2006 23:22:41 GMT -5
lucidinterval said:
Yeah i agree, you're digging your own grave man, you shouldnt need us to tell you that you're being rediculous... Just go back and read what you're saying man... You're trying WAY too damn hard to NOT be anything thats "mainstream" or "corporate" or all this crap that you obviously have no idea about...
Its not even that important man, you're more than welcome to put your thoughts and opinions out there, but its not doing you any good to be self righteous and to act like you're telling it how it is...
In a way, it reminds me of the elitist indie kids that I've seen a thousand times at shows. They try so hard to distance themselves from anything mainstream. Anything on the radio sucks. Anything not played in an arthouse cinema sucks. Anything on Oprah's Book Club sucks (though, I agree with that one ;D). It really makes no sense.
Post by poopzilla33 on Apr 12, 2006 23:25:09 GMT -5
i personally think if someone does nto like soemthing just because other people like it than they are idiots. if you give it a chance and don't like it because its not your thing than thats perfectly fine
Well and generalities tell you absolutely nothing about a situation.
We chat on here about Roo's roots (existence of, peers, historical contexts) but we've romanticized it to the point that when Cat's is replaced with Towers we get all up in arms about corporate sell-outs--- conveniently ignoring Cat's own admission that Sam Goody was the provider in the first two years. So is Sam Goody part of Roo's "roots" as well? It's where generalities and "platitudes" again fail to be descriptive. The vibe of Roo is certainly something to be romanticized, but the execution and production of any event over 10,000 people is far more complex than any set of posts can give it credit for-- especially in an era and atmosphere of lagging ticket sales for all live music shows. The recent Billboard article makes some great points about the struggles in recent years- not the least of which is over 50 jam festivals across the country dividing fans and communities up. We've seen some of the effects of that splintering here.
But, hey, what do I know- I'm an NIN Yuppie Newbie who's not.