Post by BonnarooPaul on Apr 13, 2004 5:40:40 GMT -5
I wanted to put this on a separate thread from the war thread because this isn't here to debate..
some of the other posters were talking of trying to advertise and promote voting at Bonnaroo. we felt one way to promote it is to create a phrase that may spread that can encourage to vote...people can write it on their windows or make their own signs or shirts...
if you cannot make your own shirt or sticker(as in my case), please try to use the phrase in some manner to help the cause...
but first things first...any ideas for the phrase? i put just some brainstorming one's below....i will not include anti-Bush on this list as I had before so as not to offend any pro-Bushers out there.but please post any ideas?
Take America Back -> Vote! Peaceful Revolution= Voting Please Vote! It's Important!
"yeah, the electoral college has some issues too...why isn't it popular vote?"
Our forefathers had several reasons. Many states didn't have popular vote in the beginning - their representatives determined who got the Electoral votes, so it wasn't an issue.
My gut instinct is that very few people in the 1700s were educated about political candidates, so having a popular vote would have been a crapshoot at best. With the media today, no one has an excuse for voting uniformed, and yet many people still do. Cult of personality....
Post by JayFromRochester on Apr 14, 2004 10:15:06 GMT -5
Briefly, the electoral college is still a good and useful tool. If national elections were strictly popular vote only then the candidates would only campaign in the major population centers--New York, Boston, Philly, LA, Seattle, etc. They'd never even make a single stop in someplace like, Wyoming or Kansas. It wouldn't be worth their time.
Making each state valuable for a portion of the total ensures that the candidates reach out to voters who don't live in the densest populations.
It still ain't a perfect system, but it does beat the notion of having a campain tour schedule that looks like Phish's summer tour schedule.
States only get two more "votes" in the electoral college than their population would dictate. So small states still get skipped. They only focus on "swing" states now for appearances.
The big states will always have more total influence. The real problem with the electoral college is that it's winner take all in most states. You could get 49% and still lose all California's votes.
With a popular vote, small states wouldn't have any more influence than their population. A vote in New Hampshire is worth much more than a vote in California. It really busts up the phrase "One person, one vote". Shouldn't all votes be weighted equally? Or should voters in small states have a bigger impact? It's really a question of fairness.
My other voting pet peeve is the primarys. It's mostly decided before even a third of the states chime in. Case in point: Kentucky still hasn't had a primary yet, but apparently it's already decided who will be the candidate (Democratic).
Luckily, I'm Libertarian. We just get together at a national convention and duke it out there.
Post by BonnarooPaul on Apr 22, 2004 8:54:29 GMT -5
Piss Them Off- Vote! Toke N' Vote! (i don't know how i feel about the closeness to token vote, not sure what that means) Roo N' Vote! also too close to ruin vote but that could go both ways on what that means. Be Free! Vote!
so anyone come up with anything solid or agrees one that someone else has posted?