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I don't know if superdelegates are technically "at stake" today, seeing as they have until the convention to make a decision. Granted, the state results might influence their decision.
I'd hate to be in the shoes of the Massachusetts gov & Senators. All endorsed Obama and the state went Hillary. That's got to put them in an awkward situation.
Also, I think there's a chance Ted Kennedy will be paying Wisconsin a visit. That should be interesting.
Oh yes it is! Where else are we going to get random snacks in the middle of the night? Or for me, on my way home from work when going to the grocery store means walking past my building (soooo mentally hard to keep going), yet there's an awesome convenience store right on the corner that has all sorts of gourmet goodies as well as a good selection of wine and beer.
Which speech? I was at one tonight, but I don't think it was the one that was on CNN at the bar afterwards.
All I saw on the muted TV was Obama standing at a podium with the "Change we can believe in" sign attached to the front. There wasn't one of those at the Madison speech as far as I could tell. Then again, after the clusterfuck I went through to get in (2+ hours, with not a single crowd control/logistics person in sight) I was sitting on stairs near the absolute top.
Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee will both be in town Thursday. Hopefully I'll be able to catch them both.
Post by freedomofmusic on Feb 13, 2008 9:16:34 GMT -5
kdogg said:
Which speech? I was at one tonight, but I don't think it was the one that was on CNN at the bar afterwards.
All I saw on the muted TV was Obama standing at a podium with the "Change we can believe in" sign attached to the front. There wasn't one of those at the Madison speech as far as I could tell. Then again, after the clusterfuck I went through to get in (2+ hours, with not a single crowd control/logistics person in sight) I was sitting on stairs near the absolute top.
Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee will both be in town Thursday. Hopefully I'll be able to catch them both.
I think it was at the University of Wisconsin. There was indeed a Change We Can Believe In sign in front of the podium.
I realized that there indeed was that sign on the front of the podium. I didn't exactly have the best view from the 3rd level stair aisle... Plus, I went out after the rally and had a drink or seven before I wrote that.
My schedule for tomorrow is as follows: 11am: Mike Huckabee appearance, hotel conference room downtown 2:30pm: Bill Clinton appearance, pavilion on campus after that: Valentine's Day and all that entails I've got classes at 1pm and 2:30pm, but I'm totally skipping both for this.
Huckabee I've got to see just because I'm curious. This is my third presidential election living in Madison, and the first time a Republican candidate is actually coming here. It's nothing big physically - he's in the conference room of a hotel on the capital square - but it intrigues me for intangible reasons. Question is: can I convincingly act Republican for such an event? And can I not break out laughing if I try for a photo op?
that's an awesome picture - from so high up you got to see everything. My coworker who was at the rally at the University of Maryland said that it was a similar scene - the Comcast Center holds almost 18k for a basketball game. (although she was on the VIP list so was close enough to actually shake his hand)
Yeah, I might produce Obama's ads, but I've never actually met him. Maybe once he makes the general.
I got down there around 5pm. I was in line near the (locked) front doors and it was winding all along the place, then doubled around. I was around the bend (20-30 minute wait) where it had doubled over, when everybody decided just to rush and make a mass of people closer to the door. So everyone who was actually supposed to be in line behind me wound up in front of me. They were originally planning on getting everyone in through a side gate. Fortunately, I had been there about two minutes when I heard someone shouting my name. It was a guy from Milwaukee with whom I volunteered in Iowa for Richardson. So at least I had company while all the people I knew were lost in the crowd or inside with media credentials. Ran into various other people I knew as we crawled closer.
6:30pm rolls around. Someone near me got a call from someone at home watching TV, saying a newscaster was live from what appeared to be an empty Kohl Center. We moved about two steps every five minutes. I lost sensation in my toes at some point.
Another 15-20 minutes later, we realize a lot of the people who were behind us weren't anymore. They opened the front doors (which they should've used to begin with - that's like 12 pairs of doors compared the the ONE they initially planned for) to people without making an announcement. Nowhere in that entire time did I see a single person - from uw4obama, the Obama camp, or Kohl Center staff - doing any kind of logistics/crowd control. (I made sure to point out the utter lack of organization outside to the uw4obama people when I went in to get a yard sign today. They didn't have any and probably won't. More disorganization.)
Got in the line for the front doors - where I was to begin with - and finally got in a little after 7pm. There were just about zero seats to be found. I totally lost the Milwaukee kids but wound up with some other people I knew. We finally got a seat at 7:25, on concrete steps about as far back as it gets. I was eye-level with the catwalk over the floor.
Rally was to start at 8pm. The head of the student group and the regional field coordinator spoke around 8:15, then they left us hanging for another half hour. I was especially frustrated by their move to stop showing CNN on the overhead monitor after those first two speakers, opting instead for just that O symbol. We didn't get Maryland or DC results until the governor came out around 8:40 and announced them while introducing him.
I could get into the speech but as I understand it, MSNBC had it live. Some guys with 9/11 Truth signs got hauled out of there, but I'm not exactly sure what they did.
All told, I think there were around 20k people in a place with a maximum capacity of 17k. I heard the overflow room had 2k people in it, and that Obama did a brief speech just for them.
Back in 2004, John Kerry got 80k people out for the largest rally in state history. I'm pretty sure Obama could top that when the general gets close, even without Springsteen & Dave Grohl along for the ride.
Romney officially endorsed McCain today, putting him 78 delegates short of the number needed to win the nomination.
Mike Huckabee is now mathematically eliminated from being able to win the GOP race.
I went to the Mike Huckabee rally at 11am, and stumbled bass-ackwards into media credentials for the 2pm Bill Clinton speech. Not that I have killer pics to show for it - it was just an otherwise-unsed credential from the website that friend of mine runs. More on that after I drop my girl off at class.
Since Romney asked his delegates to vote for McCain, do they have to. I know in the Dem Party, once you are released you can vote however you like. Don't know about the Reps.
If the Romney delegates can vote however they like, should they actually be counted as McCain's? I guess either way it's kind of like the Super delegates for the Dems and they are assumed as committed.
Post by strumntheguitar on Feb 14, 2008 18:54:02 GMT -5
Did anybody see the news earlier today that said something to the effect of if Obama wins the nominee then McCain's campaign advisor was going to bail or something? I just caught the tail end of the report but I think that's what I saw... Interesting stuff I s'pose
I heard the other day that Edwards is strongly considering endorsing Hillary. I don't think I could respect John Edwards anymore if he does that. He talks all about anti-establishment this and that. There isn't a bigger establishment candidate than Hillary. I really hope it turns out to not be true.
The way I see it, Edwards' talk doesn't exactly synch up with Edwards' walk. By this point, I think he's just going to do whatever will get him the best gig in the next administration. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him endorse Hillary.
I hope he doesn't but who knows. Could be political gossip, could be true. I think it's stupid for him to do so especially while Hillary is a "falling stock" and Obama has such momentum.