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I just read that Obama will actually come out of Texas with more delegates than Clinton. Yet, she won. Interesting. **scratches head**
I think thats because texas dems have both a primary and a caucus
Yeah I know. I was just saying that Hillary likes to keep claiming victories that aren't hers to claim. She may have barely won the primary but Obama actually won Texas, if we're going by delegates. Obama has a larger delegate lead now than he did before the Ohio and Texas primaries, yet Hillary has the "momentum." It's all such a load of crap.
So Spitzer's resignation is effective Monday. It's a shame this happened in NY. Hillary has every single endorsement in the state, so there's no chance of a Hillary superdelegate loss. I was kinda hoping there'd be a chance of one flipping as the silver lining to all this.
I think thats because texas dems have both a primary and a caucus
Yeah I know. I was just saying that Hillary likes to keep claiming victories that aren't hers to claim. She may have barely won the primary but Obama actually won Texas, if we're going by delegates. Obama has a larger delegate lead now than he did before the Ohio and Texas primaries, yet Hillary has the "momentum." It's all such a load of crap.
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Yes, plus I noticed she complains about how the media is always picking on her but when she gets the gets the popular vote of the state they always declare her the BIG winner and a sweap even if jers delgates were lower then Obama
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Mar 12, 2008 19:41:18 GMT -5
kdogg said:
Hillary's whole "winning the big states" argument is a bunch of crap. As if we have to worry about New York, California or Illinois going red on us.
I heard that her new strategy is winning the big countries: China, Russia, Canada, Brazil, Australia. (Tri-Lateral Commision Kicks In, New World Order established, Apocalypse on standby)
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Mar 12, 2008 19:46:58 GMT -5
dudezer47 said:
I've been leaning towards McCain, but if he goes with Romney, I'm probably not going to vote for him.
Good idea, perpetual war will stimulate our weak economy much better than wasting all those $Trillions on all the increasingly unemployed domestic deadbeats.
Post by ClarkGriswold on Mar 12, 2008 20:18:55 GMT -5
Can it be said that the African-American population is a special interest group? And can it also be said that the white and or black women is a special interest group?
Being a white male I fear I have no representation to defend me.
I've been leaning towards McCain, but if he goes with Romney, I'm probably not going to vote for him.
Good idea, perpetual war will stimulate our weak economy much better than wasting all those $Trillions on all the increasingly unemployed domestic deadbeats.
I'm not even sure what you mean by this. I assume you're calling me an idiot for thinking of voting for McCain. I would reply with this: Do you really think Obama or Hillary are going to cut military spending to come up with the money for National Health Care? I don't.
Post by ClarkGriswold on Mar 12, 2008 20:39:41 GMT -5
dudezer47 said:
southgajd said:
Good idea, perpetual war will stimulate our weak economy much better than wasting all those $Trillions on all the increasingly unemployed domestic deadbeats.
Do you really think Obama or Hillary are going to cut military spending to come up with the money for National Health Care? I don't.
Sorry to interrupt this conversation, But i feel a need to chime in on this
I'm not sure, but it is my greatest hope that they will call me naive, if you like but... ClarkGriswold
Post by ClarkGriswold on Mar 12, 2008 22:19:40 GMT -5
clarkgriswold said:
Can it be said that the African-American population is a special interest group? And can it also be said that the white and or black women is a special interest group?
Feedback please, I would be interested to know if my basis is possibly askew.
Can it be said that the African-American population is a special interest group? And can it also be said that the white and or black women is a special interest group?
Feedback please, I would be interested to know if my basis is possibly askew.
ClarkGriswold
I don't think they're special interest groups, they're just different demographics that are getting much greater media coverage than usual. Voting is always broken down between race/religion/gender/age for the sake of the talking heads having something to talk about. And if you're need a white male to represent you, you've still got McCain
Post by ClarkGriswold on Mar 12, 2008 23:10:02 GMT -5
Voting is always broken down between race/religion/gender/age .
I feel that validates my point. I maintain strongly again that they're being treated like special interest groups, Without the special interest groups how far do you expect to go?
And if you're need a white male to represent you, you've still got McCain Man that's a nice atempt at humor but not even funny.
Post by generalstore on Mar 13, 2008 0:35:49 GMT -5
McCain scares the crap out of me. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. How has he not been Howard Deaned for that one?
Clinton is just another serving of Bush. The whole political family dynasty for the sake of name recognition in the media overload age thing has to stop.
Obama gets my vote by default. Simply because he hasn't had enough time to become as corrupted as the others. I hope he can live up to his talks about not succumbing to the lobbyists, time will tell. But it bodes well that bulk of his contributions come from many small personal donations rather than fewer larger donations from PACs and other groups a la Clinton & McCain.
I also think he has a much better chance of winning the general than Clinton. Disregarding polls, If you take a look back at all of the presidential elections in the TV era you'll notice that the winner usually has some xfactor that takes traditional states away from the other party. Usually this takes the form of a home state in the opponents traditional territory. Reagan & Nixon swiping CA from the dems, Big Willie and Carter taking several Southern states from the GOP. Papi Bush didn't really have one, but then again neither did Dukakis. Gore being from TN should have won him the election, er that's right he did win it, and Kerry vs Bush again no xfactor for either one.
So McCain has nothing going for him in the Dem strongholds. Hillary has lost her Southern image and is now a New Yorker. It would take a republican Governor of NY running for President for the Dems to lose NY. Obama being from Illinois doesn't have a home state advantage either, but if you account for the black vote then you've got a few Southern red states that could swing over. Particularly when many Southern blacks are Evangelicals, and the Evangelical GOP candidate lost to McCain.
Feedback please, I would be interested to know if my basis is possibly askew.
ClarkGriswold
I don't think they're special interest groups, they're just different demographics that are getting much greater media coverage than usual. Voting is always broken down between race/religion/gender/age for the sake of the talking heads having something to talk about. And if you're need a white male to represent you, you've still got McCain
for me, one of the great things about having it down to choosing between Obama and Clinton is that it is not only about having a president who looks like you.
Women are going for Obama. Blacks are going for Clinton.
People are realizing that just because someone doesn't look like you doesn't mean that they can't look out for your needs.
Plus, white men really don't need any protecting. If you're old or poor or otherwise disadvantaged, then that trumps your white man status and you fall into the other special interest group. But a healthy, middle to upper class white man with a stable job is at the top of the food chain.
"for me, one of the great things about having it down to choosing between Obama and Clinton is that it is not only about having a president who looks like you.
Women are going for Obama. Blacks are going for Clinton. "
Sadly, the longer this divisive campaign goes on the less this seems to be true. In MS, 90%+ blacks voted Obama and almost 75% whites voted Clinton. And more than 70% of white women voted Clinton.
Of course this is MS which may be a special case. But I could see the same in PA.
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Mar 13, 2008 8:08:21 GMT -5
dcbee said:
danbird said:
I don't think they're special interest groups, they're just different demographics that are getting much greater media coverage than usual. Voting is always broken down between race/religion/gender/age for the sake of the talking heads having something to talk about. And if you're need a white male to represent you, you've still got McCain
for me, one of the great things about having it down to choosing between Obama and Clinton is that it is not only about having a president who looks like you.
Women are going for Obama. Blacks are going for Clinton.
People are realizing that just because someone doesn't look like you doesn't mean that they can't look out for your needs.
Plus, white men really don't need any protecting. If you're old or poor or otherwise disadvantaged, then that trumps your white man status and you fall into the other special interest group. But a healthy, middle to upper class white man with a stable job is at the top of the food chain.
Exactly. If a white man is gonna have a concern about his whiteness being represented, I doubt he will look to the Dems for anything. We have had hundreds of years of white man rule-and look where it's gotten us !!
But again, I reiterate: It is the press keeping race and sex on the lips of the "undecided".
Neither sex nor race can be considered on any higher level until we deal with the issue of class. Class is what truly divides us, but class division is where all the money has been coming from. But the separation of the classes has been making BOTH parties rich and keeps the spending in the media unsurpassed. It's a circus put on by your money, that you're not invited to. You just see the ads and solicitations, and occasional glimpses of promises, never intended to be fulfilled. And the players in the circus do a dance that is supposed to amaze and confuse you. Nothing ever changes much as long as we line up to vote for either the clowns or the animals.
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Michigan can't be too much farther behind in the planning process. It's got to be pretty embarrassing to have it look like you've got your electoral doodie together even less than Florida.
Do you know how the vote by mail will work? There was talk of only Dems getting ballots, of Dems and Indies, or only the people who actually voted the 1st time. Any clue?
BTW I like the vote by mail option; cheap and simple. But this is FL and they'll probably let the vote be corrupted somehow.
"for me, one of the great things about having it down to choosing between Obama and Clinton is that it is not only about having a president who looks like you.
Women are going for Obama. Blacks are going for Clinton. "
Sadly, the longer this divisive campaign goes on the less this seems to be true. In MS, 90%+ blacks voted Obama and almost 75% whites voted Clinton. And more than 70% of white women voted Clinton.
Of course this is MS which may be a special case. But I could see the same in PA.
Actually, I think that as the campaign goes on, it's becoming more true (at least from articles I've been reading, I don't have any stats to back me up). At first, it seemed like if you were a woman, you had to vote for Clinton. Then women started hearing more about Obama and leaning that way. Same with blacks and Obama. Or maybe it's more white and Obama.
I dunno. It's just that all these people who thought that the only proper president was a white male president are now realizing that the color of your skin and your sex are not the determining qualifications in a country's leader
It's just that all these people who thought that the only proper president was a white male president are now realizing that the color of your skin and your sex are not the determining qualifications in a country's leader
Do you know how the vote by mail will work? There was talk of only Dems getting ballots, of Dems and Indies, or only the people who actually voted the 1st time. Any clue?
BTW I like the vote by mail option; cheap and simple. But this is FL and they'll probably let the vote be corrupted somehow.
The memo is quoted in that link I posted above. Just registered Dems. They had a closed primary last time when it didn't count, so this one being closed makes sense.