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nothin' much to do with this election...but i watched 'recount' last night on hbo....and wow. i wish i woulda been payin' attention in hs when this happened...that is nuts. and to think we are payin' for it eight years later. i couldn't fathom what our government would be like if gore was pres. ps and kevin spacey is and always will be the man.
^Well in 2000 Nader had 2.7 percent, and the difference in the popular vote was about 1/2 of a percent. This is what I was referring to. As far as Bob Barr goes he will be a McCain problem, just like Nader will be a Obama problem, and it should balance out. Honestly though things are so partisan now, and so tight I don't think many folk will throw their vote away this time.
Bush won FL by 1725 votes by the official count (All statewide recounts after the fact show Gore won but...)
Nader got almost 97,000 votes in FL. Assuming Nader voters would not have voted for Bush (a good assumption) Gore needed less than 2% of Nader voters to win. Gore would have won by a theftproof margin had Nader not been in the race.
Of course Gore ran a horrible race so he can put most of the blame on himself.
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\Of course Gore ran a horrible race so he can put most of the blame on himself.
Agreed. I'm of the belief that if a Democrat loses, it's probably their own damn fault.
I did vote for Nader in 2000, and I have no problem with that in hindsight. The Electoral College in 2000 essentially rendered Wisconsin & Oregon votes irrelevant, so my vote that year wasn't going to matter regardless of which candidate got it.
More Conservative idiocy. Dunkin Donuts pulled the Rachel Ray ad where she wore a plaid scarf because media Cons are saying it supports Muslim terrorists. All because RR is supported by Oprah who supports Obama.
Only dumbass Cons would actually wasted time worrying about a scarf.
And why no stink about McCain's daughter's scarf in her political blog? It looks more like an Arafat scarf than RR's.
And these people have elected the Prez the last 8 years. Any wonder we're so screwed?
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A pro-life group in Colorado gathered signatures and have gotten an amendment on their November ballot, defining person as "any human being from the moment of fertilization." This could get interesting...
basically, rupert murdoch saying Obama is going to have a landslide victory. holy crap!
"The founder -- and defender -- of Fox News said he expected Obama to win in a landslide, citing widespread unhappiness with the current administration and his disenchantment with Republican contender John McCain. Murdoch added that after a long career in the Senate, McCain had been forced to compromise too much and doesn’t stand for much. Murdoch even nonchalantly owned up to influencing the New York Post to back Obama in the New York primary."
A pro-life group in Colorado gathered signatures and have gotten an amendment on their November ballot, defining person as "any human being from the moment of fertilization." This could get interesting...
Wow. I haven't heard about this one yet. Is it already on their ballot or are they still gathering signatures?
Can you link me to their site?
Hopefully this won't pass. Reproductive rights in this country are so shaky right now it scares me. On top of that, Bush may re-instate the Regan-era gag rule that limits Title X funding...
Its really time for women to get out there...we have sat idly by too long and let our rights get taken away...god only knows what will happen if McCain gets elected. Even Bush never publicly stated that he was for overturning Roe v. Wade. The only person in this campaign who has? McCain.
So what does everyone think the DNC Ruels Committee will do about MI and FL tomorrow? (I was gonna make a poll but thought the better of it.)
I think the odds are with seating half the delegations as elected with Obama getting the uncommitteds in MI (since he was not on the ballot.) But it depends on how much of Hillary's @ss they feel they must kiss.
I think what they should do is seat the delegations at half-strength and give both Clinton and Obama an equal number of delegates.
Michigan cannot be considered a proper election as both candidates were not on the ballot.
Florida cannot be considered a proper election either. Their primary was based on name recognition alone. Also, there have been some stories that Hillary's FL operation simply left the campaign and changed its name to "Florida for Hillary" so it wouldn't be official that Hillary was campaigning there.
I think the DNC rules state that FL & MI would be stripped of at least half their delegates.
I'm unsure if that allows for decreasing those states' delegates to a half-vote. I would think seating the full delegation with half-votes would be the way to go, but that might not be do-able. They might have to strip half the delegates and leave the other half with full votes. I think they'll go with full delegations with half-votes.
There's also the "do nothing" option, where this goes to the Credentials Committee. In which case, that committee's decision becomes the first item on the agenda at the convention.
Apparently, from what I understand, and what I've heard on LIBERAL TALK RADIO, the Rules Committee really don't have the authority to do anything more substantial than the halfing thing. That's part of the reason this is such a scary thing! If MI and FL end up pushing the issue and won't settle for anything but a full seating, it would go to the Credentials Committee, which doesn't meet until the convention in Denver.
I would think that the Rules Committee would be able to make whatever rules they wish. Just as the were able to strip MI and FL, they should be able to reinstate as they see fit.
I hope that if Hillary tries to tie things up until the Convention the Super delegates will all announce for Obama and let FL and MI be seated in full giving Obama the nomination and Hillary a few extra delegates but no legs to stand on as far as the Nomination. (like she really has a case right now.)