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does she really think she can sway the superdelagates at this point?
i dont know the math off the top, but cant obama mathematically end it tonight?
There are only 48 delegates at stake between both of today's states, and Obama needs 42 more to win. It cannot be mathematically ended tonight through pledged delegates, unless it's an uber-blowout for Obama in both primaries. I don't think that's going to be the case.
I think enough Supers will announce to give him the nomination almost immediately after the primaries are over. I was hoping they'd do it before tonight so he could announce VICTORY this evening. Could still happen but probably tomorrow.
Even if Obama does declare victory, I doubt that's the same thing as Hillary conceding defeat. Those superdelegates' votes won't count until Denver, so she still has herself a justification for staying in the race.
Those superdelegates' votes won't count until Denver, so she still has herself a justification for staying in the race.
Did I ever mention how much I hate her. I mean seriously, it just seems like the only reason for her to stay in the race is to sit and wait and hope for Obama to make some huge mistake between now and August. Meanwhile, her campaign is 20 mil. in debt and she's gonna want Obama and the DNC to bail her out. She's still pushing for the VP too, so how bout she shows some grace and does what's right for the party? Oh wait, I forgot who we're talking about.
Did I ever mention how much I hate her. I mean seriously, it just seems like the only reason for her to stay in the race is to sit and wait and hope for Obama to make some huge mistake between now and August. Meanwhile, her campaign is 20 mil. in debt and she's gonna want Obama and the DNC to bail her out. She's still pushing for the VP too, so how bout she shows some grace and does what's right for the party? Oh wait, I forgot who we're talking about.
I believe that as of today's primaries, Hillary can no longer legally raise funds for her primary campaign. The millions the Clintons loaned her campaign legally have to be the end of her debt repayment list. I think her campaign financial situation might improve if she goes for veep. I know she had a few million already stashed away in a general election fund, unable to be accessed during the primaries. She might be able to cut some of her financial losses if she manages to get on the ticket.
One sunny day in 2009, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue, where he'd been sitting on a park bench.
He spoke to the Marine standing guard and said, 'I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton.'
The Marine replied, 'Sir, Mrs. Clinton is not President and doesn't reside here.'
The old man said, 'Okay,' and walked away.
The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, 'I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton '.
The Marine again told the man, 'Sir, as I said yesterday, Mrs. Clinton is not President and doesn't reside here.'
The man thanked him and again walked away.
The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same Marine, saying 'I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton.'
The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, 'Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mrs. Clinton. I've told you already several times that Mrs. Clinton is not the President and doesn't reside here. Don't you understand?'
The old man answered, 'Oh, I understand you fine; I just love hearing your answer!'
The Marine snapped to attention, saluted and said 'See you tomorrow, sir'
Last Edit: Jun 3, 2008 13:53:17 GMT -5 by wooz - Back to Top
Well looks like something we never thought would happen
WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton told colleagues Tuesday she would consider joining Barack Obama as his running mate, and advisers said she was withholding a formal departure from the race partly to use her remaining leverage to press for a spot on the ticket. ADVERTISEMENT
On a conference call with other New York lawmakers, Clinton, a New York senator, said she was willing to become Obama's vice presidential nominee if it would help Democrats win the White House, according to a participant who spoke on condition of anonymity because this person was not authorized to speak for Clinton.
Clinton's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez, who said she believed the best way for Obama to win key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.
"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November.
Clinton also told colleagues the delegate math was not there for her to overtake Obama, but that she wanted to take time to determine how to leave the race in a way that would best help Democrats.
Well looks like something we never thought would happen
WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton told colleagues Tuesday she would consider joining Barack Obama as his running mate, and advisers said she was withholding a formal departure from the race partly to use her remaining leverage to press for a spot on the ticket. ADVERTISEMENT
On a conference call with other New York lawmakers, Clinton, a New York senator, said she was willing to become Obama's vice presidential nominee if it would help Democrats win the White House, according to a participant who spoke on condition of anonymity because this person was not authorized to speak for Clinton.
Clinton's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez, who said she believed the best way for Obama to win key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.
"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November.
Clinton also told colleagues the delegate math was not there for her to overtake Obama, but that she wanted to take time to determine how to leave the race in a way that would best help Democrats.
Mrs. Clinton,
Please get over the fact that you have lost.
Yes, there are elements in this country(as with many countries) that are sexist. You did not lose due to these elements.
You lost because people on your staff did not understand how caucus' work.
You lost because so many Democrats are tired of slippery slimy political games.
You lost because you've lied to the American people so many damn times its not even funny.
You are not entitled to a damn thing. Please go away.
She has to do it to get any of their money back for one thing. I don't know though if this is the solution I can live with it so we can return to getting our country back from these people who have been fucking it up for the past eight years. Honestly, this race has been so divisive that this may be the only practical solution. Even those nutjobs over at www.hillaryis44.com are grumbling about how they can live with it.
Honestly, I think the campaign is divisive mostly because of all the bloggers and chatters who are so negative. Half the time each candidate is responding to something brought up by the media, not by the other candidate.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jun 3, 2008 17:05:28 GMT -5
I'm torn between the idea of Hillary as a VP running mate, honestly. It definitely would more or less seal the deal for the democratic victory I think... however I think Obama could win with any qualified name with him on the ticket since most Hillary supporters are not gonna vote for McCain anyways.
I'm more pissed that Clinton publicly announced that she would be Obama's running mate, rather than waiting for Obama to make his decision. After all the sh!t that she's put Obama through I would kick her sorry ass to the curb if I was Obama... but that would not do much good in re-uniting the party for the fall campaign.
Lame situation all around... Clinton should've just kept her trap shut (what else is new though )
I honestly don't think Obama will have her as VP. Her and Bill will always be trying to overshadow him. That and her comments about staying in the race because you never know what will happen(assassination). If I was Obama, I would welcome Bill back into the fold. Get him to campaign for you. I'd give Hillary the cold shoulder.
Obama really has no choice but to accept her. If she says she wants it and he refuses, all hell will break loose. Hillary supporter will defect, Super delegates and the DNC will be in an uproar and Hillary will go to the Convention and split the Party. I see this as the only scenario where Obama can lose.
I don't think Obama likes it but like it or not, if Hillary wants it, it's hers. And though I hate the campaign she's run, I could live with her and Bill in the backseat. Rather have someone else but I can live with her.
Once they're elected Obama can get rid of her if she acts up by sending her to every lame-@ss ceremony in the world.
Last Edit: Jun 3, 2008 19:15:50 GMT -5 by troo - Back to Top
I know it's next to impossible, but boy, would I love for Obama to make Pelosi the VP. As just a big middle finger to the Clintons. Yeah, I'm bitter, so what. Sorry, I'm gonna go cling to my guns and my bible now I mean, OBAMA!!!! WOOOOO!!!!
I know it's next to impossible, but boy, would I love for Obama to make Pelosi the VP. As just a big middle finger to the Clintons. Yeah, I'm bitter, so what. Sorry, I'm gonna go cling to my guns and my bible now I mean, OBAMA!!!! WOOOOO!!!!
Post by jumpinjamesbrown on Jun 3, 2008 21:12:08 GMT -5
his speech right now sounds like he might ask clinton to be his running mate, although they bad mouthed each other so much i can't see it actually happening
Obama really has no choice but to accept her. If she says she wants it and he refuses, all hell will break loose. Hillary supporter will defect, Super delegates and the DNC will be in an uproar and Hillary will go to the Convention and split the Party. I see this as the only scenario where Obama can lose.
I don't think Obama likes it but like it or not, if Hillary wants it, it's hers. And though I hate the campaign she's run, I could live with her and Bill in the backseat. Rather have someone else but I can live with her.
Once they're elected Obama can get rid of her if she acts up by sending her to every lame-@ss ceremony in the world.
This is exactly what I was thinking/was afraid of. I really can't remember and have no idea so please correct me if i'm wrong, but is she pretty much one of the very few primary contestants that lose and then publicly announce that they will accept an offer to be the winner's VP? That just screams "bitch" to me for some reason
That speech got me good. I’ve been a believer for awhile now, but I guess you could say that something clicked for me this evening.
From my first official step into the world of voting, with an absentee ballot for Ralph Nader, I've been a wildly cynical little shit, but always knew in my heart of hearts, that there has to be a better way. After quickly realizing that "way” had nothing to do with Ralph Nader and that we were in for a whole heap of poop with the Bush/Cheney administration, I, like many, became angry.
From there, it was on to Howard Dean, who I was lying in bed and watching live, when the "HEE-YAH" came down. Of course, Kerry came next. I did what I could locally, hit up the call centers, and even with a full work schedule, traveled up to Wisconsin with a bus full of strangers to spend a couple days wandering around somewhere near Madison, I believe, canvassing there. Kdogg, I know this is has been a big part of your life over the past year or two, eh? Anyway, we all know how that brief love affair ends. The anger just built from there and I traveled out to DC to protest the inauguration, on yet another bus full of wild/fun/scary/inspirational strangers. The age range on my bus alone spanned from 17-74, and the racial demographics were just as impressive. Some of these people were serious protest vets, harboring decades of frustration. Some spoke, but others just sat quietly, napping, and staring out as the states blurred by. We got there and pushed as hard as we could, against, what turned out to be a disgustingly well armed city. Tears flowed and voices cried out, but we were kept well out of view from the mainstream media. A few more major anti-war protests followed on the streets of Chicago and I began taking the Metra into the city on the weekends to help with the organization and planning of one of the bigger events. These exercises in free speech came and went, but then my life began to change, yadda-yadda, and I became idle. I've been restless since moving to Denver to be with my girlfriend, but without a network to turn to, I've pretty much kept out of the fray.
Now, after seeing my precious John Edwards fall out of the mix (although, the bumper sticker has remained and will remain, until I get an Obama one to replace it), I've turned to Barack Obama. The same Barack Obama, whom I volunteered my time against, with the unsuccessful campaign of Illinois State Comptroller Dan Hynes, who was running against him in the 2004 Democratic Primary in Illinois. On a side note, thinking about this now, makes it apparent that time really flies for EVERYONE.
So, as it stands now, I’m all aboard in a big way. A different way than it has ever been before for me. I’m not sure what another four years of a Republican White House will do, but I’m all but certain what it won’t do and that chills me to my core. Who’s to say what the perfect candidate to take the reigns back will be? I know I certainly don’t have the answer, but Barack Obama had just a little more fight in his voice tonight and I can’t tell you how close to perfect that sounded for ME.
kudos to you for being so active. all i do is vote and try to stay somewhat informed. i liked obama's speech as well, but didnt love the people shouting stupid one-liners during the pauses.
the people in my office are mixed - some are all for mccain (wtf?), some want obama, and some like the idea of an obama/clinton ticket.