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Tom Waits after Brennan is polarizing. Everything Foreign Affairs and before is accessible as any loungy singer songwriter with the exception of maybe Small Change. But Closing Time is good stuff that virtually anybody could connect with.
i too am also trying to get into tom waits... seeing as how everyone flipped their shit when they found out he's going on tour and might play the farm. i just picked up Real Gone. anyone know if that cd is any good?
Tom Waits after Brennan is polarizing. Everything Foreign Affairs and before is accessible as any loungy singer songwriter with the exception of maybe Small Change. But Closing Time is good stuff that virtually anybody could connect with.
Anyone who only likes the early stuff is missing the point if you ask me. Sure, Closing Time is good, but is it that distinctive? No, it could be any talented songwriter. Even his voice sounded generic back then. I love the older stuff too, but what makes him a unique artist is the later material, from Swordfish on.
Post by steveternal on May 5, 2008 21:26:08 GMT -5
^^^Some swear by it, but I think the majority would say it's good but not up to par with other latter-day albums as "Mule Variations" and "Bone Machine".
i too am also trying to get into tom waits... seeing as how everyone flipped their poop when they found out he's going on tour and might play the farm. i just picked up Real Gone. anyone know if that cd is any good?
Real Gone is good, but it's about as rough badass Waits as you can get, the only album that has no piano (his trademark instrument). Day After Tomorrow is a masterpiece though.
^^^Some swear by it, but I think the majority would say it's good but not up to par with other latter-day albums as "Mule Variations" and "Bone Machine".
Yeah Bone Machine blows me away every time I listen to it. hell its quoted under my avatar.
Real Gone is a growing favorite of the Waits collection, and I was just reading that several of the songs feature Claypool. I would say Rain Dogs is a good starting point though.
Anyone who only likes the early stuff is missing the point if you ask me. Sure, Closing Time is good, but is it that distinctive? No, it could be any talented songwriter. Even his voice sounded generic back then. I love the older stuff too, but what makes him a unique artist is the later material, from Swordfish on.
I'm not sure there's a point other than writing good music. I would argue there's not an album Waits has done that is as perfect in its execution and songwriting as Foreign Affairs is, and it's pretty standard jazzy loung fare.
That said, I understand what you're getting at. But I think at the end of the day, someone who only likes Asylum era Waits isn't any lesser a fan than someone who digs on his Island/Anti output. I would suggest that it's not exactly wise to come into listening to Tom's stuff through Rain Dogs or Bone Machine or Real Gone. I don't think they're accessible to untrained ears. But if you couple his early stuff with a couple later era albums like Franks Wild Years and Mule Variations, you get a better sense of what he's getting at.
i too am also trying to get into tom waits... seeing as how everyone flipped their poop when they found out he's going on tour and might play the farm. i just picked up Real Gone. anyone know if that cd is any good?
it was the first tom waits cd i ever had, and i love it. that said, it's definitely not his best.
Post by BrokenLight on May 5, 2008 23:15:11 GMT -5
i love closing time the most out of all of them, i have most of his other albums, but i still don't know a whole lot about him, i haven't really heard anything else of his that sounds like closing time, what era of tom is considered closing time, that was his first album right, and he wrote it when he was 21, is that about right, anybody wanna fill me in a little more?
Post by the3penguins on May 5, 2008 23:31:06 GMT -5
First album, it came out in '73 on Asylum, when Tom was 23. He'd written all the songs in the preceding year or two bumming around in Southern California. To hear those songs in their earlier forms, as demos, check out The Early Years albums. Ol' 55 became a hit for the Eagles, and Tim Buckley covered Martha.
well thats much better. still not really my thing. but i like mule variations alot more then what ive heard before. definitely listenable. thanks for the recommendation.
tom waits is definitely worth $100, i spent around $130 to see roger waters blow my freaking mind on his darkside tour in 06, best money i've ever spent on one single show
Well there goes my plans of possibly seeing him in Columbus.
I'm sorry, but after fees that ticket's going to run you $100, which IMO no single act is worth paying for.
Not true. There are artists (in the truest sense of the word) that are worth paying $100, $200 for, and Tom Waits is definitely one of them. Not to sound pretentious, but the man tours so infrequently, and plays such amazing shows, that only charging $100 is a gift. Tickets for his shows in the past have been scalped at $1500. For instance, I was walking into the show at the Ryman a few summers ago and I had a guy offer me $2000 cash for my tickets. He actually showed me the money. I hope this puts things in perspective for folks about how ridiculous a Tom Waits experience is, and just how rabid/obsessed his fan base is.
For instance, I was walking into the show at the Ryman a few summers ago and I had a guy offer me $2000 cash for my tickets. He actually showed me the money.
damn, that might even be enough cash to pry my bonnaroo ticket from my hand...ok, maybe not. i assume you turned down the cash and went to the show, right?
For instance, I was walking into the show at the Ryman a few summers ago and I had a guy offer me $2000 cash for my tickets. He actually showed me the money.
damn, that might even be enough cash to pry my bonnaroo ticket from my hand...ok, maybe not. i assume you turned down the cash and went to the show, right?
Yeah, I went to the show. It was with my ex who had turned me to Tom Waits, and there was no way we were going to miss the show. As I said before in this thread, the Radiohead show at the Roo in '06 and that Tom Waits show are in a different league as far as live performances I have witnessed. Nothing even comes close.
Not true. There are artists (in the truest sense of the word) that are worth paying $100, $200 for, and Tom Waits is definitely one of them. Not to sound pretentious, but the man tours so infrequently, and plays such amazing shows, that only charging $100 is a gift. Tickets for his shows in the past have been scalped at $1500. For instance, I was walking into the show at the Ryman a few summers ago and I had a guy offer me $2000 cash for my tickets. He actually showed me the money. I hope this puts things in perspective for folks about how ridiculous a Tom Waits experience is, and just how rabid/obsessed his fan base is.
So may I ask what truly makes a Tom Waits show so amazing? I'm hoping to score tickets to the Dallas show.
I'm pretty much a newbie at this point, though I've listened regularly to the Rhino Greatest Hits (Arista years) and the Orphans box set and really enjoy him. Plan on expanding the collection with the recommendations in this thread before long.
Not true. There are artists (in the truest sense of the word) that are worth paying $100, $200 for, and Tom Waits is definitely one of them. Not to sound pretentious, but the man tours so infrequently, and plays such amazing shows, that only charging $100 is a gift. Tickets for his shows in the past have been scalped at $1500. For instance, I was walking into the show at the Ryman a few summers ago and I had a guy offer me $2000 cash for my tickets. He actually showed me the money. I hope this puts things in perspective for folks about how ridiculous a Tom Waits experience is, and just how rabid/obsessed his fan base is.
See... I would have accepted that $2000 and then found someone else and offered them $1500 in cash, and essentially been paid $500 to see Tom Waits blow my mind.
Holy hell.....just saw and read some of this thread....good god.
So the bases for these rumors are that Tom Waits is on AC's top list for people the have wanted at roo, and they are sponsoring his tour which ends the day after roo? good lord.... is there something i missed? Where does the superjam fall into this? tell em more!!! ANNOUNCE IT TOMMOROW! SOMETHING!!
Holy hell.....just saw and read some of this thread....good god.
So the bases for these rumors are that Tom Waits is on AC's top list for people the have wanted at roo, and they are sponsoring his tour which ends the day after roo? good lord.... is there something i missed? Where does the superjam fall into this? tell em more!!! ANNOUNCE IT TOMMOROW! SOMETHING!!
There was an article I linked earlier in the thread from an interview with Eugene Hutz (lead singer of Gogol Bordello) that dropped a little bit of superjam info at the very end of the article: Hutz, Claypool and Hammett are working on a Tom Waits themed superjam.
^ Yeah...the main reason I don't think Waits will be there is the superjam thing. If Hutz, Claypool, and Hammett will be doing a Waits-themed Superjam, it wouldn't make sense for Tom Waits to also play at the festival. And, if Tom Waits were going to participate in the Superjam, I'm not sure why they'd need Hutz to be there...he's not known as a guitar god, ya know. Unless he plays drums.
So that's why I don't think Tommy'll be there. But if the Superjam goes over big, I don't see why he wouldn't be there next year. Now that he's affiliated with Capps.