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"I hope not... I already have to wait 8 months to see what else happens in "Lost" jazzjeff31 3:43 PM" quote]
^^My thoughts exactly.
I would think an End of the World party would consist of birthday suits. I personally don't want my good clothes to get ruined from the locust plagues and fire rain. Maybe an umbrella?
I thought global warming was the end of the world. Or is it just another doomsday prophecy?
No, global warming is the end of human existence. The rock we're stuck to will live on regardless of whether we're here or not. And even Dubya is on board with global warming now, so I'd say the argument is over.
Oh yes, when dubya speaks we should all listen and follow in suit.
Post by tentseasurfer on Jun 7, 2008 9:16:24 GMT -5
While I'm all for going "green" , I'm very suspect of the global warming movement. I truly believe 99% of the people out there have good intentions in getting behind the push for environmentally friendly living. It is the 1% of scumbag politicians using it as an excuse to infringe even more on our civil liberties and get a global carbon tax going that scare me. There have been many scientists who have come out against the official global warming theories, and repeatedly their findings are suppressed and scoffed at.I find it very suspect when people flying around the globe in private jets and living in HUGE mansins want to chastise me for my "carbon footprint". Yet another Problem,reaction, solution scenario.
Recycle, cut down on your gas usage, get solar panels...ect. but be very wary of these politicians using your good intentions to push an agenda that serves big government and not the people of this planet.
*gets down off the soapbox*
Oh one more side note....don't be to impressed with Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize, after all Henry Kissinger has one too....
No, global warming is the end of human existence. The rock we're stuck to will live on regardless of whether we're here or not. And even Dubya is on board with global warming now, so I'd say the argument is over.
Oh yes, when dubya speaks we should all listen and follow in suit.
well... it does take quite a lot for him to admit that there's a problem...
While I'm all for going "green" , I'm very suspect of the global warming movement. I truly believe 99% of the people out there have good intentions in getting behind the push for environmentally friendly living. It is the 1% of scumbag politicians using it as an excuse to infringe even more on our civil liberties and get a global carbon tax going that scare me. There have been many scientists who have come out against the official global warming theories, and repeatedly their findings are suppressed and scoffed at.I find it very suspect when people flying around the globe in private jets and living in HUGE mansins want to chastise me for my "carbon footprint". Yet another Problem,reaction, solution scenario.
Recycle, cut down on your gas usage, get solar panels...ect. but be very wary of these politicians using your good intentions to push an agenda that serves big government and not the people of this planet.
*gets down off the soapbox*
Oh one more side note....don't be to impressed with Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize, after all Henry Kissinger has one too....
Outstanding post, karma when I get a chance. I get so tired of politicians bastardizing everything for their own agenda or to grab a few votes.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Jun 7, 2008 12:54:51 GMT -5
The Earth IS getting warmer. Right on schedule. It used to be much hotter, and it's going to get much hotter. Then it's going to get really cold. Icy in fact. The planet is still experiencing one of the coolest inter-ice age periods ever as far as geological data shows. It's not that the planet is not getting warmer. It's the FACT that it has nothing to do with us. Recycling, reduced carbon emitions, eliminating pollution; these are all great things, but they will not effect "climate change" (the latest pandemic marketing buzzword) one bit. Neither will all the tax dollars that every one of us will pay to lying politicians who are trying to "save the world".
You can't stop global warming, because then you eliminate the possibil....
Nevermind. Open a science book. When you understand the three laws of thermodynamics then you can really start to seriously think about temperature change. Form opinions based on deductive reasoning and analysis of legitimate data. Don't believe what you see on TV.
Post by candyflippedaround on Jun 7, 2008 13:47:08 GMT -5
granted we are not used to the earths heating/cooling patterns because we havent been around or keeping track of data long enough to find them, but i think its a little ludicrous to claim its a fact that we have nothing to do with it, even if we arent the whole problem.
edit: and even if we are not the problem at all, which i dont believe, its still wise to be weary of the fact that we are a large enough population to have an impact on the environment. If we just forget this notion we will let the situation get out of control if we havent already.
its still wise to be weary of the fact that we are a large enough population to have an impact on the environment. If we just forget this notion we will let the situation get out of control if we havent already.
Global warming IS a natural event, but our actions may have helped to speed it along. But come on people. 30-40 years ago scientists were convinced that we were about to enter the next ice age. The moral of the story is: climate change is extremely complicated and no one can predict exactly what is going to happen and when
ps If the end of the world is coming, I'm going to be really pissed that I chose this year as the year to skip Roo
Global warming IS a natural event, but our actions may have helped to speed it along. But come on people. 30-40 years ago scientists were convinced that we were about to enter the next ice age.
I don't know that they were wrong; one of the biggest misconceptions about climate change is that if we're supposed to be "warming" then we shouldn't have cold winters or unusual freezes, and conversely, that if we're supposed to be going into an ice age we should be having unusually cold weather often. Neither is necessarily true, depending on which stage of the process you're in.
Before ice ages, the earth can/will heat up which causes a melting of the ice caps, which collapses the ocean currents and jet streams that keep the different climates stable and produce the weather patterns that cool and/or heat the appropriate places. Without these currents and jet streams, no warm air is brought from the south, no cold air is brought from the north, and eventually the entire earth freezes until the geographical and atmospheric details work themselves out a few thousand or hundred thousand years later.
So, both are true: we are in a period of both global warming and an approaching ice age. With such an already-precarious situation going on by natural design, why even chance speeding it all up with pollution that's entirely unnecessary and avoidable with all of our current alternatives and technology? Why stand idly by and let climate change destroy everything we've worked so hard to achieve as humans? Why not go down fighting, if we're doomed by nature to go down anyways? Rage, rage against the dying of the light!
I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but we also shouldn't necesarily freak out over it. Just because some movie (which was completely biased and had very little scientific truth to it) says that Cali is gonna flood and all the butterflies are going to die tomorrow, does not mean that we should all take it as fact and start planning bomb shelters. Yes. Using less carbon is a good idea. Cut back on gas. If not for saving the planet from global warming, but for sparing air quality. There's just no reason to go out and start fostering polar bears.
ps and I don't appreciate being smited for sharing an educated oppinion. I do know at least somewhat what I'm talking about. I studied this shit in college. i have an effing degree in environmental sciences
I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but we also shouldn't necesarily freak out over it. Just because some movie (which was completely biased and had very little scientific truth to it) says that Cali is gonna flood and all the butterflies are going to die tomorrow, does not mean that we should all take it as fact and start planning bomb shelters. Yes. Using less carbon is a good idea. Cut back on gas. If not for saving the planet from global warming, but for sparing air quality. There's just no reason to go out and start fostering polar bears.
I completely agree. And that's one of the crappy parts about *that* movie: because it was such a hodge-podge of facts and opinions, the true stuff gets thrown out like the baby in the bathwater. It brought a lot of attention to the issue, but armed people with half-truths and spin as well as facts. I think one of the things it was attempting to do was cause the same kind of action-inspiring fear that 9/11 did, but now we have all these alarmist psycho eco-warriors screaming about the sky falling. So I guess it was a net gain of zero!
ps and I don't appreciate being smited for sharing an educated oppinion. I do know at least somewhat what I'm talking about. I studied this poop in college. i have an effing degree in environmental sciences
Yeah, that's not cool! I totally didn't do that (have never given karma or smites, ever), just to be clear. I actually only quoted your post because it was directly speaking to what I wanted to post. No smites here!
ETA: gave you some karma to make up for the a-hole.
The Earth IS getting warmer. Right on schedule. It used to be much hotter, and it's going to get much hotter. Then it's going to get really cold. Icy in fact. The planet is still experiencing one of the coolest inter-ice age periods ever as far as geological data shows. It's not that the planet is not getting warmer. It's the FACT that it has nothing to do with us. Recycling, reduced carbon emitions, eliminating pollution; these are all great things, but they will not effect "climate change" (the latest pandemic marketing buzzword) one bit. Neither will all the tax dollars that every one of us will pay to lying politicians who are trying to "save the world".
You can't stop global warming, because then you eliminate the possibil....
Nevermind. Open a science book. When you understand the three laws of thermodynamics then you can really start to seriously think about temperature change. Form opinions based on deductive reasoning and analysis of legitimate data. Don't believe what you see on TV.
Sorry for ranting.
I respectfilly disagree with what you said. And do not get my info from the slime oozing along my living room floor.
Global warming IS a natural event, but our actions may have helped to speed it along. But come on people. 30-40 years ago scientists were convinced that we were about to enter the next ice age.
I don't know that they were wrong; one of the biggest misconceptions about climate change is that if we're supposed to be "warming" then we shouldn't have cold winters or unusual freezes, and conversely, that if we're supposed to be going into an ice age we should be having unusually cold weather often. Neither is necessarily true, depending on which stage of the process you're in.
Before ice ages, the earth can/will heat up which causes a melting of the ice caps, which collapses the ocean currents and jet streams that keep the different climates stable and produce the weather patterns that cool and/or heat the appropriate places. Without these currents and jet streams, no warm air is brought from the south, no cold air is brought from the north, and eventually the entire earth freezes until the geographical and atmospheric details work themselves out a few thousand or hundred thousand years later.
So, both are true: we are in a period of both global warming and an approaching ice age. With such an already-precarious situation going on by natural design, why even chance speeding it all up with pollution that's entirely unnecessary and avoidable with all of our current alternatives and technology? Why stand idly by and let climate change destroy everything we've worked so hard to achieve as humans? Why not go down fighting, if we're doomed by nature to go down anyways? Rage, rage against the dying of the light!
^^^^Totally knows what he's talking about.
Back on topic.... According to Brother Harold Campen of Family Radio the end of days begins on May 11, 2011 when Jesus returns in physical form and physically raises the dead. If that doesn't happen a little over a year later on Dec 21, 2012 the Mayan calendar abruptly ends. Since this is a completely accurate astronomical calendar that has successfully predicted eclipses, novas, and all sorts of astronomical events it has raised some eyebrows, and of course been marked down as one of the many days that the world will end. It really just marks the end/beginning Platonic year or cycle of equinoxes. It's like New Years Day except that instead of one year it's close to 26,000 years in the cycle.
We just had one of the best years of snow fall here in the Rocky Mountains (in the last 30 years) just got 5" last week.....so I do think the Earth will take care of itself. There was a terrific article in Rolling Stone earlier this year discussing this. So ride a bike, plant a ton of trees, conserve water, and remember no one promises you get to be here tomorrow, so enjoy today!
I'm a chick, but that's totally cool----very ambiguous screen name!
...If that doesn't happen a little over a year later on Dec 21, 2012 the Mayan calendar abruptly ends. Since this is a completely accurate astronomical calendar that has successfully predicted eclipses, novas, and all sorts of astronomical events it has raised some eyebrows, and of course been marked down as one of the many days that the world will end. It really just marks the end/beginning Platonic year or cycle of equinoxes. It's like New Years Day except that instead of one year it's close to 26,000 years in the cycle.
Glad to meet someone else who has studied the Mayan calendar! I'll send you a very small (like 3MB?) program that graphically shows the calendar, the current wavespell, the current moon, etc, and converts any date to Mayan for you. PM me with your email!
Post by candyflippedaround on Jun 9, 2008 23:16:55 GMT -5
btw my sn is endofworldtheory because im very intrigued by almost any theory involving the end of the world. This sounds weird but, in all honestly, if I am going to die i want it to be in the "Apocalypse" because I want to know how it all goes down. thats not to say i believe in a war between heaven and hell that decides whatever, but it is almost inevitable that someday the human race will cease to exist and i want to know why.
btw my sn is endofworldtheory because im very intrigued by almost any theory involving the end of the world. This sounds weird but, in all honestly, if I am going to die i want it to be in the "Apocalypse" because I want to know how it all goes down. thats not to say i believe in a war between heaven and hell that decides whatever, but it is almost inevitable that someday the human race will cease to exist and i want to know why.
You should read "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Graham Hancock. Talks about the cyclical world-ending events that seem to be recorded in both monuments throughout the world and through oral tradition in the form of stories and "myths" and such. Great stuff. Really thick nonfiction, but you'll breeze through it after the first chapter hooks you. Promise.
This sounds weird but, in all honestly, if I am going to die i want it to be in the "Apocalypse" because I want to know how it all goes down. thats not to say i believe in a war between heaven and hell that decides whatever, but it is almost inevitable that someday the human race will cease to exist and i want to know why.
This makes complete sense... I never really even thought about that before, but I believe I agree!