Medical Issue @ Disco Biscuits - WORST THING EVER

I would think it's virtually impossible to have medics at every stage...you wouldn't get that kind of representation in the real world, so why would you expect it at Bonnaroo?

Tragic situation, indeed. The reports are that there were no deaths this year, but I've not heard anything about this particular situation.

damn. 89th biscuits show..i hope hes okay.

That might well do me in with no drugs involved.

Come on, you being an EMT should know you can't swallow your tongue.

I'm sure he knows you can't swallow your tongue, but he does know that during a seizure your tongue can block your airway. Really when someone is having a seizure all you can do is wait for it to stop and then put them in the recovery position to ensure that they get enough air and don't choke on their own fluids and such, unless they've stopped breathing altogether. Things get A LOT scary when you reach that point.

There were a lot of scary situations this year. I hope everyone came out of it okay.

If you're having a grand mal seizure, you can bite pieces of your tongue off and choke on them.

that happened near us aswell, we were on the right front and old buddy behind me and some girls who wasnt lookin too good already just faceplanted through the girls and into my shoulder, he left after a while, but im pretty sure it happened to another guy near us a little later. but the first kid was like white and sweaty and not moving at all and he was in long sleeves, i was in a bikini top and i was sweatin so i knew he was burning up.

I disagree. People need to embrace the concept of personal responsibility and stop making their bad choices other people's problem. I don't think any festival organizer should be responsible for the fact that someone can't manage his or her good time. Let them handle general crowd safety and such, but if someone chooses to participate in activities that may make him or her sick, that's no one's responsibility but that individual's.

Edited to add that perhaps this particular person was having a medical-related seizure; I'm only addressing those who willingly participate in certain activities and feel it is someone else's responsibility to rescue them from themselves.

yeah dont get so quacked up you cant control yourself and then go into a crowd of thousands of people who are all focused on something else, and then expect someone else to be responsible for you when you hit the ground.

he may have been epileptic, he may have been on drugs, either way he is more responsible for himself than anyone in the crowd is. if you are either of the above you should always have a friend with you in case of such an emergency. its near impossible for safety people to see each person in the crowd and not around you is going to care when you collapse.

not swallow but it can block your air passage.

I disagree completely.

If you look at social precedent in this country throughout recent history, burden is clearly on private enterprises to provide protection for their customers from the inherent dangers of what they are selling. Cruise ships are required to have adequate safety boats in case of disaster and medical personnel because they are away from land; buildings are required to have fire escapes; guns are required to have safeties; airliners are required to have emergency exits. In this case, the changes from everyday private life are that customers are on a private campground away from easy access to emergency services and that customers are subject to large crowds and loud music.

Now yes, drugs aren't inherent to Bonnaroo, but crowds and non-access to emergency services are. The drugs alone are not what makes the experience dangerous, rather the drugs combined with being in intense crowds and away from emergency services. The central point to required emts isn't the drugs, it's that if someone does have a medical problem inside a crowd on a campground away from civilization it is quite difficult to get them the aid they need; drugs just make medical problems more likely.

Furthermore, I'd argue further that Superfly quite knowingly advertises the drug aspect. Yea, they say drugs aren't permitted but look at the design of their website, shirts, etc. and the design of Centeroo. I'm not going to explicitly go in to this because I really don't see any case that they don't subtly advertise the drug aspect. This makes drugs a little more inherent to what they are advertising.

One tangential point I have is that while I agree that people do need to try to be responsible, your central argument can be expanded almost ad infinitum (people know what they are getting in to when they get in to a crowd, people know what they are getting in to when they go away from civilization, people know what they are getting in to when they listen to loud music, etc. etc.).

If you're arguing the more libertarian/anarchic idea that everyone is responsible for themselves period then I suppose I can't disagree with the "should" language-- although I'd still argue the obvious argument that it's in superfly's best interest to just have a few more shifted EMTs and avoid the very negative press, but if you're arguing what they should do based on social precedent I'd say it's pretty clear that they have a responsibility to tend to these needs.

I certainly didn't mean to imply that a sick person (sick by his own hand or otherwise) should be ignored by medical personnel, so I'm sorry if that's how my post was read. I do, however, think there are more than enough people of the attitude that they can check common sense at the door and behave like complete buffoons, then try to hold someone else accountable.

and for the record nearly every fest i have ever been to has medical staff at the front of the stage. there is a whole medical crew at all good. ive seen them in action several times. hookahville is tiny and is probably barely making a profit and they have a medical tent staffed by two emt crews at all times right next to the stage.. one of them is with the ambulance that is always on site and the other is always at the park.

and one of these times its not going to be self inflicted by using drugs or trying to climb the stage. and when that happens lawsuits start rolling in... its just plain neglect to not have medical staff at a show that probably had 20,000 people who paid 250 apiece. thats 5 million in tickets at that show and they cant have an emt crew????

Yea, I spilled one of my beers while trying to sit it down in the grass at my campsite. If Superfly and AC would have just paid a little extra to have the grass cut and the ground rolled flat that could have been prevented. Another example of how they just don't care, and it cost me a beer! Instead they chose to keep all that extra money in their filthy pockets!!! Greedy sold out corporate I HAVE NO DADDY!!!

Ooops, I thought this was the "find any reason to bash Bonnaroo/AC/Superfly thread. Sorry.


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