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^ I hear what you are saying and I also don't mind when a musician gets chatty with the crowd. Sometimes you find out what a song is really about or how the artist was inspired to write it.
Some artist would not be able ot put on a show if they left politics out. As mentioned earlier, Franti and Spearhead are very political. A large portion of thier setlist contains very politically charged lyrics. This is just what they are as a band. If you dont want to hear politics on stage, then definitely stay away from Franti and spearhead.
Some artist would not be able ot put on a show if they left politics out. As mentioned earlier, Franti and Spearhead are very political. A large portion of thier setlist contains very politically charged lyrics. This is just what they are as a band. If you dont want to hear politics on stage, then definitely stay away from Franti and spearhead.
you are so right about them ... i figure there is so much music and things going on, if you dont like a certain band, for whatever reason, just walk on by and check out the next thing going ... you will never be bored at the roo if you make an effort ...cr****
While I realize speech is censored somewhat, like you're not supposed to say you want to kill the president(back off secret service), freedom of speech is one of the most cherished freedoms we are privy to in this great US of A. I am greatful that we can express that freedom in song. In less freer times and places the sentiments had to be expressed in metaphors and euphanisms, but since singing began a couple of eons ago, I'll bet it was all about the things that were closest to their hearts.
Thanks to all the soldiers past and present who have served to keep our music free so we can have the wonderful world of Bonnaroo. We have YOU to thank for this.
Post by AintNoFreedom on Apr 27, 2007 10:29:55 GMT -5
lauraroo said:
Thanks to all the soldiers past and present who have served to keep our music free so we can have the wonderful world of Bonnaroo. We have YOU to thank for this.
You know, this is a little off topic... and it'll probably cost me some serious karma points, but is it REALLY true that soldiers have protected any of our freedoms since WWII?
I mean, haven't all the wars the U.S.A's been involved in since just proxy wars and used in some sort of struggle to create a world with our brand of commerce? Who has been a true threat to our freedoms? The Vietnamese? The Nicaraguans? The Iraqis?
I have friends who are in the military, and have no problems with those who choose that path... it's a huge sacrifice... But a lot of people have been saying things like, "thanks for keeping us free". It just seems like a buzzword or a default thing to say... But I just don't understand how my freedom of speech has been threatened by anyone other than domestic powers lately, as opposed to foreign enemies.
In a way I have to agree with aintno.... I love my fellow soldier, dont get me wrong. Many times the evening news has brought me to tears these last few years. I breaks my heart everytime I hear of a soldier dying.
BUT.....To protect something, there has to be a threat to it. I have such conflict with this war right now, because I do not believe that Iraq was a threat to our freedom and way of life. In addition, I do not believe that the "terrorists" in Iraq were a direct threat to our freedom.
therefore, how are the sodiers in Iraq right now protecting our freedom?
As has been said so many times in our past...."The first casualty of war is ALWAYS the truth!"
And Karma to you for having the balls to say it!
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Post by canexplain on Apr 27, 2007 11:06:30 GMT -5
You are right to a degree but I guess here is where I would come from with that argument … btw, I keep loosing karma too lol, don’t know if it is this tread or not … there is an old saying ’do you want to be in love, or just like the IDEA of being in love’ where I am heading with that is: I think the THREAT of our military and solders have protected our freedoms since after our county was founded .. if countries like Germany, Japan, Russia, any of them thought there would be no resistance at all if they came over here and tried to take our county, I really think they might have tried that … I hope you get what I am trying to say … it’s the mutual destruction sort of thinking … nuclear bombs didn’t save our country, but the threat of them did … so my hats off to all the vets for serving our county but the superpower nature of the US is what keeps us safe .. cr*****
Well, my intention was never to turn this into a political message board, and I certainly don't want to press my opinions on anyone, but since you asked.... I have been to the middle east and I can tell you that our freedom IS being threatned. There ARE terrorist in the middle east, and they DO want to kill americans, in America or abroad. It bothers me when people say things like" This war is about oil" or "Bush lied about the WMD's". There are several legitimate reasons why we are at war and perhaps one day we could all sit down and talk about them, but not at 'Roo. 'Roo is for happy thoughts only. I have been to war, and I will probably go back to war, and I'm ok with that. I am tired of people telling me that I was misled! I know what I signed up for, and I know what I re-enlisted for. And, if you want to know how Soldiers protect your freedom, dismantle the military today and we'll see just how free you will be tommorrow.
Some artist would not be able ot put on a show if they left politics out. As mentioned earlier, Franti and Spearhead are very political. A large portion of thier setlist contains very politically charged lyrics. This is just what they are as a band. If you dont want to hear politics on stage, then definitely stay away from Franti and spearhead.
Also stay away if you don't want to grin like a madman, and be continually urged to get up and start jumPING! ;D
Post by AintNoFreedom on Apr 27, 2007 12:17:10 GMT -5
Well I certainly don't dispute the existence of terrorists or anti-American factions... I'm not that naive. But did Saddam Hussein's regime threaten the U.S. and our freedoms? I'd say not. You can get into the debate over whether it's an "occupation" of Iraq, or a "liberation", or at this point a "peacekeeping force", but the 'terrorists' over there are not so much a threat to Americans as they are to their countrymen and Israel. There's also the argument that the threat terrorists pose is greatly exaggerated, but canexplain is certainly right with his point that yes, soldiers, just by existing, help keep us free... but not always so much the wars they fight. Also, joeydigz, YOU are right, in that 'roo is for happy thoughts only...
But, as for politics from the artists at 'Roo... What makes me love some of these people's music is their emotion, spirit, and meaning behind their songs... If they ignored the things going on in the world, and neutered themselves in an effort not to offend anyone... I'd be sorely disappointed.
Post by canexplain on Apr 27, 2007 12:22:06 GMT -5
aintnofreedom said:
Well I certainly don't dispute the existence of terrorists or anti-American factions... I'm not that naive. But did Saddam Hussein's regime threaten the U.S. and our freedoms? I'd say not. You can get into the debate over whether it's an "occupation" of Iraq, or a "liberation", or at this point a "peacekeeping force", but the 'terrorists' over there are not so much a threat to Americans as they are to their countrymen and Israel. There's also the argument that the threat terrorists pose is greatly exaggerated, but canexplain is certainly right with his point that yes, soldiers, just by existing, help keep us free... but not always so much the wars they fight. Also, joeydigz, YOU are right, in that 'roo is for happy thoughts only...
But, as for politics from the artists at 'Roo... What makes me love some of these people's music is their emotion, spirit, and meaning behind their songs... If they ignored the things going on in the world, and neutered themselves in an effort not to offend anyone... I'd be sorely disappointed.
i would be disappointed too ... right or wrong, remember when sheneed sp tore up the pic of the pope, talk about balls lol cr****
One one hand, the fact that we have a highly skilled and highly armed military force is probably a good thing. It keeps most of the riff-raff and lunatic nations from doing anything stupid.
On the other hand, I would agree that most of the recent military engagements (aside from Afghanistan) were more of a display of power than a response to a real threat to Joe Sixpack and Suzy Soccermom. I'd admit that my own understanding of a lot of the post WWII action is pretty limited, but if they were in response to dangerous threats (i.e. terrorism) then, I would think, those threats would be pretty obvious.
I think keeping things vague leads us into the current mess of multiple wars on "x" that cannot be won...
Oh - and as far as Sinead - that was badass. I bought the SNL music retrospective DVD's - a big part of my decision was to see that again. I remember watching that when I was really young - probably 10 or 11, and thinking "holy shit, that was the most radical thing I've ever seen". And I don't mean "radical" like the ninja turtles... So kudos to her for basically throwing her career away to make a point. I'm sure most people didn't agree with it or even know why (hell, im not even sure). the commentary said in the dress rehersal she tore up a picture of something else and the whole "pope" pic was a complete surprise.
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Post by canexplain on Apr 27, 2007 12:25:27 GMT -5
oh btw on artists and politics ... one of my favorite people like that is Neil Young .. i went to the bridge concert in san francisco for 8 years running, and if i remember right, he talked politics (and about the kids of course) every time .... now he is the sort of musican that i could call my hero .. cr****
karma to everyone for keeping this thread civil! its awesome that we can get together and share such different opinions and not flame!!! karma, karma, karma......
"White collar conservative flashin down the street, pointing that plastic finger at me, they all assume my kind will drop and die, but I'm gonna wave my freak flag high." Jimi Hendrix
What I think has to be pointed out is the distinction between the government, the military and the soldier. The government decides the mission, the military decides the strategy and the soldier follows orders. Whether you agree with war or not has nothing to do with the individual soldier. He cannot question the mission or the orders. If you hate the war, it is due to the government and by proxy, all of us.
To say a soldier is or is not fighting for freedom is questioning the mission over which he has no control. That's our responsibility. To ask that question of the soldier is to question his intent. I am sure it is every soldier's intent to fight to protect his country and its freedoms.
I said this in another thread and I thoroughly believe it. The soldiers cannot speak for themselves regarding the mission (especially if they are against it.) We, in a civilian controlled military, are their voice. We decide what they will fight and die for and against. We are therefore obligated to speak out both for or against the war. It is our social responsibility to be the soldiers voice and make sure they are on the "right" side. To stand back and watch soldiers die for an unjust cause is treasonous. Dissension is not only our right but our obligation.
"That's the big thing about education. People can be book smart, but not really intelligent about anything else. A lot of times they just taking in all this information and regurgitate it. It's much more important to process it and personalize it. To apply it to your world, to your life. You have to walk the walk, or you can't really report about it honestly."
Post by blazinhazen on Apr 27, 2007 14:19:25 GMT -5
aintnofreedom said:
lauraroo said:
Thanks to all the soldiers past and present who have served to keep our music free so we can have the wonderful world of Bonnaroo. We have YOU to thank for this.
You know, this is a little off topic... and it'll probably cost me some serious karma points, but is it REALLY true that soldiers have protected any of our freedoms since WWII?
I mean, haven't all the wars the U.S.A's been involved in since just proxy wars and used in some sort of struggle to create a world with our brand of commerce? Who has been a true threat to our freedoms? The Vietnamese? The Nicaraguans? The Iraqis?
I have friends who are in the military, and have no problems with those who choose that path... it's a huge sacrifice... But a lot of people have been saying things like, "thanks for keeping us free". It just seems like a buzzword or a default thing to say... But I just don't understand how my freedom of speech has been threatened by anyone other than domestic powers lately, as opposed to foreign enemies.
that's my opinion too. i really wish the usa was more like our neighbor from the north (shout out to all our canadian comrades)...with a military that is primarily for protecting our citizens here at home. imo (& only mine), the usa seems to get involved in other countries business (or create problems at times). i'm a peace-loving, pro-diplomacy type of girl. with that said, i still have nothing against anyone who chooses to serve in the military...not my thing & i'm glad it's voluntary. do i support everything that our government does...f*ck no! i'm as left-leaning as they come but i realize that everyone has the right to their own values. i wish our government would spend our hard-earned tax $$$ on reducing poverty, providing universal health care, & things that i think are far more important than whatever it is that we are supposed to be accomplishing in Iraq (does anybody know?). but again...just my own personal opinion.
What I think has to be pointed out is the distinction between the government, the military and the soldier. The government decides the mission, the military decides the strategy and the soldier follows orders. Whether you agree with war or not has nothing to do with the individual soldier. He cannot question the mission or the orders. If you hate the war, it is due to the government and by proxy, all of us.
To say a soldier is or is not fighting for freedom is questioning the mission over which he has no control. That's our responsibility. To ask that question of the soldier is to question his intent. I am sure it is every soldier's intent to fight to protect his country and its freedoms.
I said this in another thread and I thoroughly believe it. The soldiers cannot speak for themselves regarding the mission (especially if they are against it.) We, in a civilian controlled military, are their voice. We decide what they will fight and die for and against. We are therefore obligated to speak out both for or against the war. It is our social responsibility to be the soldiers voice and make sure they are on the "right" side. To stand back and watch soldiers die for an unjust cause is treasonous. Dissension is not only our right but our obligation.
"White collar conservative flashin down the street, pointing that plastic finger at me, they all assume my kind will drop and die, but I'm gonna wave my freak flag high." Jimi Hendrix
ok - the way I look at the "freedom" issue is this - we are a democracy, right? that is part of what our freedom is - in the UNited States - we get to vote - we have a say so in who runs our country (not always the right person, but we still get the vote), we have the right to keep and bear arms, we have the right to speak our minds without worrying about being threatened, tortured, jailed or killed. All of these things happen in communist countries. The key to our military being the "world police" and stepping in is exactly what other posters have said - it is a show of force which hopefully will keep China and other countries from thinking that we can have a Pearl Harbour all over again. JMO for what it is worth.
Oh - and I managed to get smited for the first time since I have been on this board and I believe it was due to one of my earlier posts in this thread - please don't smite me just because I have an opinion that differs from yours.
so, we should throw our weight around just to show them who's boss?
I personally don't like people like that, much less a military force.
RE: Pearl Harbor comment^^^ I think Japan learned it's lesson after we nuked them and then dismantled their military. Iraq is nothing like that anyway, they didn't attack us and as we've learned they had no plans to.
so, we should throw our weight around just to show them who's boss?
I personally don't like people like that, much less a military force.
RE: Pearl Harbor comment^^^ I think Japan learned it's lesson after we nuked them and then dismantled their military. Iraq is nothing like that anyway, they didn't attack us and as we've learned they had no plans to.
I don't like people like that either - but the fact is - our military force is much like that. It is survival of the fittest - truthfully - if we are capable of defending ourseves and show that we are - the less likely it is that we will actually have to defend ourselves in North America.
as joeydigz said:
And, if you want to know how Soldiers protect your freedom, dismantle the military today and we'll see just how free you will be tommorrow.
Post by megamaniac on Apr 27, 2007 17:25:52 GMT -5
aintnofreedom said:
Well I certainly don't dispute the existence of terrorists or anti-American factions... I'm not that naive. But did Saddam Hussein's regime threaten the U.S. and our freedoms? I'd say not. You can get into the debate over whether it's an "occupation" of Iraq, or a "liberation", or at this point a "peacekeeping force", but the 'terrorists' over there are not so much a threat to Americans as they are to their countrymen and Israel. There's also the argument that the threat terrorists pose is greatly exaggerated, but canexplain is certainly right with his point that yes, soldiers, just by existing, help keep us free... but not always so much the wars they fight. Also, joeydigz, YOU are right, in that 'roo is for happy thoughts only...
But, as for politics from the artists at 'Roo... What makes me love some of these people's music is their emotion, spirit, and meaning behind their songs... If they ignored the things going on in the world, and neutered themselves in an effort not to offend anyone... I'd be sorely disappointed.
Sorry for bringing this up but I had to throw in my .02 on this header here.
First of all North Vietnam is a communist country invading a democratic southern vietnam and if North Vietnam was succesful they would have that whole peninsula and communism would reign ove that whole artea making there economy for weapons stronger and many more people would have been voluntold they are in the military making them stronger. So in a way we didnt protect our freedom we protected others.
1991 Saddam killed kurds by the thousands with chemical warfare ( people in his own country ) then he invaded Kuwait a democratic country in the middle east actually the only !!! We drove them out of kuwait. So we helped freedom there.
In a sense I cannot explain this war that I am in right now and I dont think a lot of people can either over here I hear the question almost everyday why are we here. We dont know but we do know is that one of the worst dictators in history besides Hitler is out of reign.
so, we should throw our weight around just to show them who's boss?
I personally don't like people like that, much less a military force.
RE: Pearl Harbor comment^^^ I think Japan learned it's lesson after we nuked them and then dismantled their military. Iraq is nothing like that anyway, they didn't attack us and as we've learned they had no plans to.
I don't like people like that either - but the fact is - our military force is much like that. It is survival of the fittest - truthfully - if we are capable of defending ourseves and show that we are - the less likely it is that we will actually have to defend ourselves in North America.
as joeydigz said:
And, if you want to know how Soldiers protect your freedom, dismantle the military today and we'll see just how free you will be tommorrow.
The existance of our strong military DOES protect us. I agree. I just don't think bombing the snot out of a country, that was not a threat to us, has done us any good. If anything it has harmed our status in the world. Not to mention the torturing, the deceptions, and the stubborness of our esteemed leaders.
according to your logic, maybe we should bomb France too, That'd show 'em.
RE: Sadaam
Yes in '91 he used chemical weapons on his own people. Yes, he was a very VERY bad guy.
in '03, when the war started, he was a neutered dictator. The sanctions imposed by Clinton worked. HE WAS NOT A THREAT. No WMD's, no affiliation with al-queida, etc. I believe there were other options besides putting our young men and women in harm's way and killing Iraqi citizens.
Post by canexplain on Apr 27, 2007 17:50:07 GMT -5
you are pretty much right on what you said, but read What you said .... helping so viet, helping kurds, helping opps not us ... we could use that excuse even with our friends , say canada, if we were in charge of canada, i bet it would help us too ... you can say in the long run it helped us "saving the world", but another old saying "are we to be the police of the world", who gave us that job in the first place, and who says we are right to begin with ... hummmm ... cr**** when we all die and go up or down or wherever, yikes what if we learn that democracy was the downfall of human kind for one reason or another with how we change the climate with our excessive consumption, kill animals to eat, and generally just screw up the world, but do it in a very fine fashion ... dont forget your crocs on the way up, oh and one last starbuck and that 3rd honda we just have to have...... ps, i was joking about canada, not a very good example ;D
Post by megamaniac on Apr 27, 2007 18:26:35 GMT -5
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RE: Sadaam
Yes in '91 he used chemical weapons on his own people. Yes, he was a very VERY bad guy.
in '03, when the war started, he was a neutered dictator. The sanctions imposed by Clinton worked. HE WAS NOT A THREAT. No WMD's, no affiliation with al-queida, etc. I believe there were other options besides putting our young men and women in harm's way and killing Iraqi citizens.
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First and foremost I never said anything about coming to Iraq now I was just mentioning before why we did. I in my own personal opinion is that Jr. wanted to show Sr up !!!!! Look dad I did what you couldnt do !!!! This war over here is nothing but money Halliburton / KBR they are the ones profiting off of this war and who was the presidnt of Halliburton / KBR ???
Post by AintNoFreedom on Apr 27, 2007 23:21:11 GMT -5
megamaniac said:
Sorry for bringing this up but I had to throw in my .02 on this header here.
First of all North Vietnam is a communist country invading a democratic southern vietnam and if North Vietnam was succesful they would have that whole peninsula and communism would reign ove that whole artea making there economy for weapons stronger and many more people would have been voluntold they are in the military making them stronger. So in a way we didnt protect our freedom we protected others.
1991 Saddam killed kurds by the thousands with chemical warfare ( people in his own country ) then he invaded Kuwait a democratic country in the middle east actually the only !!! We drove them out of kuwait. So we helped freedom there.
In a sense I cannot explain this war that I am in right now and I dont think a lot of people can either over here I hear the question almost everyday why are we here. We dont know but we do know is that one of the worst dictators in history besides Hitler is out of reign.
First of all, if South Vietnam was democratic... then I'm the Queen of England. The reason the Vietnam war happened was because N. and S. Vietnam had agreed to have a unification election, when it was apparent the communists were going to win, we assured the South Vietnamese our support and pressured them to back out. In fact, we even installed Diem as president in the South because he was pro-Western, and when he proved incompetent... we assassinated him. As for Saddam, we knew he was putting people through wood chippers and hanging people from bridges in the 80's, but at the time he was our BFF in the middle east because he was against religious fundamentalists (ironic, eh?) and hated Iran (who we also armed, via Israel). Oh, and the gas he used on the Kurds? Wasn't it made from materials given to him from the U.S...? We just hoped he used it on Iran instead. Conflict in the Middle East = higher oil prices, and good for business. Sure, Kuwait needed our help, but if they didn't have oil, forget about it. If the U.S. government was really all about other people's freedom, why aren't we doing anything about Darfur or the Congo (or what about ALL of Africa?!)? For more proof that America's "freedom spreading" track record is not as pristine as we're told... look up the School of The Americas, particularly in regards to Nicaragua and El Salvador. If throwing women to their death out of helicopters is equivalent to justice and freedom, then I guess I've been misled.
Hey Guys, we could argue about this war from now 'till June 14th, and I promise you that nobody will change thier opinion. As a matter of fact, our elected officials have proven that we could debate for the next 8 years and not reach an agreement. I started this thread because I already knew how MOST of you felt about the war, and I was just curious how you felt about partying it up with the men and women who support the war. Three things that will always be true are:
1. Soldiers will always fight wars. 2. Hippies will always be against those wars 3. In June there are 4 days when #1 and #2 aren't imporatant, and Soldiers and Hippies will get together and party thier a**es off!
I do whatever my Rice Krispies tell me to...
;D