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Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Nov 3, 2008 15:44:43 GMT -5
I don't think I have seen this posted in here yet, but with the rumors of Led Zeppelin setting out on tour without Plant and then the article on jambase today I wonder who would still want Led Zeppelin without Plant. I personally do not. He is a huge part of the band, I would say harder to replace than Page, and its basically just a cover band without him imo. After seeing him with Allison Krauss i know he can still do it better than anyone, although she would be a sweet replacement herself. Whats your guys take on it?
At this point, I'm inclined to say that it doesn't make any difference. When I first started listening to Zeppelin, Plant was the element that was most difficult to overcome. The combination of guitar, bass and drum was what drew me in. Bonham's gone. Therefore so is Zeppelin.
The fact is this incarnation of Zeppelin wouldn't have to change the keys without Plant and will probably sound MORE Zeppelin without him. But if they're going to find a replacement, I don't think just finding a singer is sufficient. They need to find somebody who brings something to the table that's different. Just my opinion.
If The Who can tour without Enwhistle or Moon, Zeppelin can tour without Plant or Bonham.
Post by StreetBum87 on Nov 4, 2008 19:03:18 GMT -5
i must say....i would like to see it....i mean yeah bonham and plant not there....u got bonhams son...jpj, and not to mention one of the greatest guitar players of all time....JIMMY PAGE well i could really not care either way if they came or not
I didn't vote, because I don't know how I feel about that. I read the article, and I suppose they might tour under a new name. I'd pay to see Page and JPJ, but I think I agree it's not really LZ without the remaining three at least.
My question for those who are opposed to it would simply be this: did you got to Plant/Krauss because you dug their album or because you wanted to hear them play Zeppelin songs? So if Page and JPJ put together a band and did a tour that heavily favored Zeppelin tunes, would that not in fact be better than Plant/Krauss?
If Waters can go around playing Dark Side of the Moon by himself and McCartney can globe trot stadiums playing Beatles tunes, Page/JPJ can tour without Plant.
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Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Nov 11, 2008 0:43:45 GMT -5
I went to hear their album, I actually never checked out any of their Zeppelin covers beforehand, but I'm sure you're right that a lot of people were there to see Plant sing Zeppelin. I just generally do not have interest in seeing reunions without the lead singer. I could care less about seeing Rush without Geddy, or Queen without Freddie Mercury. That is just generally my opinion when this happens. I rather see Plant playing Zep tunes with a different band rather than Page and JPJ playing with a new singer. I wouldn't pay Zeppelin prices to see either though.
I just generally do not have interest in seeing reunions without the lead singer. I could care less about seeing Rush without Geddy, or Queen without Freddie Mercury
I don't care how good they are with Paul Rodgers, Freddie Mercury was a huge part of Queen, and to see them without him would just seem like a joke. I'm not a even a Queen fan, but I saw the new incarnation on TV and it just wasn't right
My question for those who are opposed to it would simply be this: did you got to Plant/Krauss because you dug their album or because you wanted to hear them play Zeppelin songs? So if Page and JPJ put together a band and did a tour that heavily favored Zeppelin tunes, would that not in fact be better than Plant/Krauss?
If Waters can go around playing Dark Side of the Moon by himself and McCartney can globe trot stadiums playing Beatles tunes, Page/JPJ can tour without Plant.
Yes, they can, just don't call it "Led Zeppelin"... call it JPJ and Page, or something else.
^^Agreed. Just like it wasn't called Led Zeppelin when Robert Plant and Jimmy Page toured back in the 90's - it was called Page and Plant, because that's all it was.
Did anyone catch the Jimmy Page & Black Crowes tour 7-8 years back? Though it couldn't replace Zeppelin itself, it was still a pretty killer show. Probably one of the ten best concerts I've ever seen.
As far as I'm concerned, Plant doesn't have to be involved for it to rock your ass. Is Plant preferable? Definitely. Necessary? Only if they want to call it Led Zeppelin.
Did anyone catch the Jimmy Page & Black Crowes tour 7-8 years back? Though it couldn't replace Zeppelin itself, it was still a pretty killer show. Probably one of the ten best concerts I've ever seen.
As far as I'm concerned, Plant doesn't have to be involved for it to rock your ass. Is Plant preferable? Definitely. Necessary? Only if they want to call it Led Zeppelin.
WHY HASN'T CHRIS ROBINSON BEEN ASKED TO DO VOCALS FOR THE NEW LED ZEPPELIN THING? OR WARREN HAYNES? I DON'T MUCH CARE FOR ALTER BRIDGE
Post by strumntheguitar on Nov 28, 2008 0:24:51 GMT -5
For nostalgia's sake it would be awesome for Plant to be with them. But let's be honest... They probably could and would sound closer to the actual Zeppelin with a different, perhaps younger singer. Does anybody really think Plant could belt out Immigrant Song like he used to?
The O2 show was awesome from the recording I've heard. Absolutely rockin, no doubt about it. But it didn't sound like the old Zeppelin so much.
For nostalgia's sake it would be awesome for Plant to be with them. But let's be honest... They probably could and would sound closer to the actual Zeppelin with a different, perhaps younger singer. Does anybody really think Plant could belt out Immigrant Song like he used to?
The O2 show was awesome from the recording I've heard. Absolutely rockin, no doubt about it. But it didn't sound like the old Zeppelin so much.
I don't think anyone can match Plant's vocals, but Allison Krauss came pretty damn close.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Dec 1, 2008 1:20:29 GMT -5
I actually didn't like them and thought the vocals were horrible. If you want to find someone to match Plants vocals in his prime, its probably gonna be a woman.
Post by suspendedzen on Dec 1, 2008 11:31:40 GMT -5
I can only think of one person who might've ever been capable of filling Plant's shoes (as it were) but, unfortunatley, Jeff Buckley drowned about a decade ago.
My question for those who are opposed to it would simply be this: did you got to Plant/Krauss because you dug their album or because you wanted to hear them play Zeppelin songs? So if Page and JPJ put together a band and did a tour that heavily favored Zeppelin tunes, would that not in fact be better than Plant/Krauss?
If Waters can go around playing Dark Side of the Moon by himself and McCartney can globe trot stadiums playing Beatles tunes, Page/JPJ can tour without Plant.
Those guys sing the songs. The voice is pretty important. Yeah, drummers and bass players are necessary and, in cases like Moon/Bonham/Entwistle, iconic, but to the vast majority of listeners it is the voice that is most recognizable, most important.
There's a huge difference between John Bonham being dead & a band fronted by the Alter Bridge singer calling itself Led Zeppelin.
My question for those who are opposed to it would simply be this: did you got to Plant/Krauss because you dug their album or because you wanted to hear them play Zeppelin songs? So if Page and JPJ put together a band and did a tour that heavily favored Zeppelin tunes, would that not in fact be better than Plant/Krauss?
If Waters can go around playing Dark Side of the Moon by himself and McCartney can globe trot stadiums playing Beatles tunes, Page/JPJ can tour without Plant.
Those guys sing the songs. The voice is pretty important. Yeah, drummers and bass players are necessary and, in cases like Moon/Bonham/Entwistle, iconic, but to the vast majority of listeners it is the voice that is most recognizable, most important.
There's a huge difference between John Bonham being dead & a band fronted by the Alter Bridge singer calling itself Led Zeppelin.
If Plant was the author of most of the songs, I might agree. But it's pretty clear Page was the primary talent behind Zeppelin, not Plant. If Plant and Jones were doing this, I might agree with you about it being a bit of a sham, but the fact is Page was pretty much Zeppelin. His guitar is what people primarily remember. And I would argue Bonham's drumming after that.
I mean, I can totally understand why you might feel the need to complain about it and voice opposition, but for me, particularly in the case of Zeppelin, I just don't care. If they do play, I probably won't see the act unless they come to Bonnaroo or ACL a year I'm there. And Plant was my least favorite element of Zeppelin. Someone earlier said that the only guy who could sing like Plant was Jeff Buckley, but that's way overrating what Plant could do vocally in his prime. I think someone like Chris Cornell could easily fill in and do a serviceable job pretending to be Plant.
Post by strumntheguitar on Dec 1, 2008 16:31:02 GMT -5
^^I would probably say that Plant is much more memorable than you are making him out to be, but that's a matter of personal opinion I guess. I just find it hard to believe that the vocalist of a prominent group such as Zeppelin is the least recognizable in the group, as I assume you would probably agree that JPJ's influence was more noticeable than Plants (a valid argument, I must say)
And as far as the Waters and McCartney reference in your previous post, all I can say to that is yeah, they can go and play those songs that they were a part of. But Roger Waters isn't touring under the name Pink Floyd, and Paul McCartney isn't billed as The Beatles. Page and JPJ should tour as Page and JPJ, not Led Zeppelin. I'd actually be very cool with seeing that, but I'd be a bit bothered if they still called themselves Led Zeppelin
Post by suspendedzen on Dec 1, 2008 17:03:36 GMT -5
I'm going to go poll 100 people on what they think of first with Led Zeppelin, the guitar or the voice. If more than 10 pick Jimmy Page I'll send you a dollar, Dudezer.
