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I dont want my phone tapped because you and I talked on the phone. So no I dont think its a good thing. Selling cigarettes knowingly kills thousands of people each year when is that going to be a crime. Selling alcohol to an obviously intoxicated person is a crime yet the conviction of that offense isnt as prevalent as the guy selling weed. Yet not one single death has ever been recorded from weed. Nope go get a warrent and do your job prove me guilty dont make me prove myself guilty buy recording me and my buddies talking about selling to each other when one of us is out because strangers will get you busted.
You're being a little ridiculous. If you think that the ability to tap phones was done so that the government could find you and your friends who enjoy some cannabis then you're a little crazy sounding.
You keep going back to personal use of illegal substances and how you don't want the government to know about that. You keep leaving out the real target of these methods which are terrorists.
Stop making this about you. The government doesn't REALLY care if you puff on a bowl. I feel pretty confident that when the leaders of this nation were coming up with the Patriot and Homeland acts they weren't thinking "Awesome! Now we can catch that dime-bag dealer in the middle of nowhere and listen to all their phone conversations and arrest their friends".
I think the bigger threats were in mind. Not you and your friend. Until these hypothetical situations happen to you then why are you so upset? You're worried about what could maybe, possibly happen and that just seems a little silly
You do realize that the PATRIOT Act has been mostly used for dr ugs and other non-terrorist activities right? One report I saw had it used for terrorist related activities like .2% of the time.
Where did you hear it was used 2% of the time? I just know within state limits, local and state police take care of drug- related crimes and the patriot act only reserves the power for federal government.
Anyone who's questioning me on whether - not when - this situation leads to American boots on the ground needs to ask themselves... when was the last time this country got this close to a war and subsequently was not a participant?
Hate to break it to you, you idealistic hippies... but this is America's third war.
Bosnia-Herzegovina. US ran bombing raids, and NATO was the peacekeeping force.
Anyone who's questioning me on whether - not when - this situation leads to American boots on the ground needs to ask themselves... when was the last time this country got this close to a war and subsequently was not a participant?
Hate to break it to you, you idealistic hippies... but this is America's third war.
Bosnia-Herzegovina. US ran bombing raids, and NATO was the peacekeeping force.
You beat me to it, if our involvement escalates I am going to have a real issue with it. However I comfortable with our current level of participation.
You do realize that the PATRIOT Act has been mostly used for dr ugs and other non-terrorist activities right? One report I saw had it used for terrorist related activities like .2% of the time.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 26, 2011 14:10:36 GMT -5
And they said I was paranoid the other day I live with in the 100 mile radious of the boarder and there are 4 times the law enforcement agents. So I guess paranoia has served us full time residence well. As well as being informed.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Mar 26, 2011 14:47:07 GMT -5
It's possible that I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like that chart is showing requests for warrants in Cleveland and Akron. How does that relate to the problem that was raised by arlenefavreau1 about the warrantless wire taps granted by the PATRIOT Act?
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 26, 2011 15:10:10 GMT -5
In the northern section in Ohio there was 1 in the rest of the country there was 87 in 2006. In the northern section in Ohio there was 5 in the in the rest of the country there was 419 in 2007. In the northern section in Ohio there was 1 in the rest of the country there was 760 in 2008. In the northern section in Ohio there was 3 in the rest of the country there was 1,145 in 2009. Now where I live theres the boarder patrol the N,Y, state police theres the dea theres the tribal police then we have campus police city police and finally the dec which by the way are the most powerful of all because they dont even need a warrent to come on your land all they need is " the beliefe " that there was or is a crime being committed. Now I'm not claimming that ALL those for the rest of the country are up here but I know we see more choppers and unmaned drones flying over head than my folks in fla see.
This is my olive branch to you, arlenefavreau. Even though it says delayed warrants. It still means you need a warrant for COURT submitted material. But as far as tapped communications go, your paranoia is justified. Advice i have for my friends I will repeat. "keep it small, keep it discreet, and if its not decriminalized in your state, assess the risks".
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 26, 2011 17:28:00 GMT -5
Thank you I accept your olive branch. It's just that alot goes on up here due to the two indian reservations. We actually got to see the indians in Altona N,Y shoot down a N,Y police helicopter then take over the town and not one indian go to jail. The police were flying over the reservation looking for canabis. Now we have cars going to Malone for the reservation there going accross the border to the reservation on the Canadian side (same reservation on both sides just two differrent countrys) cigarettes, canabis ,liquor,people.
It's possible that I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like that chart is showing requests for warrants in Cleveland and Akron. How does that relate to the problem that was raised by arlenefavreau1 about the warrantless wire taps granted by the PATRIOT Act?
No, it's showing nationwide requests. Only the top left is talking about Ohio. And it's talking about sneak and peek warrants which were made almost automatic by the PATRIOT Act (as you can see by the fact they went from 87 to 1,145 from 2006 to 2009 nationwide)
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 27, 2011 10:21:23 GMT -5
Legalize it tax it have a computer collect those taxes then disperse those taxes. That way theres no chance of greed because all that computer needs is electricity ans servers.
Legalize it tax it have a computer collect those taxes then disperse those taxes. That way theres no chance of greed because all that computer needs is electricity ans servers.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 27, 2011 10:54:24 GMT -5
Make it so those taxes are automatically go toward paying offthe national deficet after thats paid in full put it towards education or health care some other need that is a necessity of our american people. Kind of like the N,Y state lottery is supposed to go toward education but we actually pay several huge salleries before one dime goes to education.
Make it so those taxes are automatically go toward paying offthe national deficet after thats paid in full put it towards education or health care some other need that is a necessity of our american people. Kind of like the N,Y state lottery is supposed to go toward education but we actually pay several huge salleries before one dime goes to education.
Have you explained yet why you can't put together a coherent post? I'm pretty sure we would agree on a lot of things but I can't understand what the hell you're trying to say...