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Thanks for the link. I LOVE the spectrum. I saw my first ever Phish show there on 12/15/95. I saw them there a total of 6 times. You can tell that they love playing there.
i just copied and pasted this from the oh kee pa. take it with a grain of salt.
Re: phish is returning to red rocks in july! « Result #8 on Dec 16, 2008, 8:22am (3 days ago) »
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Dec 15, 2008, 9:07pm, danceswithwooks wrote:
looks like trey will get his wish to be the last band to play at the spectrum and it will happen on his b-day. i'm also hearing they might play up to six nights there before it closes!
I'm floating in the Blympalot I feel the feeling I forgot Swimming weightless in the womb Bouncing gently round the room In a minute I'll be free And we'll be splashing in the sea...
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! ;D
(sorry its my last day at work and im pheeling extra phissshyy) ;D ;D
singing along to Phish is requirement for life IMO
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damnit! i hate missing a good argument. i love how people are talking about the contracts superfly has with phish that say no other fests. its funny shit. these mythical contracts for this mythical line up. did zeppelin make that agreement too? i still say its way more likely that jay-z or guns n roses will play then phish. and if phish does play i doubt they would sign anything that would limit them to playing roo and only roo. its phish. after last year superfly would floss with treys brownish red butt hairs to have phish save roo. they arent going to be giving them silly clauses. its phish. and if they play roo it seems to me it would be more likely that they would play other fests too or atleast have their own fest and not sign some ridiculous clause with roo. and i still say its crazy talk. phish isnt going to play roo. what now that rolling stone mentioned it as a rumor its more likely??? lol phish rumors with roo happen every year. and led zeppelin was playing last year. and mtv bought it. the excitement of the phish reunion has got ya all buying into it. its really pretty laughable. its far more likely that we will finally see another fest happening on the roo farm and that this fest will feature phish. maybe in september. but hey maybe its true. if so ill see you there. (i know your all excited for that) and if phish is on tour and playing fests then i dont see why they cant play 10klf, echo, or rothbury. sure they cant have 100,000 people but if there is a tour and 3 or 4 phests they dont need to hold 100,000. maybe theres not much talk about that type of thing happening but that dosent mean shit. i think its more believable that phish is goin to do a 3 night stand in my back yard then it is that superfly has contracts with all sorts of silly clauses that phish wouldnt agree to. and why would superfly even ask for something like that???? if phish plays roo it sells out no matter what. it dosent matter if phish is playing rothbury 2 weeks after roo and 10klf 2 weeks after that. they will all sell out easily. it just dosent make any sense. all of these rumors is pretty funny and hard to believe if you ask me. which im sure no one did. but there ya go anyhow.
btw- its good to see the opinion police are still on patrol. i thought maybe without me keeping them on their toes that an opinion differing from theirs might have fallen through the cracks.
I was lying in a burned out basement With the full moon in my eyes. I was hoping for replacement When the sun burst thru the sky. There was a band playing in my head And I felt like getting high.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
but hey maybe its true. if so ill see you there. (i know your all excited for that)
I've got the crow thawed and ready.
damn! and im still full from that helping of crow after radiohead. but if phish plays roo ill eat my crow with a smile from ear to ear. the corn will overpower the crow anyhow.
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damnit! i hate missing a good argument. i love how people are talking about the contracts superfly has with phish that say no other fests. its funny poop. these mythical contracts for this mythical line up. did zeppelin make that agreement too? i still say its way more likely that jay-z or guns n roses will play then phish. and if phish does play i doubt they would sign anything that would limit them to playing roo and only roo. its phish. after last year superfly would floss with treys brownish red butt hairs to have phish save roo. they arent going to be giving them silly clauses. its phish. and if they play roo it seems to me it would be more likely that they would play other fests too or atleast have their own fest and not sign some ridiculous clause with roo. and i still say its crazy talk. phish isnt going to play roo. what now that rolling stone mentioned it as a rumor its more likely??? lol phish rumors with roo happen every year. and led zeppelin was playing last year. and mtv bought it. the excitement of the phish reunion has got ya all buying into it. its really pretty laughable. its far more likely that we will finally see another fest happening on the roo farm and that this fest will feature phish. maybe in september. but hey maybe its true. if so ill see you there. (i know your all excited for that) and if phish is on tour and playing fests then i dont see why they cant play 10klf, echo, or rothbury. sure they cant have 100,000 people but if there is a tour and 3 or 4 phests they dont need to hold 100,000. maybe theres not much talk about that type of thing happening but that dosent mean poop. i think its more believable that phish is goin to do a 3 night stand in my back yard then it is that superfly has contracts with all sorts of silly clauses that phish wouldnt agree to. and why would superfly even ask for something like that???? if phish plays roo it sells out no matter what. it dosent matter if phish is playing rothbury 2 weeks after roo and 10klf 2 weeks after that. they will all sell out easily. it just dosent make any sense. all of these rumors is pretty funny and hard to believe if you ask me. which im sure no one did. but there ya go anyhow.
btw- its good to see the opinion police are still on patrol. i thought maybe without me keeping them on their toes that an opinion differing from theirs might have fallen through the cracks.
Once again, The Dude shows what a f*ckin moron he is. Let me guess, you've never seen Phish either? You are clearly completely unaware that Phish is managed by Coran Capshaw and Red Light Communications, who are heavily involved in Bonnaroo. AND LOL at Phish playing 10K lakes. You're a grade A idiot, Dude, why you even come here when you hate Bonnaroo so much makes me laugh. You just come to spout hippified nonsense encrusted with granola that is anti-Bonnaroo at all turns.
The pretendica hippies like Keith make me laugh so f*cking hard. They think they know what is best for Phish and Bonnaroo etc. etc. Granola all the way. Forget that it's a business, put the hippie mentality first. What these pretendica hippies always ALWAYS miss is that neither Phish nor Bonnaroo cares about what hippies think. Both want to create a genuine music experience in which people from all walks of life can embrace.
If you don't get that, you flat out don't get Phish or Bonnaroo.
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As awesome as that would be those are fake. The tour won't be 2 months long. PHish hasn't had a two month long tour since 1995 (excluding summer tours where they went tour Europe)
don't worry, I think with ticket prices what they are, AND with phish on the bill, Bonnaroo will try to sell as many tickets as they can, and will leave tickets on sale as it approaches the 90,000 or 100,000 mark. They didn't do nearly as well as they would have liked with ticket sales last year, and if they did get phish they shelled out cash to do it. So they would need to make up for both. I think Phish could sell out the festival, but I also think that many of the fans who attended the Phish fests of old are now 30-somethings, and the idea of travelling to Tennessee for something other than the Phish fests is not something they consider lightly. The x-factor is how many new fans there are, and from reading this thread alone, It's possible there are alot.
time will tell.
Not to nitpick, but Superfly has said before that they won't go back to the 90-100k person mark. They said that the numbers were just too high, and that 80k was a good cap.
That's not saying that they WON'T, I just don't think it's likely.
For the record, Superfly announced in 2006. The 2005 festival sold less than 80,000 tickets. I forget the exact number, but I want to say it was around 72,000 tickets. With the Radiohead announcement in 2006, they said they would scale back to 80K. I personally believe that that "cap" announcement was spurious at best. It was generated to give people the indication that the festival might sell out. But they made this announcement knowing full well that they never sold 80,000 tickets in the year prior to that. Since then, in 2007 and 2008 they have not hit 80,000 tickets. I believe they didn't even hit 70,000 last year. I think if the ticket sales rise above 80,000 this year early on (say prior to May), they will leave them onsale. Bonnaroo 2004 drew around 90,000. The extra 10,000 really didn't make much of a difference imo. What made the difference that year was the torrential downpour. I'm not saying I'm right, but I do find it curious that they haven't officially capped the festival since 2006, especially when they are consistently falling short of the cap.
I thought this was worth posting. This is by fellow Phishhead, and jambands contributor Dean Budnick. I think he is spot on with this. FWIW, this was in direct reaction to the Bob Lefsetz blog post.
Phish at Bonnaroo Dean Budnick 2008-12-18 So people are starting to squawk openly about something that had been making the rounds over the past month or so, news that Phish might well be performing at this year's Bonnaroo (and harking back to the first year of the festival when Widespread Panic closed out the final two days of the fest, Phish may well do so this year).
I have received some emails from folks disappointed about the fact that Phish would be performing at Bonnaroo in 2009 rather than organizing their own event (assuming one precludes the other, which I would assume it does). Beyond that, in the latest edition of the Lefsetz Letter, music industry maven Bob Lefsetz has chimed in. His comments appear below but be sure to visit his blog for the full majesty of Lefsetz...
*****"Phish At Bonnaroo" from The Lefsetz Letter*****
Would the Stones play Coachella?
Who gives a shit about the Stones. But Phish fans are diehards. Phishheads believe that Phish is God. They trekked to see the band at its own festivals, year after year. Is the band afraid they can't sell a ticket anymore?
This is no way to come back, playing it safe. Phishheads don't want to hang with Springsteen fans at some clusterfuck in Tennessee. Yes, Bruce is rumored for Bonnaroo too.
No one's special anymore. No one means anything. A festival is bigger than any act. Which is why the best can go on sale without listing any participants.
A great band is sui generis. It should never open for anyone. It's not part of the scene, it IS the scene.
Phish should do arenas. Then its own festival. It's hard not to believe they're doing Bonnaroo because of their manager's involvement.
You might think this is bullshit. You'll point to the gross. You'll say everyone's happy. I'll say this is the kind of thinking that fucked up our business. It's only about money, not about soul. Phish should only think about its fans. Not its manager's need to sell out a festival that dropped significantly in attendance last year.
Festivals are the new radio show. Do a few and you can't tour independently, i.e. on your own. You fatten the coffers of the promoter, but you fuck your own career.
Come on. A good song is not good enough. We're in a business where greatness is important. If you're not willing to split hairs, if you're not willing to argue the details of a band's career, then you're not a rock and roll fan. Fans worry about the minutiae. It's only Live Nation, beholden to Wall Street, that does not care about the man on the street.
You might say it's about the hang. About going to the show and getting fucked up with your brethren. I'll say it's about the music.
Maybe a festival is too much about the hang. Which is why Phish should not be playing Bonnaroo. Because it's the music that entranced its fans, the communal hang came after.
Do you want to mix your Sweet Sixteen with a Bar Mitzvah party? Do you want a vacation where you can bowl, surf and ski? Come on. Have a little self-respect.
Phish's comeback might fail, but let's see if they can stand on their own two feet.
Or maybe Phish is the new Jack Johnson. Maybe they're gonna play EVERY festival this summer.
Utterfuckinghogwash.
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Good line about Jack Johnson's Festival Tour '08 and in general I agree with his sentiments (as I usually do, Bob is a big booster of grassroots music over hype). However, I think he misses out on one fundamental issue at play here.
Back in 2004, when Phish announced that it would be stepping away, one of the factors that the band members cited was the expansiveness of their organization. Beyond that, the four of them expressed some frustration with their administrative responsibilities, some of which certainly required creativity, but had little, if anything, to do with the creation of music. As the band steps tentatively forward into 2009 (come to think of it, I doubt they'll be all that tentative once they hit the stage) and looks to build musical momentum, these concerns regarding the business enterprise of Phish remain potential obstacles.
If Phish would return to Northern New England for the next Clifford Ball (or even hosted a Lemonwheel on the Bonnaroo site), these issues would rise to the fore rather quickly. Each of the band's festivals resonated as they did because of the small decisions that made for a more-compelling whole. The group's attention to such details helped transform these concerts into vivid all-compassing festival experiences. This is not to say that the group was intimately involved in every minor decision, just that they were consulted on a variety of them (which, incidentally is why Bonnaroo will prove comfortable. In more than one sense Phish spawned Bonnaroo. Aside from the fact that the festival initially drew on the jamband scene that Phish helped to animate, much of the Bonnaroo design team, including Russ Bennett and John Bisbee previously worked on the Phish events).
Listen, I'd love to revisit IT but for Phish to be the Phish that so many folks hope they can be, the group really can't go out there and rely on energy and muscle memory to pull them through. Instead, they'll need to dig in and rehearse. So let's let them command the big stage at Bonnaroo (hey, at least you won't be able to grouse about that festival shunning its roots) because all things being equal, I'd rather have Fish, Mike, Trey and Page focusing on what should be paramount: the music.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Dec 20, 2008 11:41:04 GMT -5
I don't buy the "Phish shouldn't play Roo because they should do their own festival".
Why can't they do both? Why can't Phish play bonnaroo and also do their own festival? It doesn't make sense that it should be one or the other. It just seems crazy to me that people think they shouldn't play as much as possible and deny Bonnaroo fans of the chance to see Phish live.
Of course they could do their own festival. They have before and know they could. But why not just do Roo where you can show up and play and then set up your own festival and deal with all the logistics of it later on.
It just seems crazy to me that people think they shouldn't play as much as possible and deny Bonnaroo fans of the chance to see Phish live....Damn people why the hate.
Because Phish is too heady for those poser custies at that laughing-stock festie.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
O.K. I have to say that I have never really understood the whole Phish thing. But, I also will admit that I have never given them a chance. I've only ever heard a couple of their songs.
That being said, I am so committed to having as much fun at 'Roo this year as I did last year, that I am dedicating myself to listening to an entire Phish CD every day, Monday through Friday for the next six months.
Since I already bought my VIP tickets, I am hell-bent on being a Phish Phan by June. Come hell or high water.
;D 
