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So, I've been thinking....and I think that Phish's Friday night show may not be the all-night-long extravaganza that some are speculating. Allow me to explain:
- They're scheduled for just 3 hours. Of course, late-night artists at Bonnaroo go over all the time. However, 3 hours is an odd time; that wouldn't even truly encompass a regular, 2-set Phish show. If that's what we were getting, I'd imagine it would have been a 4 hour block.
- Phish is still getting back into the groove of things. Hampton was great, but was essentially devoid of long, free-form jamming. Instead, they focused on the compositions, and played way more songs than I've ever heard them play. Now, when Roo rolls around they'll have had several months more of practice, plus a week's worth of shows on the road, but still. When they played the 7-hour set at Big Cypress, they were a fairly well-oiled machine. Could they pull if off right now? Hard to say.
- Rumors abound about some sort of "special" set (3-D lights, etc). While we should take all rumors with a grain of salt, these seem to be the most prevalent.
- If they were going to do some sort of extended, all-night-long party, why wouldn't Bonnaroo announce it and schedule it? Phish reuniting is a major draw. If people knew that they were going to pull out some Big Cypress-type marathoning, it would likely sell more tickets. Superfly would be smart enough to know this and thus promote this extra-long set.
The more I think about it, the more I think that 11-2 time frame is going to be pretty accurate. They might run over some, but I don't think they'll be playing at 4. I think we're going to get a special set, for sure: but I think it's going to be a 3+ hour show, no setbreak, some sort of crazy light set up, maybe some special guests.
Just my two cents.
Once again Jug I've had similar thoughts. My thinking was if it is 2 sets then we will more than likely see 3- 4am. If it is one big monster I am thinking more like 2:30- 3am. Even with guests I am not sure the sets will be much longer maybe 20 -30 mins, unless it is some sort of superjam from 2 -4 which I am doubting but would no doubt love. I'll take either and have no preference as to which they do.
I would prefer it not to be like Big Cypress's 7:45 marathon while it had its many highlights there was lots of Ambient jam and somewhat unfocused noodling that became background music at times. A nice funky, jammy Phish with tighter control and a more focused direction for me is what I'd like at 'roo. Although that 7:45 was an amazing feat that no other band will pull off and I'm am more than proud to have witnessed it (and hung for the whole set) it was by no means the best set of the weekend. Many of the 1.5 smokers blew that big set away.
I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right---P.T. Barnum "As I was walking up the stairs I met a man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today I wish to God he'd go away."
I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right---P.T. Barnum "As I was walking up the stairs I met a man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today I wish to God he'd go away."
I would prefer it not to be like Big Cypress's 7:45 marathon while it had its many highlights there was lots of Ambient jam and somewhat unfocused noodling that became background music at times. A nice funky, jammy Phish with tighter control and a more focused direction for me is what I'd like at 'roo. Although that 7:45 was an amazing feat that no other band will pull off and I'm am more than proud to have witnessed it (and hung for the whole set) it was by no means the best set of the weekend. Many of the 1.5 smokers blew that big set away.
Well said, man.... plus, the Big Cypress set could never be replicated anyway. There was just too much that went into it... a perfect storm, really (which includes the whole millennium thing). Bonnaroo, as cool as it is, could never be the setting for something that authentic and genuine to happen - at least not with Phish. And I love the 'Roo....
How did this turn into a Phish cant handle a long time slot convo? Sure they have been off the court for a while but they are pros, legends. Michael Jordan hasnt played in years but I bet he could still put on a hell of a show.
How did this turn into a Phish cant handle a long time slot convo? Sure they have been off the court for a while but they are pros, legends. Michael Jordan hasnt played in years but I bet he could still put on a hell of a show.
Because it's a relevant, interesting point to discuss. When Bonnaroo hits, Phish will only have about 10 shows under their belts over the last 5 years. That's a hell of a long time off. Could they pull off a marathon 7-hour set right now? Maybe. But should they? Maybe not. Since 2002, Phish has been at their best when they've been focused. I think a tight, 3+ hour show would be perfect.
well, the sunday slot will not be an all night affair - isnt that really the tight, typical concert show? the late night on friday is, from what i can see, their only real chance on this tour to have a blow out performance until the wee hours.
well, the sunday slot will not be an all night affair - isnt that really the tight, typical concert show? the late night on friday is, from what i can see, their only real chance on this tour to have a blow out performance until the wee hours.
But that surmises that a "blow out" until the "wee hours" is what they would do, given the opportunity. Big Cypress aside, Phish (while showing a penchant for long, jammed out songs) hasn't ever really made a habit out of all-night affairs. Hell, even in their own festivals (Clifford Ball, Great Went, Lemonwheel, Oswego, IT, Coventry) they stayed pretty close to the formula - sets between an hour and a half. If this type of thing wasn't happening when they were in their prime, why would we assume it would happen here? I really think the "special" time slot isn't because they'll be playing all night, it's because they're going to have some sort of truly epic visual show that's going to be tightly choreographed to the 3-hour slot they've been given.
Well three hours is about what they play not counting set breaks now. I am still holding out for a little bit longer, maybe like a 1 hour or so encore, but I will be happy with whatever I get. My big thing is I have no desire to go see electronica, and that is all that is on afterwords.
Post by candyflippedaround on May 28, 2009 11:22:43 GMT -5
yeah im on the keep on playing till i die side in this discussion. i want a good show, but why cant that show be 5 instead of 3 hours? i dont want them to keep playing for any other reason than the 4 of them looking out over the crowd and being like, "well shit, we just cant stop playing now!"
well, the sunday slot will not be an all night affair - isnt that really the tight, typical concert show? the late night on friday is, from what i can see, their only real chance on this tour to have a blow out performance until the wee hours.
But that surmises that a "blow out" until the "wee hours" is what they would do, given the opportunity. Big Cypress aside, Phish (while showing a penchant for long, jammed out songs) hasn't ever really made a habit out of all-night affairs. Hell, even in their own festivals (Clifford Ball, Great Went, Lemonwheel, Oswego, IT, Coventry) they stayed pretty close to the formula - sets between an hour and a half. If this type of thing wasn't happening when they were in their prime, why would we assume it would happen here? I really think the "special" time slot isn't because they'll be playing all night, it's because they're going to have some sort of truly epic visual show that's going to be tightly choreographed to the 3-hour slot they've been given.
True True Jugg Cypress was in fact the only time they did the all night thing even like you said at their own festys where for the most part I don't think there were any time restraints in place. So I am inclined to agree that we will see a 3-4 hr set not 5-7 and that they will leave the stage before 4am. Which works well for me, then the whole next day is not shot. For me, if they went to 7am, the next day would be a real drag and I've got a lot of music to see on Sat. to the wee hours. So an extra 3-4 hours sleep Fri night/Sat. morn suits me perfect.
I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right---P.T. Barnum "As I was walking up the stairs I met a man who wasn't there He wasn't there again today I wish to God he'd go away."
But that surmises that a "blow out" until the "wee hours" is what they would do, given the opportunity. Big Cypress aside, Phish (while showing a penchant for long, jammed out songs) hasn't ever really made a habit out of all-night affairs. Hell, even in their own festivals (Clifford Ball, Great Went, Lemonwheel, Oswego, IT, Coventry) they stayed pretty close to the formula - sets between an hour and a half. If this type of thing wasn't happening when they were in their prime, why would we assume it would happen here? I really think the "special" time slot isn't because they'll be playing all night, it's because they're going to have some sort of truly epic visual show that's going to be tightly choreographed to the 3-hour slot they've been given.
True True Jugg Cypress was in fact the only time they did the all night thing even like you said at their own festys where for the most part I don't think there were any time restraints in place. So I am inclined to agree that we will see a 3-4 hr set not 5-7 and that they will leave the stage before 4am. Which works well for me, then the whole next day is not shot. For me, if they went to 7am, the next day would be a real drag and I've got a lot of music to see on Sat. to the wee hours. So an extra 3-4 hours sleep Fri night/Sat. morn suits me perfect.
Totally agree with you rojimmy, but can't help but feel like I'm beginning to get a little old....
haha thank you i've never gotten Phish lotto tickets before, so i was just expecting normal tickets, when i opened the envelope i practically shouted at how awesome they looked haha