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My guess is it will return to a sunday afternoon slot. Latenight just seems too full already this year.
The only reason I think that might not happen is b/c the Phish closer is likely to be a bit of a superjam in and of itself. Would they do two superjam-esque shows in one day?
Post by BonnarooDetective on Mar 2, 2009 13:07:05 GMT -5
I was one of the people that didn't care for the '08 Superjam and here is why:
It wasn't a Superjam.
Basically, what we got last year was Gogol plus Claypool (and Hammet for a few songs). The whole set was like an extended Gogol Bordello show. All the songs were gypsyed up, and they all sounded like Gogol songs. If I wanted that, I would have attended Gogol's regular show. Although Claypool was involved, he really did not solo much at all. The was very little "jamming" to speak of, and for the long-anticipated Les Claypool Superjam, there wasn't really much to be said for what Claypool was doing. He kept a nice groove for most of the songs, but did not really contribute on the level that you would expect Claypool to. Also, a lot of the previous Superjams featured a special guest who was not in attendance with another band. Last year we did not get anything special. We basically just got a Gogol Bordello as a cover band. Superjam is supposed to be a crazy amalgomation of performers who get together for a once in a lifetime jam session. The drummer, guitarist, and vocalist should not all be from the same band - that really defeats the purpose of a Superjam.
I also agree with Sangreal and Juggernaut - '06 was not really a Superjam. GRAB played lots of other shows after that performance. Phil did come out for a few songs (only one of which was a Dead tune). But on the whole, I felt like I got something too pre-planned, and not a unique experience.
I was one of the people that didn't care for the '08 Superjam and here is why:
It wasn't a Superjam.
Basically, what we got last year was Gogol plus Claypool (and Hammet for a few songs). The whole set was like an extended Gogol Bordello show. All the songs were gypsyed up, and they all sounded like Gogol songs. If I wanted that, I would have attended Gogol's regular show. Although Claypool was involved, he really did not solo much at all. The was very little "jamming" to speak of, and for the long-anticipated Les Claypool Superjam, there wasn't really much to be said for what Claypool was doing. He kept a nice groove for most of the songs, but did not really contribute on the level that you would expect Claypool to. Also, a lot of the previous Superjams featured a special guest who was not in attendance with another band. Last year we did not get anything special. We basically just got a Gogol Bordello as a cover band. Superjam is supposed to be a crazy amalgomation of performers who get together for a once in a lifetime jam session. The drummer, guitarist, and vocalist should not all be from the same band - that really defeats the purpose of a Superjam.
I also agree with Sangreal and Juggernaut - '06 was not really a Superjam. GRAB played lots of other shows after that performance. Phil did come out for a few songs (only one of which was a Dead tune). But on the whole, I felt like I got something too pre-planned, and not a unique experience.
It was unannouced with the show being called the superjam, so it was a superjam.
Yeah, but that would be like if they had "SuperJam" on the lineup this year, and then at that scheduled time, Robert Randolph and the Family Band came out and played a pretty standard RR&tFB set. It wouldn't really be a "SuperJam" the way it was in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008 where a unique group of musicians came together for a one-off performance.
Although that may not be a Superjam - it sounds like a GREAT idea.
While the 06 superjam might have been in name only, I was more than happy to see GRAB. And Phil coming out for Going Down the Road Feeling Bad and Casey Jones was icing on the cake.
Golgol Bordello + Les Claypool was a dancing night of FUN!!! I don't get what is so weird about Gypsy Punx with a killer bassist, and Tom Waits covers? WHy is that so poopy or weird? I thought it was fun, and I love to sing Tom Waits songs...the place was pretty darn packed for seeing so many people who apparently didn't like it. Just my opinion though, and I LOVE Les, so whatever!
I think people were disappointed because it was pretty much just Golgol Bordello covering Tom Waits, for the most part. Could have something to do with the fact that GB isn't that great and is in fact, overrated and gimmicky.
I was one of the people that didn't care for the '08 Superjam and here is why:
It wasn't a Superjam.
Basically, what we got last year was Gogol plus Claypool (and Hammet for a few songs). The whole set was like an extended Gogol Bordello show. All the songs were gypsyed up, and they all sounded like Gogol songs. If I wanted that, I would have attended Gogol's regular show. Although Claypool was involved, he really did not solo much at all. The was very little "jamming" to speak of, and for the long-anticipated Les Claypool Superjam, there wasn't really much to be said for what Claypool was doing. He kept a nice groove for most of the songs, but did not really contribute on the level that you would expect Claypool to. Also, a lot of the previous Superjams featured a special guest who was not in attendance with another band. Last year we did not get anything special. We basically just got a Gogol Bordello as a cover band. Superjam is supposed to be a crazy amalgomation of performers who get together for a once in a lifetime jam session. The drummer, guitarist, and vocalist should not all be from the same band - that really defeats the purpose of a Superjam.
I also agree with Sangreal and Juggernaut - '06 was not really a Superjam. GRAB played lots of other shows after that performance. Phil did come out for a few songs (only one of which was a Dead tune). But on the whole, I felt like I got something too pre-planned, and not a unique experience.
I agree 100% wit this assesment. 06 & 08 were not superjams in the traditional Bonnaroo sense (although 08 was a bit closer, since the Claypool/Gogol combo didn't play anywhere else, while GRAB did a small tour)
However, I still count the 08 superjam as one of the best shows I saw last year. Of course, the best show I saw last year was undoubtbly Tom Waits the Tuesday after Roo, so that might tell you why I enjoyed it so much.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Golgol Bordello + Les Claypool was a dancing night of FUN!!! I don't get what is so weird about Gypsy Punx with a killer bassist, and Tom Waits covers? WHy is that so poopy or weird? I thought it was fun, and I love to sing Tom Waits songs...the place was pretty darn packed for seeing so many people who apparently didn't like it. Just my opinion though, and I LOVE Les, so whatever!
I think people were disappointed because it was pretty much just Golgol Bordello covering Tom Waits, for the most part. Could have something to do with the fact that GB isn't that great and is in fact, overrated and gimmicky.
I guess I LOVE their kind of "overrated & gimmicky" then! I love to have FUN!!!
I was one of the people that didn't care for the '08 Superjam and here is why:
It wasn't a Superjam.
Basically, what we got last year was Gogol plus Claypool (and Hammet for a few songs). The whole set was like an extended Gogol Bordello show. All the songs were gypsyed up, and they all sounded like Gogol songs. If I wanted that, I would have attended Gogol's regular show. Although Claypool was involved, he really did not solo much at all. The was very little "jamming" to speak of, and for the long-anticipated Les Claypool Superjam, there wasn't really much to be said for what Claypool was doing. He kept a nice groove for most of the songs, but did not really contribute on the level that you would expect Claypool to. Also, a lot of the previous Superjams featured a special guest who was not in attendance with another band. Last year we did not get anything special. We basically just got a Gogol Bordello as a cover band. Superjam is supposed to be a crazy amalgomation of performers who get together for a once in a lifetime jam session. The drummer, guitarist, and vocalist should not all be from the same band - that really defeats the purpose of a Superjam.
I also agree with Sangreal and Juggernaut - '06 was not really a Superjam. GRAB played lots of other shows after that performance. Phil did come out for a few songs (only one of which was a Dead tune). But on the whole, I felt like I got something too pre-planned, and not a unique experience.
THat's the best reason I have heard, and if that's your opinion then I truly respect your reason. Thank you. I am wondering, however, why so many people were so disappointed when we all KNEW that is how it was going to be...after all it was rehearsed. I agree that Les could have been more into it, but maybe that's how they planned it or yeah who knows.
I was one of the people that didn't care for the '08 Superjam and here is why:
It wasn't a Superjam.
Basically, what we got last year was Gogol plus Claypool (and Hammet for a few songs). The whole set was like an extended Gogol Bordello show. All the songs were gypsyed up, and they all sounded like Gogol songs. If I wanted that, I would have attended Gogol's regular show. Although Claypool was involved, he really did not solo much at all. The was very little "jamming" to speak of, and for the long-anticipated Les Claypool Superjam, there wasn't really much to be said for what Claypool was doing. He kept a nice groove for most of the songs, but did not really contribute on the level that you would expect Claypool to. Also, a lot of the previous Superjams featured a special guest who was not in attendance with another band. Last year we did not get anything special. We basically just got a Gogol Bordello as a cover band. Superjam is supposed to be a crazy amalgomation of performers who get together for a once in a lifetime jam session. The drummer, guitarist, and vocalist should not all be from the same band - that really defeats the purpose of a Superjam.
I also agree with Sangreal and Juggernaut - '06 was not really a Superjam. GRAB played lots of other shows after that performance. Phil did come out for a few songs (only one of which was a Dead tune). But on the whole, I felt like I got something too pre-planned, and not a unique experience.
I agree 100% wit this assesment. 06 & 08 were not superjams in the traditional Bonnaroo sense (although 08 was a bit closer, since the Claypool/Gogol combo didn't play anywhere else, while GRAB did a small tour)
However, I still count the 08 superjam as one of the best shows I saw last year. Of course, the best show I saw last year was undoubtbly Tom Waits the Tuesday after Roo, so that might tell you why I enjoyed it so much.
I saw him 2 weeks after 'roo. I really enjoyed it also, Les sang several songs, and the take on Tom's music was interesting to say the least. Les singing Down in the Hole, and Eugenes I don't Wanna Grow Up were my big highlights.
Could have something to do with the fact that GB isn't that great and is in fact, overrated and gimmicky.
Blasphemy! ;D
I love them, but I definitely realize they're not for everyone - even among my friends who listen to a lot of punk. I think just labeling them as gimmicky is kind of a cop-out though. They do something fairly unique and innovative. When I think of gimmicky bands, I think of acts like Gwar, The Village People, Gorillaz or Daft Punk - great bands, don't get me wrong (well besides The Village People), but their live shows are about the visuals almost as much as the music. Gogol is visually entertaining just through their stage presence, however.
I love them, but I definitely realize they're not for everyone - even among my friends who listen to a lot of punk. I think just labeling them as gimmicky is kind of a cop-out though. They do something fairly unique and innovative. When I think of gimmicky bands, I think of acts like Gwar, The Village People, Gorillaz or Daft Punk - great bands, don't get me wrong (well besides The Village People), but their live shows are about the visuals almost as much as the music. Gogol is visually entertaining just through their stage presence, however.
Um, they're not punk.
And I do consider them gimmicky - where the first time you see them you're like "wow, look at these crazy gypsies! they're so wacky!" After you've seen them once, it's like "meh."
They remind me of Matisyahu in that regard - at first, everyone was like "Oh my God he's Hasidim and he toasts and raps and beatboxes it's so cool!" Later on, everyone was like "oh, wait, he's really not that good and his music is pretty boring."
Actually they are punk. They are gypsy punk. Look at some of their song titles. A fair number have "Punk" in the title. They even say it themselves that they are gypsy punk.
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I love them, but I definitely realize they're not for everyone - even among my friends who listen to a lot of punk. I think just labeling them as gimmicky is kind of a cop-out though. They do something fairly unique and innovative. When I think of gimmicky bands, I think of acts like Gwar, The Village People, Gorillaz or Daft Punk - great bands, don't get me wrong (well besides The Village People), but their live shows are about the visuals almost as much as the music. Gogol is visually entertaining just through their stage presence, however.
Um, they're not punk.
And I do consider them gimmicky - where the first time you see them you're like "wow, look at these crazy gypsies! they're so wacky!" After you've seen them once, it's like "meh."
They remind me of Matisyahu in that regard - at first, everyone was like "Oh my God he's Hasidim and he toasts and raps and beatboxes it's so cool!" Later on, everyone was like "oh, wait, he's really not that good and his music is pretty boring."
Post by BigEyedPhish on Mar 3, 2009 14:54:11 GMT -5
I for one hated last years SuperJam. I'm just not a Gogol Bordello fan, so as happy as I was to see Les in the mix, it was just a giant gypsy-fest that left me confused as to why I wasn't at My Morning Jacket during this slot.
Actually they are punk. They are gypsy punk. Look at some of their song titles. A fair number have "Punk" in the title. They even say it themselves that they are gypsy punk.
Even though you are wrong, you are still the juggernaut bitch, to me.
That's great that they call themselves "Gypsy Punk". Miley Cyrus refers to herself as a "songwriter" and a "musician". Doesn't mean it's true.
For instance, I could form a bluegrass band and call myself the Banjo Jazz All-Stars. Doesn't mean I'm a jazz musician.
Doesn't mean you are not Jazz musicians though, look at Bela. I would Classify Gogol as a Punk band mainly based upon song content,and their sound. I mean you could call The Clash at times Reggae Punk, same thing goes for Sublime. All three are punk bands though IMO
That's great that they call themselves "Gypsy Punk". Miley Cyrus refers to herself as a "songwriter" and a "musician". Doesn't mean it's true.
For instance, I could form a bluegrass band and call myself the Banjo Jazz All-Stars. Doesn't mean I'm a jazz musician.
Doesn't mean you are not Jazz musicians though, look at Bela. I would Classify Gogol as a Punk band mainly based upon song content,and their sound. I mean you could call The Clash at times Reggae Punk, same thing goes for Sublime. All three are punk bands though IMO
^^^ THIS! Next someone will try to say Avril Lavigne ain't punk either.
I'd Love to see a guitar showdown...Trey, Warren and Ben melting face for a few hours would be nice..maybe they could play Boston Boston in its entirety
Doesn't mean you are not Jazz musicians though, look at Bela. I would Classify Gogol as a Punk band mainly based upon song content,and their sound. I mean you could call The Clash at times Reggae Punk, same thing goes for Sublime. All three are punk bands though IMO
^^^ THIS! Next someone will try to say Avril Lavigne ain't punk either.
Doesn't mean you are not Jazz musicians though, look at Bela. I would Classify Gogol as a Punk band mainly based upon song content,and their sound. I mean you could call The Clash at times Reggae Punk, same thing goes for Sublime. All three are punk bands though IMO
Yes, it does - fine, let me use another example. I play a banjo and sing old-timey standards, yet call myself "Rapmaster B". I am not an MC, despite my proclamations otherwise.
The Clash are grandfathers of punk music - they undoubtedly qualify.
I know many people who are heavy into the punk scene. If you tried to tell them that Golgol Bordello or Sublime was punk, they'd laugh in your face. It'd be the same reaction you'd get if you tried to tell hardcore Phish fans or Deadheads that OAR was a jamband.
Just because something is marketed as one thing doesn't mean that it actually is that thing.
Well there are several different flavors of Punk Rock, and Hardcore does not own the Genre that was started by The Ramones. I think Sublime, The Dead Milkmen, and several other bands you probably don't think count as "Punk", have just as much right to the Genre as the hardcore stuff.
^^^ THIS! Next someone will try to say Avril Lavigne ain't punk either.
she's not.
And I suppose The Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus aren't rock. (Just for the record, I wasn't being serious, tho she thinks she is. But I do agree with the Wolfman about the other punks.)
Post by BonnarooDetective on Mar 3, 2009 20:42:36 GMT -5
I have several comments:
- There are a lot of ways to classify and dissect punk music. It could be the back beat, the subject matter of songs, or simply the general attitude of the band. There are lots of modern "punk" acts that I do not consider punk at all - even if their wiki says so. That being said, I think Gogol is quasi-punk. They have a punk attitude, and a lot of their songs have a punk attitude. However, much of their actual music is not really punk at all.
- The Clash rules face.
- Karma to Wolfman for mentioning Dead Milkmen.
- When I think of Superjam I think of WWAAAAAIIIIIIILLLLIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGG guitar solos - which I suppose is why I did not care much for last year's Superjam. But I think this year will be different.
Post by monkeymonkeyjoyjoy on Mar 3, 2009 21:56:49 GMT -5
"New Band, Tainted Windows Includes Hanson Keyboardist
Singer and keyboardist Taylor Hanson of the sibling trio Hanson is performing in the new band Tinted Windows. The group also includes former Smashing Pumpkins guitarist James Iha; Adam Schlesinger, who played with Fountains Of Wayne and Ivy; and Cheap Trick drummer Bun E. Carlos. Tinted Windows' debut album will be out on April 21."
Wow...what a weird combo...which is why I'm bringing this up here. Just thought it very strange indeedilydoodily!!!
That's great that they call themselves "Gypsy Punk". Miley Cyrus refers to herself as a "songwriter" and a "musician". Doesn't mean it's true.
For instance, I could form a bluegrass band and call myself the Banjo Jazz All-Stars. Doesn't mean I'm a jazz musician.
Wow. You just compared Gogol Bordello and Miley Cyrus.
What do you classify as punk? Give me your definition... Gogol Bordello aside... tell me what you truly believe is punk.
And I was heavy into the punk scene, so it doesn't really matter that your friends are into punk and that they would laugh. They could tell me the bands they listen to, and I would probably laugh at a couple.
Other than that... your example of playing banjo and proclaiming yourself as an MC is so far off from the picture. It doesn't even come close to being a legitimate comparison.
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Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Mar 4, 2009 15:42:08 GMT -5
you dang punks! crankin your punky geetar riffs and yellin bout revoluting- or whatever its called. Stay off my grass and comb yer hair. Listen to Rush Limboff and learn ya sumpin!