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Let's face it, TMV and Ben Harper, quality real and perceived aside, are not in this discussion. NIN is all but confirmed for late night Saturday. And I don't think the Beasties are any bigger a name than Beck. We all know where he was slotted.
Speculation is fun!
Beastie Boys not a bigger name that Beck? Really? Beck is a great pre-headliner or what have you, but the Beastie Boys are definitely a headliner.
I know Beck is a bigger deal in my opinion, but yeah, on the whole, I'd say the Beasties are slightly bigger.
I really think some of you are overthinking and overanalyzing (LATERALUS). I see it going like this:
Friday: What Stage: 8:30 - 10:30 Beastie Boys 11:30ish - Whenever - Phish
Late Night tent shows: Girl Talk, Crystal Castles, Paul Oakenfold, Animal Collective, Femi Cuti, Galactic
Saturday What Stage: 5:30 - 7:30 Wilco 9:00 - 12:00 Bruce Springsteen 2:30 a.m. NIN special late night performance
Late night tent shows: Ben Harper, the Mars Volta (over right before or close to when NIN starts), others
Either Ben Harper or Mars Volta will get the Which Stage slot
While I have no problem what-so-ever of a BB heading pre Phish Late, it would be orgasmic if the Jay-Z rumors came true and we got BB>>Jay-Z>>Phish Late, personally that would be some fat titties
how on earth does this raise any speculation of another headliner? Phish Bruce Phish is enough to cover the headliners on Fri Sat and Sunday, wheres the room? Beasties, NIN, TMV, Ben Harper all take up valuable spaces too. I just dont see how switching Phish and Bruce around on sunday makes it any more likely for some other huge name to be added.
And i am kind of frustrated that Phish is on Sunday bc if it was Bruce no one in my group would want to leave sunday, but bc its Phish they will. im not leaving sunday though, i did that last year and i hated it. ill fight to the death on this one.
Let's face it, TMV and Ben Harper, quality real and perceived aside, are not in this discussion. NIN is all but confirmed for late night Saturday. And I don't think the Beasties are any bigger a name than Beck. We all know where he was slotted.
Speculation is fun!
Not talking about Harper TMV as headliners, but people who would have to be bumped down if another headliner was added. If someone replaces Beasties as the Friday headliner, beasties will therefore probably take up a slot that was formally presumed to be filled (i almost type philled here, woops) by Harper, TMV, NIN, or the other higher listed acts.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that the Beasties were the TOP billed act @ one of the most highly touted festivals of last summer, Langerado. Regardless of what has happened to that fest since, beasties were a big reason Langerado was such a big deal last year. Similar to NIN @ Lolla, the only bands billed higher than them were quacking RATM and Radiohead. These are biiiig names who could, and have headlined festivals comparable to the scale of Bonnaroo. As far as them not saying a word about these acts, its because the only real confusion was when are the Bruce/Phish headlining shows going to be? Now we know, everything else is going to be just the same as it was when we thought Bruce was the closer.
The only adds i see coming i would consider sub-headliner albeit huge adds, ABB or The Dead. (and this is wishful thinking aka dreaming)
Well if you are being that anal about their wording they never said Bruce was headlining saturday or that Phish was headlining sunday. They simply stated they were playing those nights so maybe they are adding three headliners OMGZ!
Yes, they did. The subject of the email was "Headliner Performance Dates Announced"
Let's face it, TMV and Ben Harper, quality real and perceived aside, are not in this discussion. NIN is all but confirmed for late night Saturday. And I don't think the Beasties are any bigger a name than Beck. We all know where he was slotted.
Speculation is fun!
I think a lot of people are forgetting that the Beasties were the TOP billed act @ one of the most highly touted festivals of last summer, Langerado. Regardless of what has happened to that fest since, beasties were a big reason Langerado was such a big deal last year. Similar to NIN @ Lolla, the only bands billed higher than them were quacking RATM and Radiohead. These are biiiig names who could, and have headlined festivals comparable to the scale of Bonnaroo.
Langerado isn't (wasn't) in the same league as Bonnaroo. Or Lollapalooza for that matter. By the way, Kanye West was billed higher than NiN at Lolla. I know, it's on the back of my shirt right now.
If the Beastie Boys were the Friday headliner this year and Phish wasn't going to play directly after them, people would be PISSED. It's not that they suck, but they aren't as big a draw as TOOL, Metallica or even Tom Petty.
Post by candyflippedaround on Feb 25, 2009 20:58:51 GMT -5
ah youre right, i kinda just blank kanye out for the most part haha
and no Langerado hasnt been consistently in the league of Roo. That really wasnt what i was trying to say. Langerado 08 was in the same league of Roo 08 though (imo, id have traded lineups in a heartbeat) and the beasties headlined.
Why does the headliner have to play that time slot? Could it be that this year the headliner on Friday night is playing a late set? Doesnt make them any less "headlining material" because they arent playing that 8:30 time slot.
I'm not sure I'm seeing the reasoning behind saying Phish is playing a late-night show Friday night if they're really headlining that night.
Phish is headlining the festival is why, so whenever they play, a headliner will be on stage. the difference is there is going to be a day they are in the normal headlining timeslot and theres going to be a day where they are playing in what is usually considered the late night acts. Therefore,a " headline" and "late-night" show. The crowd at the late-night presumably wont be that much smaller than the Sunday show. Friday = Lots more to see @ the same time but sunday = lots of people leaving.
ah youre right, i kinda just blank kanye out for the most part haha
and no Langerado hasnt been consistently in the league of Roo. That really wasnt what i was trying to say. Langerado 08 was in the same league of Roo 08 though (imo, id have traded lineups in a heartbeat) and the beasties headlined.
Eh, I don't know if I'd trade the whole lineup out, but I would have traded Metallica for the Beasties in a second.
Post by suspendedzen on Feb 25, 2009 21:15:28 GMT -5
Seems to me that if Phish were headlining Friday night they would have said they were headlining that night, but starting later than normal. They didnt say that. On the website, and in the email, it was made very clear that this was a headliner schedule. They then explicitly stated that Phish will play a latenight Friday night. Not headline later.
I think we all just need to realize a simple fact - Phish is headlining, but will be doing so starting much, much later than the usual 8 PM start time. Their headliner set for Friday will start around midnight.
IMO, that just means that the acts on the stages/tents will run later - so rather than there just being one act from 8-11, I think the other stages will continue to operate. This will be a good thing - more nighttime shows.
Im sorry I said pretty much the same thing you did without reading the thread....
last year they added WSP as a new headliner after we heard over and over and over about how Jack Johnson REALLY REALLY REALLY was gonna be a headliner for sure. why are people forswearing that something which happened not even one year ago couldnt possibly happen again? if anything, experience should tell you to expect MORE than the year before.
they know they need to have a bullet left in the gun to have something to announce to diffuse, if nothing else, the impending rothbury announcement. just like coachella is still trying to say that the effin killers are headlining a night. not freakin likely.
Post by candyflippedaround on Feb 25, 2009 21:20:28 GMT -5
thats why i said IMO. im looking at it now and i still feel the same way. heres what i would have loved to have last year from langerado
Roots, Mule, MMSW, Mickey Hart Band, STS9, Wailers, new deal, perpetual groove, Dan Deacon. There is also a lot on that lineup that would be on this list but they actually were at roo so no reason to add them haha
edit: Phish is headlining the festival, whenever they play, a headliner is playing. its semantics but it is what it is. Putting somoene on Fri/Sat/Sun 8-whenever makes them a headliner bc thats when headliners play. Put Phish on whenever and thats a headliner bc its Phish and its why half of the people are at the festival at all.
Post by jumpinjamesbrown on Feb 25, 2009 21:20:31 GMT -5
i love being right after some people thought i was totally crazy for saying the boss would play saturday vindication is sweet i don't know why they made the announcement the way they did it is strange in my opinion especially since i new in my gut that is how those three sets would go and the beastie boys are totally headlining material. the show i saw them play after the mix up came out is in my top 5 all time favorite shows.
Post by suspendedzen on Feb 25, 2009 21:22:36 GMT -5
Beastie Boys/management has a legit gripe if an announcement specifically for headliners went out without them mentioned once, if they are indeed a headliner. I'd like to think AC/SF would know better than to actively annoy a 'headliner.'
Post by candyflippedaround on Feb 25, 2009 21:27:22 GMT -5
whats the legit gripe? 'waaah why didnt you include uus?'
seems a bit trivial to think theres a huge add for the simple reason that they didnt explain something that not to many people are questioning to begin with
Some people here need to work on their reading comprehension. It clearly states who is headlining each of the three days.
We are pleased to announce that Phish will be performing on the Friday and Sunday of the festival weekend. The Friday show will be a special late night performance and the Sunday show will close out the weekend.
Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band will be performing on Saturday. Look for more details coming soon
last year they added WSP as a new headliner after we heard over and over and over about how Jack Johnson REALLY REALLY REALLY was gonna be a headliner for sure. why are people forswearing that something which happened not even one year ago couldnt possibly happen again? if anything, experience should tell you to expect MORE than the year before.
Widespread Panic was only to counter the Allman Bros. pulling out, remember?
Post by suspendedzen on Feb 25, 2009 21:33:35 GMT -5
I'm not going to go back and forth with you if you're going to throw back a thesis wherein Phish is the only band that matters, or whatever. If Beasties were signed to headline a night, and an email about headliners was sent out without them being mentioned once, they do have a complaint. It's kinda how the whole music/entertainment business thing works.
Post by candyflippedaround on Feb 25, 2009 21:35:59 GMT -5
yeah r has a point, in a way they are saying Phish is headlining Friday, its just at a time that is normally considered Late - Night. And, again i dont see how this exactly raises any suspicion of whos going to be in the typical headliner time bc logic would bring you to the next name on the list, Beastie Boys.
and im not saying Phish is the only band that matters, but they are a headliner. theyre a headliner whenever they play. them playing 2 hours after the time the headliner is schedule to go on the next night doesnt mean any smaller of a crowd is going to be drawn.
whats the legit gripe? 'waaah why didnt you include uus?'
seems a bit trivial to think theres a huge add for the simple reason that they didnt explain something that not to many people are questioning to begin with
that's EXACTLY the kind of stuff artists, or at least their business handlers, will gripe about. when you sign an act to the top of the festival, an important section of the contract is devoted to promotional considerations. any big artist is going to explicitly lay out the terms on which their name, logos, other copyrighted materials may be used by superfly to promote the festival. thats just business folks. if the beasties, or NIN were headliners, that distinction would definitely be covered in the advertising and promotions section of the contract. i guarantee when phish and bruce signed on, they put headliner status right into the contract. status IS a big deal in the world of commercial music because people who "headline" a big fest can use that as leverage to squeeze more money out of promoters in the future. the artists might not care too much, but i can assure you their "money people" do.
Some people here need to work on their reading comprehension. It clearly states who is headlining each of the three days.
We are pleased to announce that Phish will be performing on the Friday and Sunday of the festival weekend. The Friday show will be a special late night performance and the Sunday show will close out the weekend.
Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band will be performing on Saturday. Look for more details coming soon
ya, it really can't be stated any more clearly than this...
last year they added WSP as a new headliner after we heard over and over and over about how Jack Johnson REALLY REALLY REALLY was gonna be a headliner for sure. why are people forswearing that something which happened not even one year ago couldnt possibly happen again? if anything, experience should tell you to expect MORE than the year before.
Widespread Panic was only to counter the Allman Bros. pulling out, remember?
umm any proof of that at all? were the allmans ever scheduled to close the festival? nope. were the allmans one of the 5 i mentioned from last year? nope. was WSP clearly a headliner? yes. i don't how that is either certifiably true or relevant to my argument. they had 5 headliner level sets, they added a 6th, just like they would be doing this year.
Post by candyflippedaround on Feb 25, 2009 21:44:52 GMT -5
you seem unwilling to admit that Phish is a headlining act regardless of what day or time of day they go on, when that is just the facts. If it were Bruce with two nights, he would be a headliner whenever he went on be it 12 PM or 12 AM. hes the top name on the bill, hes the headliner. This doesnt really have anything to do with Phish having the fanbase they do, just the simple facts that they are a headliner with two shows.
Post by rooconteur on Feb 25, 2009 21:52:57 GMT -5
The beastie boys were headliners in 1988. Bonnaroo wants to be bigger than glasto. This announcment came a day after bruce was announced for glastonburu.
Friday headliner: abb, the dead, or the white stripes. Write it down