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If you were trying to prove her innocence, why would you begin that post by saying "I have some whistleblowing to do," because that doesn't seem like something you would say when you are trying to help someone.
You seriously haven't been paying attention here, have you?
It has been mentioned that I can often be quite anal about this game. I have clarified procedural questions in this thread. I have helped with vote tallies. I've reminded virgin Referee Bek about things she's missed while making tally posts. It was mentioned earlier that I usually quote the rules approximately every page when I play. I even had an exchange with our Referee over our differences in how to conduct the death stories.
It should not be that much of a stretch of the imagination that I would - and did - call out communication outside of the game. On the contrary, I think that was very characteristic of me.
I need to dispel the notion that I am Mafia. I can show how it's not possible.
It has been said I am Mafia, in cahoots with Handgun.
I played my unprecedented Ace, and both Sadie & Fishing stood up for what I'm saying. Sadie got whacked by the Mafia, so she's confirmed to be innocent.
If you're saying I'm Mafia, you are suggesting that I am in cahoots with these three players. Let's do some math here....
Number of Mafia = 3 kdogg + players he's allegedly in cahoots with = 4 4 > 3
Me and my alleged mob are too numerous to actually be Mafia, under these circumstances. This does not add up.
I know where you're all coming from going down the Handgun path. I just don't agree with where you are about her now.
If I do not agree with you guys on Handgun, it's because I've been thinking about it longer. I've been silently keeping tabs on her since Fish proposed the "Tara = innocent" scenario. Fish thought she was Mafia or another role. From what I read in his posts, I figured the other role he was talking about was Inspector.
I think that Fish was onto something with proposing Handgun was the Inspector. That also explains why she was the most prominent backer of a potential misconception: Bama as Inspector. That would be a good survival tactic for an Inspector to use, especially since they voted alike that first round.
I was watching her more closely last round, and figured she's more likely to be an Inspector than a Mafia. Her votes in the early rounds were consistent - consistently for Higgi, that is. Repeat voting is a good way of noting who might be Inspector, and I think Handgun's voting record in the early records fits that description.
I see enough overlap between what Handgun sees/thinks and what I see/think, that it looks to me she's a fellow innocent trying to sniff out Mafia. I'm innocent and I'm seeing a lot of the same things.
Given the choice between Handgun=Inspector and Handgun=Mafia, I think Handgun=Inspector is more likely. That's why I'm trying to stop you Townspeople from making what I see is a big mistake.
Note that Fish turned me on to the concepts of a still-living Inspector and Handgun as Mafia. He suggested it to me last round, has himself taken it into further consideration, and even HE isn't acting on it by voting for her this round.
A bandwagon has to involve a majority of people, doesn't it?
I honestly don't know whether she's Mafia or not. What I do know is that she is not the player I am most confident in voting for.
Why are you still going on about my guiltiness? I think I blew that notion out of the water over a round ago.
As I've said before, I am nearly positive the Mafia is piling their votes on Handgun. Because I know at least one Mafia member has voted for Handgun, that makes Handgun more likely innocent in my eyes. I also said before that I believe the Mafia is trying to rush a judgment against Handgun. Look who's pushing hardest to close the vote...
Higgi is the personification of the Mafia behavior I feel is going on here:
He's accusing ME (of all players) of being Mafia, after what I've done this game to prove otherwise.
I'm not seeing much evidence in his attacks; when called out, he'd rather attack me more than defend himself - I think that's because he knows he's got no case for himself.
Note that he's trying to shut me up when I try to tell the innocents that we're going in the wrong direction. I think this is the most he's engaged a player all game. I know I'm innocent, so that makes him look even more suspect to me.
He wants this round of voting to close as soon as possible, because he knows the judgment currently favors his agenda.
I'm not saying my vote for Higgi makes Handgun innocent. I am just a helluva lot more certain that Higgi is Mafia than that Handgun is Mafia.
We need to get rid of him, the sooner the better.
1. I believe you know exactly what I meant by using 'bandwagon' - and also you and HGH would make up a majority of the Mafia, wouldn't you? Yea, thought so. 2. What the quack makes you so innocent, just because you write a lot of contradicting nonsense does not make you innocent.. "ME of all people," clearly you have an edge on most of us because of your expertise in this game and I'm not buying your crap.. 3. In all honesty I am not completely sure you are guilty, but I would feel much better to have you gone. 4. If you believe HGH to be guilty and you also believe that I am guilty, please explain why she has been after me since round one, and I have voted her on several occasions. If indeed I am guilty, why am I voting my fellow mafia to death?
1. I believe you know exactly what I meant by using 'bandwagon' - and also you and HGH would make up a majority of the Mafia, wouldn't you? Yea, thought so.
I just addressed that in a previous post. No matter who I'm accused of being in cahoots with... you can't deny that Sadie & Fishingmaniac are ALSO in cahoots with me. If you say I'm in cahoots with another player in addition to those two, my being Mafia becomes mathematically flawed.
2. What the quack makes you so innocent, just because you write a lot of contradicting nonsense does not make you innocent.. "ME of all people," clearly you have an edge on most of us because of your expertise in this game and I'm not buying your crap..
What makes me so innocent is that I pointed out a typo in a PM message that only Townspeople would know. Two of them confirmed it.
I think it's quite possible that we could have all three Mafia left. If that is indeed the case, we Townspeople have to vote off a Mafia each and every remaining round to have a chance to win - and even that would leave one Mafia in a final round of three, who would have to be voted off by the other two players. If we have three Mafia currently, and if we don't catch one this round, the Mafia will have basically already won.
I'm innocent. Kill me and the Townspeople could very well lose this fucking game because of it.
4. If you believe HGH to be guilty and you also believe that I am guilty, please explain why she has been after me since round one, and I have voted her on several occasions. If indeed I am guilty, why am I voting my fellow mafia to death?
You're selectively using my arguments. I was suspicious of her, yes. Note that I was very civil in addressing the issue, and mentioned that I'd possibly support her if I liked what she had to say. Because, as Fishingmaniac first suggested to me, it is possible that we were wrong on Bama/Jack and that she is the actual Inspector. And in that case, she called you out.
Which is why I think you're so eager to get this vote over with and have her killed.
I am eager to get this vote over with bc the game is becoming long as hell..
Kel... I stuck up for your innocence back there when I shared our chat. Chatting outside the game was questionable, but I believe we were well-behaved. Anyhow, the train of thought arising from the situation led me to believe you're innocent. The only living player whose innocence I'm more sure of is my man Fishingmaniac.
I want this over with just as much as you, but I feel duty-bound to dissent as strongly as I am. I think we are making a big mistake here.
Do me a favor and please, please, please consider what I'm saying about Handgun & Higgi on this page & the second half of the previous page.
this is a pointless debate.. you are good at twisting people's words to suit what you're trying to say, which is precisely why I haven't said anything through the majority of this game.. But to be honest, it's been a shitty fucking day and this bickering is making it worse so I am done with mafia for the night.
My vote stays with HGH, and I will be voting for Kdogg next round... If I survive.
Bek, I am going to bed but want to say this first:
I think that no matter what happens between now and when he next shows up, you need to keep this round of voting open until our swing voter Fishingmaniac returns. It could spare us a run-off.
I think all seven of us, not to mention yourself, would agree that's a good thing.
voting is still open and remain open until I receive a death story. apparantly mine aren't good enough. although I must say that I don't see what it would matter if we waited on fishingmaniac because he voted for rooconteur. if he changed his vote to higgi, the vote would still be 4:3.
so yeah, when i get a story, you all will get a death.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Mar 24, 2009 8:56:49 GMT -5
I'm going to change my vote to higgi.
For those of you accusing Kdoogg of being mafia, bek confirmed that there was a typo in the email sent to the innocents. The fact that Kdogg knew this makes him irrefutably innocent.
I want Kelaroo to have time to reconsider this. I've made a plea to her which has gone unanswered either way. I think it's safe to say that debate is not over yet...
For those of you accusing Kdoogg of being mafia, bek confirmed that there was a typo in the email sent to the innocents. The fact that Kdogg knew this makes him irrefutably innocent.
The fact that I'm irrefutably innocent makes Higgi & Rooconteur look quite suspicious for continuing to challenge me on this. I think they are most likely our Mafia. Notice they were the first two to vote for Handgun, and extremely reluctant to even consider her innocence - even though the people who initially called her out on those things don't believe it now. I think they're ignoring our plea for Handgun's innocence because it works to their end goal.
Fish... I am 98% certain one of us will die tonight. We need to be prepared for this unfortunate eventuality. In that case, we need to have our Final Answers out there by the end of this round. I think it's Rooconteur & Higgi - how about you?
why don't you just wait till next round to to kill higgi?
I do not believe the Townspeople can afford to kill off an innocent, in this or any upcoming round. Doing so could quite possibly tip the scales in the Mafia's favor permanently.
I was innocent two pages ago, and I'm still innocent now.
I thought you & Higgi were guilty two pages ago, and I still think you're guilty now.
I could say that we Townspeople are about to shoot ourselves in the foot here, but at this point I think what we're about to do is more severe than a shot in the foot.
Then why hasn't handgun even bothered to defend herself? She knows she's guilty and she knows she's dead. She voted Higgi to throw us off bc he's the other mafia. She knew (thought) her voted didn't matter because she already had 4 votes against her. But if you really think I'm guilty, vote me off and you'll lose. Just do something soon.
Then why hasn't handgun even bothered to defend herself? She knows she's guilty and she knows she's dead. She voted Higgi to throw us off bc he's the other mafia. She knew (thought) her voted didn't matter because she already had 4 votes against her. But if you really think I'm guilty, vote me off and you'll lose. Just do something soon.
Handgun DID defend herself. I called her out at the end of page 18, and she obliged me by providing a scenario. I think there's validity to what she had to say - I'm seeing a lot of it myself - so I'm more inclined to believe the Handgun=Inspector part of Fish's theory.
I'm not saying I'm positive you're Mafia. As I said, I thought you were heading in the right direction for a while. You were my number one suspect - now Higgi is.
If you think Handgun & Higgi are both Mafia, then you should have no problem changing your vote to force them both into a run-off. I personally think that they've been after each other for too long for them to both be Mafia.
If you think Handgun & Higgi are both Mafia, then you should have no problem changing your vote to force them both into a run-off. .
It's already taken 8 days to play 3 mafia days. Do you really want to drag it out? And don't you think HGH would have outed herself or at least hinted at something when she knew she was dead, just waiting for Bek to confirm it. She had nothing to lose.
Let's whack hgh. The mafia will whack you. We'll whack Higgi. Game over.
Fine. I still think we're making a big mistake, but I'm well enough convinced I can't stop us from doing so.
I still believe the Mafia was involved with the Handgun/Tara voting back in Day One. We know it's not Jack or Bama because they both got whacked, so they're innocent. I just don't think that Tara, Higgi AND Handgun are/were all Mafia. I think it was probably two out of those three, though, and Handgun seems like the odd one out to me. I've already explained why I think there are Mafia voting for Handgun this round - I think that suggests her innocence. I think Tara & Higgi are Mafia in cahoots, and we should be concentrating our efforts into sniffing out their third associate.
I'm starting to suspect it may have been NBF after all. If that is the case, then... If you're right that Higgi & Handgun are both Mafia - it's a step in the right direction either way. If I'm right that Higgi's Mafia & Handgun isn't - we could very well have a Townspeople win.
You very well could be right. I just think that Higgi is a safer bet at this point. I should mention that I'd be a lot more likely to think you innocent (I'm on the fence about you now) if you vote on someone we can both agree is guilty.
