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Post by mahimahi1414 on May 8, 2009 23:43:09 GMT -5
So I was curious to see where people would be (especially for the less popular early acts) now that they can post the shows they want to attend. I'm sure this isn't statistically accurate because only a select group of people take the time to fill out their schedule a day after it is posted but I found it interesting to know which stages/tents will be busy when. Surprisingly, an overwhelming amount of people tend to go to a certain tent when there is no major act on a stage. I'm not sure how to account for this. I've tried to put people on the same line roughly when they are playing against each other, but this isn't always practical. Two notable examples are Midnite and Passion Pit have almost no overlap so I'd assume people will go from one to the other. Same goes for Ted Leo and Citizen Cope. Also I wasn't sure how to inset a table on here so I just print-screened and saved it as an image. If anyone wants pm me and I can email them the excel.
Wow...interesting. I'm happy to see high numbers for artists I didn't think would get a lot of love, yet also happy to see low numbers for artists I'm planning on seeing (better chance of a closer spot). Thanks for sharing!
Post by viciouscircle on May 9, 2009 9:08:40 GMT -5
Great job. I was thinking about doing something like this closer to Roo, but using these numbers to estimate the actual total number of people at any given stage, assuming a total attendance of 80,000. Then try to place it on a map, as well as in list form. It would be a bit of work though, but if you want to do that, we could split up the stages (and the math) and get a pretty close projection, I think.
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Great job. I was thinking about doing something like this closer to Roo, but using these numbers to estimate the actual total number of people at any given stage, assuming a total attendance of 80,000. Then try to place it on a map, as well as in list form. It would be a bit of work though, but if you want to do that, we could split up the stages (and the math) and get a pretty close projection, I think.
Yeah there would have to be more data to determine how much there would actually be but I'd definitely be up for it come closer to Roo.
Fascinating. Thanks for posting mahi, I will be curious to see how this develops. I wonder how much the "prediction" engine for Zoltaroo factors into what we are seeing now. For example, I wonder if the high number for a band like Midnight is driven by almost anyone who logs on getting recommended that.
Post by viciouscircle on May 10, 2009 10:09:15 GMT -5
Oh, that's a good point. 2500+ for Ted Leo, but only 400+ for Okkervil seems unlikely too. Same with Allen Toussaint getting ten times as many people as Robyn Hitchcock. Hopefully in a couple weeks that won't be much of a factor as more people actually enter their real schedule as opposed to the one Zola makes for them but right now it's probably having a substantial impact.
Mahi, let's try to do the total projection thing one week before Roo. I bet by then the number of people whose schedules are just Zolta's ideas will have dropped to an insignificant percentage. Also by then, I'll have run out of things to plan for Roo and will need another obsessive Roo based activity to get me through the last week!
Hopefully alot of people fill this out. I'm actually kind of impressed that 3600+ people already have. I'll definitely be watching this as the fest approaches. Thanks for pointing it out!!
I've asked this elsewhere, but does anyone know what the capacity of This, That and The Other tents are (in terms of being inside the tent....not inclusive of the periphery)? Just curious.
Post by captmonkey on May 15, 2009 14:46:16 GMT -5
Hmm... I think an interesting side-effect of this will be to see if the numbers cause the powers that be to change stages or shuffle artists. Seems like someone playing a cafe act with tons of people going to see them could get bumped up to a tent. I assume up until this point, the scheduling has all been based on guess work. Having a sample population say what they're going to could be a handy tool, if anyone uses it.
Sure, it's more representative of those who are willing to take the time to fill out a schedule than the average Bonnaroo goer, but you can draw some conclusions from it.
Sorry, that was just the statistics geek in me talking... erm... I mean this is really awesome!
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Post by mahimahi1414 on May 16, 2009 15:17:06 GMT -5
Updated. Looks like about 10% of Roo's attendance has filled it out.
Some people have expressed interest in helping with with making estimates on how many people will be at any given stage at any time. There's two things I would take into account with these numbers that I will need help from Roo veterans on. One is how many people will be watching people in Centeroo at any given time. Having gone to some festivals in the past, I know that there's always way more in attendance for the headliners than at noon, so having there basically be the same amount seeing artists has to be incorrect. There's no way that People Under the Stairs will get a bigger crowd than Nine Inch Nails
Also, the capacity of the tents or how many people will see a big tent act. Has it ever happened that 10 times as many people were at a tent when someone on the main stage was playing (as in Kaki King v. Itals).
I know VisciousCircles has expressed interest in helping me make sense of these numbers, if anyone else wants to as well just let me know or send me a pm.
Post by viciouscircle on May 16, 2009 17:41:16 GMT -5
The Kaki King vs. Itals is a little surprising, but on the other hand maybe alot of people avoid the main stage unless they really want to see someone there, since it's sprt of out of the loop. On the People Under the Stairs getting more than Nine Inch Nails, I think that makes sense just because they are playing against less competitionon Thursday night, whereas NIN is up against moe, Yaehsayer/MGMT and Ben Harper. Plus I think alot of people who might have seen NIN if they were on the What stage don't want to deal with a potentially overcrowded Which stage area. I'm pretty much just guessing, though.
The Kaki King vs. Itals is a little surprising, but on the other hand maybe alot of people avoid the main stage unless they really want to see someone there, since it's sprt of out of the loop. On the People Under the Stairs getting more than Nine Inch Nails, I think that makes sense just because they are playing against less competitionon Thursday night, whereas NIN is up against moe, Yaehsayer/MGMT and Ben Harper. Plus I think alot of people who might have seen NIN if they were on the What stage don't want to deal with a potentially overcrowded Which stage area. I'm pretty much just guessing, though.
But do tents ever get the amount of people the big acts on the main stage get? If Which is gonna be packed for NIN (which it will), wouldn't a tent be even more crowded? Like I would think WAY more people will be seeing bands late night Saturday than Thursday night (again I haven't been to Bonnaroo so I'm not completely sure). Same goes for early afternoon bands, most people simply won't be there although a lot filled out their schedule saying they will be.
Also Kaki King is weird because her Sonic stage performance only has under 200 people. Same goes for Ted Leo. So I have no idea why her normal performance is so packed.
Post by viciouscircle on May 16, 2009 19:17:40 GMT -5
Sonic stage performances tend to be shorter - I skip them because it's not worth it to me to leave something else and go there for a 30 minute set. I don't know if other people feel that way, though.
The total attendance in People Under the Stairs time slot is roughly 7,000. For NIN's time slot it's more than twice that, so it does look like the scheduler is showing more people overall for Saturday night vs. Thursday night. NIN is only getting about 1/3 of its time slot, People Under the Stairs is getting around 3/4 of their slot. It does seem unlikely that any tent show would get the same number of people as NIN though. I wonder if this could be an element of the scheduler choosing acts for people, and people tending not to bother deleting the choice it made if they aren't doing anything else.
I definitely think you are right about the early afternoon slots - alot of those are probably wishful thinking. Maybe we should try to get a sense of how much to cut those numbers - what percentage of people actually makes it to the early afternoon shows they have on their schedules? I'd guess no more than 70%, if that. Maybe a poll is in order...
Hey, thanks a ton for filling this out! I'm impressed that you're okay with updating it. I could help you out if you want, it seems like alot of numbers for one person. Just pm me the file and I can update it and send it back when you're too busy.
Thanks!
