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i think there are tons of options. u2, rolling stones, roger waters, paul mccartney, prince, eric clapton, the dead, red hot chili peppers, jay-z, foo fighters, incubus, 311, muse, flaming lips, kings of leon. i think those are probably the frontrunners to headline or sub-headline next year.
Post by dogfighter28 on Jun 22, 2009 9:53:18 GMT -5
Gilmour and Waters have played a lot recently - and Waters was at Coachella.
Bowie has been on hiatus for a long while now, and hasn't done any sort of festival.
Both would be huge, though. I think Gilmour is getting a little senile, though. I saw a video from the Pulse DVD I think which I thought was kind of lame, and that was many many years ago.
Gilmour and Waters have played a lot recently - and Waters was at Coachella.
Bowie has been on hiatus for a long while now, and hasn't done any sort of festival.
Both would be huge, though. I think Gilmour is getting a little senile, though. I saw a video from the Pulse DVD I think which I thought was kind of lame, and that was many many years ago.
Bowie, Waters, Gilmour
That would be my order of preference
i meant waters/gilmour together. i would agree with your order of preference, but i dont know if the general roo goer would. i think roger would be #1 on most lists. and probably would be on mine if i hadnt seen him like 8 times already.
Pure speculation here but what else is there 350 days before the fest? One band popped in my head as a potential headliner and I haven't seen them brought up anywhere. What about Aerosmith? Here's some things they've got going for them in my book -
1) They're big enough. I think that's safe to say. Bruce big? Debateable. But if you look at some of the classic rock acts (Police, Tom Petty) from the past, I'd say it would work. 2) They would potentially be down for some collaborations. Picture Joe Perry coming out and playing with ABB (this is a speculation thread, right?) or Stephen Tyler coming out for anybody. It could be fun if nothing else. 3) They're not U2 (Zing!)
i do love aerosmith (saw them a couple years ago, wanted to go to this tour but didn't have the $). just not a bonnaroo type band, in my opinion. while they are great classic rock, there is a difference between them and petty/bruce/police that it hard to put your ifnger on.
Yeah, Aerosmith is a great live act (saw them in 05, killer show), but, no, not at Roo.
There really isn't much that's going to get me back on the farm next year considering that Phish and Bruce are probably the two acts I would hand pick for my headliners. But, in terms of speculation, I'd go with:
Friday Pre-Headliner: The White Stripes Friday Headliner: AC/DC
Saturday Pre-Headliner: Kings of Leon Saturday Headliner: U2
Sunday Pre-Headliner: Allman Brothers Band Sunday Headliner: Clapton (& Friends)
Post by The Wookie Monster on Jun 22, 2009 15:22:28 GMT -5
Jay-Z Friday headliner (main headliner of Glastonbury last year, and that's bigger than B'roo) Paul McCartney/Bob Dylan/Ringo Starr Saturday (only if the rumors come to fruition) Phish or The Dead as closer add in MMJ as preheadliner and Arcade Fire, and maybe White Stripes and you've got yourself a festival
if PBR boys fall through then I guess the Stones will be next up or someone else that's rather antique
Outkast "noise" comes from festivals notoriety with forging reunions, or landing reunion tour stops. Since Idlewild a lot of people have been waiting for an Outkast tour. The Bonnaroo location and atmosphere is very fitting with Outkast music and live performance, thats where the noise comes from.
I think there's also the feeling that Roo wants to be someone's comeback gig a la Coachella with Rage Against the Machine. With Outkast being Southern hip-hop, a festival in TN is a better fit than a festival in CA.
Right. I don't know deny where the demand is coming from. But the speculation is largely baseless. It's the same thing you run into when you bring up Gorillaz. They don't really play live, so what's the point of making up rumors that they will. Besides, the lack of a real Outkast tour goes back further than Idlewild. They haven't really toured since the Stankonia tour.
At least the Zeppelin rumors had actual basis from industry sources.
But beyond all that, I'm not so sure people would be thrilled with the result of a reunion. [glow=red,2,300] Andre 3000's MC skills have fallen waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off since Stankonia.[/glow] He hasn't been performing live the way Big Boi has. I'd personally prefer to see Big Boi on his own than see or at least see some sort of movement from Andre 3000 to get back into performing shape before I'd want them to play Bonnaroo.
Wait a second. Since when have his skills "fallen wayyyyy off since Stankonia." I hope this isn't based on the fact that the Love Below had barely any actual "rapping," on it. That was a conscious choice he made so that he could open up his mind and flex some of his vast creativity. The album works both as a rap album and a pop album and is almost unpeggable in any genre really) Furthermore, the "rapping," that does appear on the album is some of the best of his career. Please note:"A day in the life of Benjamin Andre?"(this is a lyrical explosion that basically maps his whole professional life...or at least begins to...), "Spread,"(sample lyric: I gotta eye out/for shit that cries out/ passionately....F*ck the rhythm(this happens while...for the first time in the song...he's off rhythm)/Tuck the rhythm under your bosom/your the prisim/ Shirley Chislom/ was the first/ let's rehearse making a baby/put in your order/ I want a baby daughter/dance on the tip of my tongue....
It wasn't as if he fell off. I think he just saw the inherent boundries that exisit in such a lyric heavy genre. Even though he was considered quite possibly the best to ever do it, he wanted to prove that he was so much more that just the best emcee and I think he did that ten fold with this record having takien the whole genre in a new direction, bits and pieces of which we have been seeing for the last few years all through out popular radio rap. (see:vocoder-autotune-futuristic themes-robotic love-rap/house hybrid)
Now if your not talking about that record, then you'd have to be talking about some of the guest apperances he sporadically made over the last few years in between acting in major motion pictures. Spots like the one on the Rich Boy Throw Some D's remix(all over a ton of mixtapes obtained mostly from Shell parking lots) or possibly on Devin the Dude's cut "What a Job," where he speaks eloquently(as usual) about the record company and the artist relationship with the consumer in this digital age. Sample lyrics: We work nights/we some vampires/****** huddle round the beat like a camfire/singin folk songs/but not no Kumbaya/My lord/ you download it for free/we get charged back for it/ Now I know that your saying/they won't know/they won't miss it/ Besides/ I ain't a thief/ they won't pay me a visit/ So?/ if I come to your job/take your corn on the cob/ and take a couple kernels off/ that'd be alright with you?/ hell nah/ EXACTAMUNDO(by the way, has anyone ever used this in verse while rapping?...methinks not)/ but we just keep recording and it ain't to get no condo/...it get's way better from there too...
I'll give you that he hasn't toured in awhile. But with a person so uniquely talented this stuff is like riding a bike. And I've seen Big Boi solo(well...with the dubious Purple Ribbon All-Stars) and it left much to be desired. Even on Stankonia you get the feeling that ole' Possum Alouisious Jenkins III wants to do more than rap. He even goes so far as to not appear on a few tracks on that album giving other artist the chance to shine(because anyone on a track with him usually gets lyrically overshadowed) and making more of his impressions felt through production and orchestration. They're the most well liked, most prolific rap duo EVER. I think a headlining spot at Bonnaroo 2010 makes perfect since but I understand that their are some major obstacles in the way. That said...let's not make one of those obstacles:Andre isn't the lyricist he was cause this just isn't the case.
I mean, for starters, you could try forming an argument around songs that feature strong post-Stankonia lyrical performances from Andre 3000 instead of choosing some really lame examples (hint: try the Dungeon Family album or his guest spot on UGK's "International Player's Anthem"). But overall, I just don't really get the "importance" of the Love Below. I mean, I was generally like any Outkast fan when The Love Below/Speakerboxxx came out, bowing down at the alter of Andre 3000 as a latter day genius. But the thing is two things happened:
1) Speakerboxxx aged better. Sure Big Boi missed the off the wall wild card nature of Andre 3000, but he's still on top of his game lyrically.
2) I became better acquainted with the discographies of Prince, Isaac Hayes, Curtis Mayfield and Funkadelic and realized just how weak The Love Below is musically by comparison.
I think this is why Andre 3000 quit. He said so himself. He felt like his musical abilities didn't match his ambition. He talked a lot about going back to music school. I think it was frustrating for him to get a heap of praise where he saw a heap of failure. And frankly from a musical standpoint, The Love Below is filled with half baked ideas mixed in with three or four really strong completed songs (a couple of which sound like obvious Prince rip offs).
I don't want this to sound too harsh because there are far worse albums out there than The Love Below/Speakerboxxx and Idlewild, but there is ZERO comparison to the genius that was ATLiens, Aquemini and Stankonia. And it's hard for me to blame Big Boi for the drop in quality because he's stayed lyrically sharp and has always seemed way more invested in Outkast than Andre 3000 has been. I seriously doubt it was his choice to split the group into two solo projects, and I'm pretty certain if he had his way, they'd still be out touring in support of whatever new album they'd released. But Andre was more interested in trying his hand at becoming a better musician and starring in extremely shitty movies to be bothered.
But all this is pointless because as I've argued before: Outkast isn't touring. They are slightly more together than the Fugees because they are at least contractually obligated to poop out one more album. Hopefully it won't continue the decline we saw with Idlewild, but honestly, at this point, I'm not entirely optimistic.
Post by sketchball on Jun 22, 2009 19:02:56 GMT -5
I know where you can start....
Go back and listen to Speakerboxx again and tell me where on that record at any point does Big Boi stretch the genre like Andre does. It just sounds like a second rate Outkast album that's missing something....hmmmm. And it's not like I don't like Big Boi but if you can't admit that the thing that always made them the realest, freshest, and most creative force in hip hop was mostly attributed to Andre'3000 then I don't know what else there is to say. Maybe the ghetto toughness of Big Boi coupled with the otherworldly nature of Andre' 3000 is what makes them so special but Big Boi minus Dre is just aight but Dre minus Big Boi is still dope x 2.
Second, I never attempted to compare The Love Below to any of the classic Outkast records. Mainly because that wasn't the point of this whole conversation but secondly because it's apples and oranges. I consider The Love Below Andre' 3000's first solo record. Note, I didn't say rap record. Just record. He may rap on it(and rap extremely well) but it's not a "rap" record so to compare those to other records that prominently feature him rapping on damn near every song with traditional(as compared to the stangeness of the Love Belows production) rap beats is kind of silly IMO.
Third, you imply that I don't know about the other things that Andre has done since Stankonia just because I used what YOU(you of the school that said he had fallen off lyrically since Stankonia) deemed to be sub par lyrical examples. I disagree wholeheartedly and that's why I posted the lyrics.....and anyway, the song he did with UGK was dope but I didn't want to pick such an obvious choice. I figured in all of your vast Outkast knowledge that would be far to easy for one of your stature.
And no, Outkast isn't touring....this year. But that's why we're having a discussion in a 2010 Headliner SPECULATION thread. Is the potential there? Sure. Is fan interest always a good gauge of who a major concert promoter would go after(touring or not) for there upcoming GIANT MUSIC FESTIVAL? Yes.
And on top of all this...I was simply responding to your quote about how he fell off lyrically since stankonia. I just decided to speak on the other things since you brought em up.
You still didn't say when his Mc skills fell off. I personally think a parliament funkadelic into outkast into daft punk would be amazing. There is no point doubting anything til at least winter, as many bruce and phish doubters can attest.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
6/18: Phish in Hartford 6/25: Phish in Camden 7/2-7/4: Nateva 7/17: God Street Wine at Irving Plaza 7/23-7/25: String Cheese at Red Rocks!! 8/17-8/18: Phish at Jones Beach 9/3: Rush at PNC
This Bonnaroo lineup is in dire need of some Rush.
Monsters of Folk!! Doubtful they would headline but a girl can dream can't she? Eagerly awaiting September for this album.
one of the best concert experiences I've ever had was seeing Jim James/M Ward/Conor Oberst together and I'll be getting this as soon as it comes out. Bring them to the farm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...and I don't care if they're not headliners, neither are Outkast...
Post by famousblueraincoat on Jun 23, 2009 15:17:12 GMT -5
Friday Night What Stage: Outkast Friday Night Which Stage (Curator): Paul Simon Friday Night What Stage Latenight: The Flaming Lips Saturday Night What Stage: Eric Clapton Saturday Night Which Stage (Late Night): The Arcade Fire Sunday Night: My Morning Jacket or Dave Matthews Band
I'll try to keep you guys posted on Neil Young. A very good friend of mine's dad plays in his backing band, so I should be able to know for sure sometime this fall.
This is my first post on this site but I have been to bonnaroo 4 times and I have to say anyone who doesnt want to see Dave Matthews at Bonnaroo is crazy it was the best set I've seen there. Friday: White Stripes, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Saturday:Kings of Leon, Dave Matthews, Daft Punk (Late Night) Sunday: Jay-Z, Allman Brothers
Friday What headliner: Radiohead Friday What latenight: Daft Punk Saturday What headliner: David Bowie Saturday 2 hour preheadliner on What: White Stripes Sunday What headliner: The Dead Sunday Which closer: Arcade Fire
Friday What : Rage Against the Machine Friday What late night: Daft Punk Saturday What: Radiohead Sat Which late night: Muse Sunday Which: The Arcade Fire Sunday What: Roger Waters
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