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I'm going to say something very insensitive, but it's a legitimate question. Do you think that my never played vinyl picture disc of Thriller just jumped in value?
^Possibly.
Not necessarily insensitive, people think randomly weird things when someone dies. At least I do.
It's sad. I'm more saddened by Farrah's death myself. Cancer sucks big time. To me, there's nothing sadder than the slow degenerative death from cancer. I feel bad for her and her family cause her death will be overshadowed by MJ's death. He's a legend, no question. It's just a really f*cking sad day all around.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jun 25, 2009 22:56:57 GMT -5
It's tragic. He wasn't the perfect character by any means but his loss is still a sad event for the music industry. I was actually interested to see what this huge tour he was putting together would amount to. He was a freak, but who are we kidding... we're all freaks in our own right in this world.
For now, I've chosen to appreciate what he did 25 years ago rather than focus on his unfortunate actions of the past 5 or 10 years.
Death is the time to celebrate the good in life, not an opportunity to scorn one's actions in my opinion
It's sad. I'm more saddened by Farrah's death myself. Cancer sucks big time. To me, there's nothing sadder than the slow degenerative death from cancer. I feel bad for her and her family cause her death will be overshadowed by MJ's death. He's a legend, no question. It's just a really f*cking sad day all around.
Having lost many a loved one to cancer, myself, I agree, fully...
However... Farrah was a bigger version of Bo Dereck; sex symbol with limited long term appeal. Not to argue the importance of one living being's death over another, but if her death was overshadowed by MJ for anything, it's only because MJ had a much more important career and lasting impression on performance art and society, in general, than she.
Here is one of my very favorite songs of all time:
It's sad. I'm more saddened by Farrah's death myself. Cancer sucks big time. To me, there's nothing sadder than the slow degenerative death from cancer. I feel bad for her and her family cause her death will be overshadowed by MJ's death. He's a legend, no question. It's just a really f*cking sad day all around.
And this.
I had Farah Fawcett wings. All the cool kids had them.
Post by luciddream5 on Jun 25, 2009 23:57:05 GMT -5
I'm with some of you when I say that I didn't think his death would affect me this much. But when I heard the news, I was shocked. My first thoughts were,"It seems like he died earlier than he should have.". Then I went on youtube and watched a few videos of him. The first video I watched made me cry. Say what you will about his character, but he was such an interesting and great character...I'm glad to have seen him come about in my lifetime.
Post by gijoekungfugrip on Jun 26, 2009 0:24:57 GMT -5
^^ me too Lucid... went and had a few drinks with friend tonight and they thought l was insensitive for not being torn apart by it....
Then l got home... and can't stop watching Ben, Who's Lovin You, Got to Be There, and You are not alone... Now l am crying like a little sissy girl and can't seem to stop the slow stead flow of tears
RIP MJ you are loved and missed. You will be a tortured soul no longer xoxo
We had karaoke night at my work tonight and it was a giant celebration of MJ. I've always been a casual MJ fan. Ive respected his work and thought he was an amazing performer. But today it kind of hit me that this guy was the base of some of my earliest musical moments. I watched a bit of the news coverage and I couldn't help but feel sympathetic for him over the stuff that went down the bast 10 or so years. All the accusations and slander on him over something that was never proved to be true. Yeah, he was a weird person but I think alot of it has to do with the fact that he never really had a childhood. I definitely think we will never see someone like this in our lifetime. Someone with the charisma and genius that it takes to transcend a genre like pop music and become a global icon. A great humanitarian who started over 20 different charities. A person who embraced a new median, like music video, and laid the groundwork for every future artist in that field to realize that it can be the greatest promotional tool. I think alot of people took for granted this guys genuis. I myself didnt even fully realize it until his death.
Garth Algar: Do you ever get the feeling Benjamin's just using us?
Wayne Campbell: Good call. It's like he wants us to be liked by everyone. I mean Led Zeppelin didn't write tunes everybody liked. They left that to the Bee Gees.
Post by ronburgandy? on Jun 26, 2009 7:33:21 GMT -5
MJ hasnt been musically relevant for a while. but "off the wall", "thriller", and "bad" are smurfing classics and im kinda happy i can go back to thinking of MJ the musician and not MJ the creepy guy.
he is arguably the most important single person in the history of modern music. that has to count for something. (esp on this board)
also have to recognize the jackson 5 stuff...
"i want you back" = never fails to get the party goin.
Post by pimpmcgeorge on Jun 26, 2009 7:48:52 GMT -5
I'm going to be listening to Thriller and Bad all weekend. I hope a lot of people that dismissed him as some kind of a villain, without listening to his awesome, AWESOME f*cking music, will finally check out his albums and be blown away.
6/18: Phish in Hartford 6/25: Phish in Camden 7/2-7/4: Nateva 7/17: God Street Wine at Irving Plaza 7/23-7/25: String Cheese at Red Rocks!! 8/17-8/18: Phish at Jones Beach 9/3: Rush at PNC
This Bonnaroo lineup is in dire need of some Rush.
Musically, he's been dead for 15 years. But yesterday, the entire music industry lost an icon. It will be for all the hits he created that he will be remembered. It's a sad thing anytime someone dies relatively young/unexpectedly. Musically, he will be missed.
Not to shit on the parade here, but the argument that his rough childhood made him kooky and that he didn't molest little boys is BS. There are plenty of former child stars who aren't nearly as screwed up mentally as him. I'm not saying that working in showbusiness as a child doesn't have its effects. But clearly the guy had some sense left to snatch up the Beatles' catalog and write numerous hits. So its not like he had the mentality of a 5 year old. Even if he did, when I was 5, I wasn't giving other boys alcohol so that they would sleep in my bed, nor showing them my penis. Lets call a spade a spade here.
We can choose to remember him as the fresh-faced musical genius that gave the world Thriller among countless other mega-hits. But that doesn't mean he wasn't also a body-dismorphic child molester. How you choose to remember him is up to you.
Post by steveternal on Jun 26, 2009 8:13:11 GMT -5
^^^Losing touch with reality can take many, many different forms and to say that he was competent in one way (lucrative career decisions) doesn't mean he must have been in every other way (thinking it was ok to have sleep-overs with young boys). The psychology of an individual is way too complex to generalize in such a way; the truth is we will likely never really know how or what he was thinking. And with that in mind, why doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt? And it's not BS to say he didn't molest those boys, because there was never actual evidence let alone a judicial ruling. It was simply a matter of one word against another.
EDIT: Let me clarify that while I do give Michael the benefit of the doubt, I fully acknowledge that something inappropriate could have happened. Yet I still maintain that if it did occur, it was out of a genuine lack of understanding of the inappropriateness, and not done in full knowledge.
Here's a great place to start if you really want to know the details of the whole scandal and not just 15-year-old memories of what the tabloids were claiming.
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt if it only happened once. When you have multiple accusations, there has to be something going on. Lack of a judicial ruling doesn't really mean crap to me, look at OJ.
I'm not here to shit on the guy's grave. I respect him musically. There was a reason he was the King of Pop. But this notion that when people die they were wonderful and great and never did anything wrong is ridiculous. 1/2 of his life was spent making great music while the other 1/2 of his life was spent getting plastic surgery and molesting children.
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt if it only happened once. When you have multiple accusations, there has to be something going on.
Yeah there was....something like people seeing that he settled for a large sum of money with the first scumbags to accuse him and seeing dollar signs for themselves.
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But this notion that when people die they were wonderful and great and never did anything wrong is ridiculous.
I haven't seen anyone purporting that he was a flawless individual.
The fact that some people remain silent on the more questionable aspects of his life in the hours following his death does not mean they don't acknowledge his shortcomings as a human being.
I said I'm not trying to shit on the guy's grave here. I just noticed a few egregious comments regarding his past with young boys that I felt needed to be addressed. It's one thing to remain silent, its another to say that "Yeah, he probably did it but he didn't know any better."
The fact that some people remain silent on the more questionable aspects of his life in the hours following his death does not mean they don't acknowledge his shortcomings as a human being.
Nor does it mean that those who ignore or disbelieve his alleged misconduct only do so now in light of his death. Personally, I've had the same opinion on him for years.
And if you want to continue specifically arguing the point, "multiple" = two accusers. Likewise let's not ignore the dozens of other children who were friends with Jackson that strongly denied any sexual abuse or misconduct, or that the two accusers themselves respectively denied the claims at various points.
I don't want to get into all the stupid little details of these incidents, but I will try to lay out the facts when someone makes the brazen and unfounded claim that Jackson "molested children".
Post by newhampshirechadd on Jun 26, 2009 10:14:45 GMT -5
I was looking foreward to seeing him in Vegas in the next few years.. I could never afford a trip out to London to see him but LV is a place I end up every other year. The possibilities are endless....
Likewise let's not ignore the dozens of other children who were friends with Jackson that strongly denied any sexual abuse or misconduct, or that the two accusers themselves respectively denied the claims at various points.
Not to mention the incredible, incredible amount of time and personal resources he put in to children's charities. Again, I'm not dismissing the facts surrounding the allegations; since I wasn't personally party to any of them, I'm not going to speculate publicly about them.
Again, I believe that the period immediately following someone's death is not the time for character assassination. The fact that he may have made grievous mistakes in his life does not negate all of the positive and good things his existence represented to many.
I can't help but think that his death has saved some chidren from being exposed to this predator. All of this talk about his children's charities really irks me. He used these charities to mask his sickness and to find more victims. He was a classic child predator that had done enormous harm in his life and likely would have continued.
The majority of his charitable work didn't include direct contact with children. But even if it did, saying he used those charities to find more victims is conjecture. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but it shouldn't be presented as fact.