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After HGH died, that made me think that she definitely was inspector for obvious reasons. Also, Hippie's death in the first round also made me think that HGH really was inspector because Hippie voted for Bacon, and, if Bacon was mafia, then the mafia might have thought that Hippie was the inspector and had Bacon's name. So, I went back and read the whole thread again, and this is bugging me:
After re-reading the board Roo's random vote change because of Jen and Bek voting each other seems kinda suspicious. That's how the first round works there were three pairs of people that voted each other in the first round this game and that seems low compared to some other games.
HGH said that she had Bacon's name from the beginning. So, when Bacon voted for Roo, shouldn't HGH have known then that Roo was innocent? At the time that Bacon voted for Roo, there were three votes for Jen and three votes for Roo. If Bacon and Roo were mafia together, no way Bacon would have cast a fourth vote for Roo right then. But, he did, which means that if Bacon was guilty, Roo was innocent. And, if she was inspector, HGH would have known that.
EAP cast a fifth vote for Roo, and Bek cast a fourth vote for Jen. So, when HGH voted, it was 5 Roo, 4 Jen. She should have known for sure that Roo was innocent, but wouldn't have known either way about Jen. So, it was either 2 innocents or 1 innocent, 1 guilty. If she was inspector, wouldn't she have voted to save the person she knew was innocent? Even if Jen was innocent, an innocent was going to die either way, so why not vote to kill the one she wasn't sure about and save the one who she knew was innocent?
Thank makes a lot of sense. I have to leave right now but would like to elaborate on this when I get back.
Ok NBF- So do you think HGH was a fake inspector? And if so, do you think Bacon was the real inspector? Your argument about the strangeness of HGH voting for Roo when she knew Bacon was Mafia makes a lot of sense....but Bacon's claim to be inspector didn't seem very believeable. Maybe I should go back and read what Bacon said earlier.
If HGH was lying then that would make EAP mafia for sure since she stressed EAP's innocence. She also said Roo was innocent which might mean he was actually guilty. That would mean EAP, Roo, and HGH were mafia. If she knew it was between herself and Roo then a run-off would mean that at least one mafia would die.....then we would be only one vote away from killing the mafia.
Either way one of them died since mafia killed off HGH. It is a ballsy move to kill off their own but killling her off would be a sure-fire way to make us think she was really the inspector. If that is the case then EAP would be left as being Mafia...we kill her and we win. IF, of course NBF's argument is true. She didn't say she thinks this is true. From what I read she was just stating a possible scenario.
This is a tough call because either:
A- NBF is working with Bacon to make us think HGH was not truly mafia....that would mean that all mafia are potentially still alive. It couldn't be Hippie or Roo or the game would be over. Hippie wasn't under any scrutinization at that point but they must have thought she was inspector...or as she stated they killed her off b/c she is too damn good at this game.
or
B- EAP and HGH are mafia and there is only one more Mafia member to kill....unless Roo was mafia then we need to kill EAP.
Scenario B is a hell of a lot better for the townspeople but we would have to figure out who else .
Scenario A just means we are totally screwed!
I just don't know which one of these scenarios I agree with so I'm not sure who to vote off. NBF's post made logical sense but it seems like a big risk to vote for EAP after we almost all changed our votes to Bacon after HGH claimed to be inspector.
The problem with scenario B is that these votes don't indicate anyone who would have been aligned with EAP or HGH:
Post by NothingButFlowers on Jul 31, 2009 17:09:42 GMT -5
^I'm leaning towards thinking that HGH was a fake inspector/mafia. Whether Bacon or HGH was inspector, I think Roo was innocent because they both voted for him in the runoff. Another thing is that, in the last round, only Trill voted for someone other than Bacon, which means that, if Bacon was mafia, and Roo was innocent, at least one of his fellow mafia voted to kill him. I'm not saying they wouldn't do that, but it's another thing to think about.
^I'm leaning towards thinking that HGH was a fake inspector/mafia. Whether Bacon or HGH was inspector, I think Roo was innocent because they both voted for him in the runoff. Another thing is that, in the last round, only Trill voted for someone other than Bacon, which means that, if Bacon was mafia, and Roo was innocent, at least one of his fellow mafia voted to kill him. I'm not saying they wouldn't do that, but it's another thing to think about.
This post has just made me think you are mafia.. Because I am pretty sure that HGH was our inspector..
As I pointed out earlier, I think that HGH's lack of information when she outed herself as the inspector was key to uncovering the truth.. If she was making things up she would have made up a much better story... Or at least I'd hope so!! ;D
Now that you're sticking up for Bacon, makes me believe ya'll are on the same side..
maybe voting for roo was an oversight on hgh's part. or maybe she simply doesn't like playing with roo. who knows? all i can say is that it would pretty stupid of her to out herself just to save me. plus how slim is the margin that she would pick an "innocent" (ie bacon) to put on the chopping block who just happened to be inspector??? i mean that is a realllllllllllly small chance.
jen, what you say is not really making sense to me, b/c if hgh and i are mafia with roo, why would we both vote for him? and then the next night we kill hgh??? that is taking a really big chance that i would make it to the end.
maybe kel is innocent and jen and nbf are bacon's mafia lovers.
i kind of feel like some wild and crazy ideas are being thrown out to cover people's trails.
for now:
EAP>>>>NBF
Last Edit: Jul 31, 2009 18:13:33 GMT -5 by EAP - Back to Top
it's not uncommon, she knew he was mafia and didn't want to risk the chance of being killed, so naturally voted someone else... but, by all means, she could be a huge fuckin' liar and have been Mafia also... in which case would make EAP mafia as well..
^I'm leaning towards thinking that HGH was a fake inspector/mafia. Whether Bacon or HGH was inspector, I think Roo was innocent because they both voted for him in the runoff. Another thing is that, in the last round, only Trill voted for someone other than Bacon, which means that, if Bacon was mafia, and Roo was innocent, at least one of his fellow mafia voted to kill him. I'm not saying they wouldn't do that, but it's another thing to think about.
This post has just made me think you are mafia.. Because I am pretty sure that HGH was our inspector..
As I pointed out earlier, I think that HGH's lack of information when she outed herself as the inspector was key to uncovering the truth.. If she was making things up she would have made up a much better story... Or at least I'd hope so!! ;D
Now that you're sticking up for Bacon, makes me believe ya'll are on the same side..
soooooo, Higgi >>> NBF
I wasn't really sticking up for Bacon, I'm just trying to think about this from all angles, and when I look back, I think it could really be either way (Bacon mafia or Bacon inspector).
If HGH was inspector, would she have made up a better story? It was looking like it was going to be a runoff between her and EAP. If they were both guilty, she would have wanted to make sure that she saved at least one of them, so she would have had to have said that EAP was innocent. All the inspector would have had at that point would have been a guilty name (given at the beginning) plus one other name (given on Night One), so she only could have said she knew EAP was innocent if she said she asked about her on Night One. Bacon was the obvious choice to say she knew was guilty because he was the one talking about how he thought that either HGH or EAP was mafia. If HGH and EAP were mafia, that would have been a huge tipoff to them that Bacon was the inspector.
Again, I'm not saying that this is necessarily the way it was, but I am saying that I think it's possible. I could go through the Bacon as mafia scenario, but that has pretty well been covered.
plus how slim is the margin that she would pick an "innocent" (ie bacon) to put on the chopping block who just happened to be inspector??? i mean that is a realllllllllllly small chance.
This is what initially got me thinking that HGH was telling the truth and Bacon was not, but as I said above, if you and HGH were mafia, it would make sense that she would accuse Bacon because he was accusing you and her. Y'all would have had a pretty good idea that he was the inspector.
it's not uncommon, she knew he was mafia and didn't want to risk the chance of being killed, so naturally voted someone else... but, by all means, she could be a huge quackin' liar and have been Mafia also... in which case would make EAP mafia as well..
hmmm.
Higgi, I agree that it's not at all suspicious that she didn't vote for Bacon. I said it was suspicious that she didn't vote to save Roo because, if she was inspector, Bacon was mafia, and Roo was definitely innocent, and she would have known that he was innocent. The whole reason she said she was outing herself was to save an innocent, but, she voted to kill Roo, who I'm pretty sure was innocent whether Bacon was mafia or HGH was mafia.
maybe voting for roo was an oversight on hgh's part. or maybe she simply doesn't like playing with roo.
I think the first suggestion is a possibility. The second part just seems silly to even suggest. I don't think HGH would let her personal feelings about someone influence how she voted.
i kind of feel like some wild and crazy ideas are being thrown out to cover people's trails.
First, it's not really a wild idea. People have lied about being inspector before to rebut the real inspector calling them out. Why not try to claim inspector first before the real inspector came out and make the real inspector try to rebut the story? HGH kept talking about what a bad inspector she was, but she's a really good player, which makes me think it is definitely possible that she wasn't actually the inspector.
Second, since Day Three started, no one has suggested that I was working with Bacon. In fact, both you and Bek had suggested others were. If I was mafia, I wouldn't have said anything because the attention wasn't on me. I'm saying all of this because I'm trying to figure this out.
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Jul 31, 2009 21:38:36 GMT -5
I have played a lot of games with handgun and I do not think she is the type of person who would lie about being the inspector and turn up dead the next day.
I think NBF is innocent and I think roo was innocent.
Yes! We have this won if you are willing to trust me! I was hoping this might happen as a result of me trying to get both EAP and another in the run-off. I AM INSPECTOR, I was given EAP's name in the beginning and guessed Higgi Night 1 and received an innocent. The reason I was trying to get a run-off between EAP and HGH was to lessen suspicion of me as inspector (since I knew EAP was mafia) and to try to get voting patterns on who is on EAP's side. This works even better! I am keeping my vote with HGH since she seems to be the brains of the mafia. After that EAP must be killed. I am not sure who the third member is yet. The voting that is going to follow may give indicators.
bacon did not start accusing me until AFTER hgh accused him.
i agree with superbek that jen looks super shady, but NBF seems to be on her side.
I believe HGH was the inspector, not only bc of what Bek and Higgi said, also bc of Hippie getting killed night one after a vote for Bacon. I guess anything is possible, but I don't see the mafia killing one, when they only had 2 left. That would be a dumb move. IMO!
im not saying you are mafia. i just thought the quickness of her vote and then yours right after the other, what kdogg would call reciprocal voting, is a little suspicious. you're probably innocent. but my gut reaction is that you are the most likely mafia right now, so i changed my vote, regarless of whether it makes me look guilty in your eyes. im innocent,
If that is your reasoning then you and Kel should be just as suspicious for reciprocal voting. Just because I happened to log in around the same time as Bek means we are guilty? I can't help it if I happened to be online the same time as her and post near the same time.
I am seriously convinced that you are mafia. I know I am innocent and if I get voted off it will be a wasted vote and we will be off to a bad start. I hope everyone else believes me on this. If for some reason it is a run-off between me and Roo and I get voted off I would urge the townspeople to vote off Roo next because I really don't trust him this round. Of course, I'm just going with my gut....we could both be innocent since there is not really a way of knowing this early....in that case the mafia has us right in their hands already with two innocents already leading the votes. I'm still sticking to my vote for Roo.
She was trying to say Roo was mafia. When all Roo did was change his vote to her. I think she got way too defensive, and this was before the run off!! I can see getting annoyed and defensive in the run off. But, in the first day and it's only your second vote!
Left to vote: Bek Hippie Bacon Roocon Higgi EAP NBF HGH Jenkazoo
I keep my vote with Roo. Trill votes Jen to even things up. He has been under the radar, we need to not forget that he is playing. If Trill and Jen are working together it would make sense. It would throw people off. Bacon- Roo, Jen- Roo and Trill- Jen.. They all wouldn't vote the same. Again, this is just my theories right now.
I think it was an odd move for the mafia to kill off Hippie. She has been pretty quiet so far and hasn't really given any indication of being inspector or making accusations. Honestly I think they believe I am the inspector and knew that if they killed me off ya'll would then think the inspector was dead. FTR, I am NOT the inspector I just had a huge feeling Roo was guilty. I thought they ould have killed me off for being so verbal in the first round but I think they thoght it would have been too obvious to kill me....so I guess Hippie was just a random choice.
Who ever said they thought Jen was the inspector. She voted Bek then changed her vote to Roo, both which voted her before she voted them. This statement makes no sense to me, at all! They killed Hippie, I think bc they thought she was the inspector bc of her vote for Bacon.
HGH! If you are inspector please ask about me. I know I don't make any sense....but really have I ever made much sense in Mafia? Unless I am keeping little notecards next to my laptop it is hard to keep this game straight.
FTR, you're right, I can't blame it on corn since I am corn-free these days.....I am just scatterbrained and forgot Roo accused EAP.
Ya'll can kill me off if you want but if HGH is inspector and asks about me she will find out I am innocent.....maybe it will prove I suck at this game, but it certainly won't prove I am mafia.
20 minutes later HGH is killed and Jen would know that there is no way for HGH to ask about her.
Les Claypool pays a long-overdue visit to the farm for an epic late-night Superjam. The show is a big draw, bringing lots of chance run-ins with familiar faces for those in attendance. One such attendee is Handgunhips. A little after 4am, she decides to relax under the tree near the Other Tent... where she is quickly spotted by kdogg. He comes up to her and has a seat, lighting what seems to be a large cigar and hands it her way. They share it for a moment or two before kdogg excuses himself, telling Handgun he's spotted some of his campsite-mates and wants to invite them to join the fold. Seconds later, an explosion fills the night to the right of the stage, taking out both Handgun and toppling the tree, which takes out a few innocent bystanders in the process.
Night two is over. Day three begins. (What can I say, it was a very short night)
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So as of right now. I am thinking maybe a Trill and Jen team.
I think all my crazy posts have turned all the townspeople against me. I know what I have said doesn't make any sense....but when the game is over you will see that I wasn't really plotting or trying to pull one over on you. I just apparently suck at being a townsperson. I know that none of this matters at this point and I have pretty much screwed myself and the townspeople by talking crazy.....but, oh well. I just hope if ya'll vote me off this round that there are already some REAL dead mafia right now b/c voting me off will be voting off one of your own. I just start writing what I think when I think it and sometimes what I say tends to make absolutely no sense to anyone but myself....but that is how it is in real life too....so why would mafia be any different?
I guess I'll vote for NBF....I was kind of gunning for her since the beginning despite the fact that I thought she made a littler bit of sense earlier....and I love a good conspiracy theory.
If ya'll all believe HGH is the real inspector I will vote with majority for the rest of the game if that is what it takes to win this.
Sorry for double post but it looks like Trill is going to be the tie breaker on this one so here is what I have to say. If you really believe HGH is the inspector then vote for NBF, not me! NBF is the one that brought doubt up about HGH being inspector in the first place....all I did is try and work it out a little more. In that long post I offered TWO scenarios. Why would I do that if I was mafia? In that long post I was just trying to work things out and typing as I thought about it. My end conclusion was that it was very possible that HGH was lying. I KNOW I am innocent. Please don't vote me off yet!!! NBF is the one that brought up the doubt. I can't help it that I am easily swayed.
If I get voted off or the Mafia kills me tonight....PLEASE look at who voted for me and get them out of here....that is who you need to focus on as mafia. I swear on Jim James that I am innocent. I may not have made any sense throughout this entire game but you all can count on me in this instance.
Of course if NBF is innocent then there are two innocents on the way out and we are SCREWED either way.
If you really believe HGH is the inspector then vote for NBF, not me! NBF is the one that brought doubt up about HGH being inspector in the first place....all I did is try and work it out a little more. In that long post I offered TWO scenarios. Why would I do that if I was mafia? In that long post I was just trying to work things out and typing as I thought about it. My end conclusion was that it was very possible that HGH was lying. I KNOW I am innocent. Please don't vote me off yet!!! NBF is the one that brought up the doubt. I can't help it that I am easily swayed.
Jen, when I brought up the doubt, I was basically just doing the same thing as you - trying to work out what I saw. I saw the thing about HGH's vote in the first round, and it made me wonder what was going on with that. I brought it up to try to work it out and see what everybody else thought. Although I only really discussed the one scenario (HGH as mafia), that was because the other scenario (Bacon as mafia) had already been pretty well established.
I don't know what to think at this point. Bek says that she's played with HGH and doesn't think she would fake being inspector and then turn up dead. Bek has played this game a lot more than me, and played more games with HGH, so maybe she's right. But, if HGH was going to try to fake being inspector, her turning up dead the next day would give her story a lot more credence. She could have tried to fake being inspector and then have said that mafia was just trying to discredit her when she didn't die in the night, but that wouldn't have made her inspector story nearly as believable as if she got killed by the mafia.
If HGH was mafia, I think there are two mafia still alive. One of them would have to be EAP, and I'm not sure who the other one is. The way the vote stands now, I kind of feel like I have to vote Jen because that will tie things up and leave the final decision up to TrillBill.
Jen, if you'll change your vote to EAP, I would rather vote for her, which will make it 2 EAP and 2 me, and TrillBill would have to decide between me and EAP rather than me and you. I know that I'm innocent, and I'm not convinced that you are guilty. I'm not 100% that EAP is guilty either, but I think it's more likely that she's guilty than you.
So if I change my vote to EAP, you will do the same and risk letting your fate fall in to Trill's hands? I know I am innocent but if I were in your situation I'm not sure I would be willing to strike a deal that could potentially kill me unless I knew Trill was on my side.
Your offer is very tempting b/c it would save me without a doubt (unless you changed your vote at the last minute, which is unlikely b/c we don't know when voting will close).
The only thing holding me back is the fact that you are so willing to leave your fate in Trill's hands. Why would you save me to go against EAP?
This puts a lot of pressure on me b/c I have been going back and forth between you and EAP the entire game. I am pretty sure one of you is mafia but I am scared of making the wrong decison.
Right now Higgi and EAP have both voted for you so if you are innocent it is likely that one or both of them are mafia. I know Higgi "is always mafia"....but would he really be mafia 3 times in a row? I know it could happen but it seems unlikely. (of course, I DID trust Higgi last time and got burned by him).
I am very tempted right now to change to EAP....but it seems like the facts are against you. The fact that I don't believe Higgi is mafia and the fact that you are so willing to leave your fate in Trill's hands are making me thing that my vote for you should stand.
So if I change my vote to EAP, you will do the same and risk letting your fate fall in to Trill's hands? I know I am innocent but if I were in your situation I'm not sure I would be willing to strike a deal that could potentially kill me unless I knew Trill was on my side.
Your offer is very tempting b/c it would save me without a doubt (unless you changed your vote at the last minute, which is unlikely b/c we don't know when voting will close).
The only thing holding me back is the fact that you are so willing to leave your fate in Trill's hands. Why would you save me to go against EAP?
This puts a lot of pressure on me b/c I have been going back and forth between you and EAP the entire game. I am pretty sure one of you is mafia but I am scared of making the wrong decison.
Right now Higgi and EAP have both voted for you so if you are innocent it is likely that one or both of them are mafia. I know Higgi "is always mafia"....but would he really be mafia 3 times in a row? I know it could happen but it seems unlikely. (of course, I DID trust Higgi last time and got burned by him).
I am very tempted right now to change to EAP....but it seems like the facts are against you. The fact that I don't believe Higgi is mafia and the fact that you are so willing to leave your fate in Trill's hands are making me thing that my vote for you should stand.
My fate is in Trill's hands either way. I was thinking it would take you out of the running if we both switch, but it actually wouldn't. Right now, it is 3 Me, 3 You, with Trill left to vote. If we both switch to EAP, it will be 2 Me, 2 EAP, and 2 You, so, actually, you would still be at risk, too, but you and I would each have a 1/3 chance as opposed to a 1/2 chance, and Trill will have to decide between me, you, and EAP.
I'm going ahead and risking myself and coming out because I refuse to see EAP killed, when I know she's innocent.
I did earlier state that I thought of Bacon as innocent, but I only did so because I was trying to throw the mafia off my trail and let them think I'd vote WITH them, hopefully saving me for another night. No one was really even accusing HGH at that point, right?
these statements from HGH are making me want to take NBF up on her offer to vote for EAP.
I just don't believe she would say Bacon was innocent if she was really inspector. She only had ONE name (Bacon) so why would she throw his name out like that? The ONE mafia name she has and she is saying he is innocent??
Also, if they EAP and HGH were both innocent (one inspector & one townsperson) don't you think it would make more sense to let the townsperson take the fall in order to have a chance to do a little more investigating? That would have been better for the team (but then again, what do I know? I let a ton of innocents die when I was inspector b/c I had a hunch I would get more name)
Also, EAP is sticking VERY close to HGH's proclamation that Bacon was mafia. She seems to be the only one certain, while everyone else is still up in the air.
I'll take a big risk and change my vote to EAP. I apologize in advance if it screws us in the end.
I am changing my vote to Jenkazoo, because now i FOR SURE think that jen and NBF are mafia.
they are obviously stating that they think HGH was a liar and that bacon is the true inspector. if this is true, then who is the 3rd mafia?? they seem so obsessed with me. if bacon was the real inspector, why did he not vote for me in the first place? when i was inspector i voted for roo first round and that was the name i was given. so it can be done.
like i mentioned before the margin is EXTREMELY small that HGH would fake being inspector and just happen to throw the person under the bus that is the actual inspector. also, why would she give her self up to protect me, then for us to kill her???? i mean that is a really brave plot based solely on the idea that i alone would be able to talk and trick my way to the end. (i may be good, but not that good ).
EAP>>>>NBF>>>jenkazoo
so trillbill, you can vote me into the runoff, but i think that would be a mistake.
Last Edit: Aug 1, 2009 11:37:03 GMT -5 by EAP - Back to Top
You are right. Bacon never voted for you and if he was inspector he would have. I take back everything I said.
Jenkazoo>>>NBF>>>>EAP>>>>NBF
FINAL VOTE! I am leaving it at that.
Either way I will get voted off unless EAP changes back to NBF. I am tired of changing my mind every five minutes so dying really wouldn't be that bad for me at this point. Do what you will.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Aug 1, 2009 12:04:39 GMT -5
Jen, lots of times the inspector doesn't vote for the person they know is guilty in the first round. HGH voted for me in the first round. Then, she initially voted me in the second round and only changed her vote to Bacon after it looked like it was going to be a runoff between her and EAP.
EAP keeps saying that Bacon didn't vote for her, and he only accused HGH, but he did say this:
I am not sure who yet but I am pretty sure we have at least one mafia with votes so far. Personally, I think either HGH or EAP are mafia. I am going to vote HGH because I think a run-off between the two would be very useful. I highly recommend others change their votes so we can get a run-off.
Baconus66>>>>>HGH
I edited the above tally to include my vote
and he said it before HGH claimed to be inspector and accused him of being mafia.
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