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Post by viciouscircle on Jan 20, 2010 23:42:05 GMT -5
spmirish, I guess what I'm getting at is even though the hints may lead us to the right answer, and no right answer can contradict the hints, the final answer still has to be achievable and explainable through just the original clue, on it's own. How would you explain the answer in terms of just Buddy when jolly? Not trying to be difficult or put you on the spot, I'm just wondering how that would be done.
What if "Buddy" is like, well, buddy. Leafy, dense, buddy.
Any one only has to google Gary Busey "mary jane" (of course, not using mary jane, but the MARIJ...word) to see Gary has an extensive history with Buddy.....and I don't mean Holly.
Post by spmirish03 on Jan 20, 2010 23:46:16 GMT -5
ehh honestly id would have to go back and reread it all. i just was reading that both of those guesses were comming up from multiple people with their reasoning, but was being shot down because they were each already guessed and we were told we werent right.
took into consideration the tweet about being right there and walking away, so thought maybe the answer was adding the two together.
What had me thinking that we could be dealing with a headliner here were the "Rip It Up" references Saturday night and 10pm.
If we think we're lost, we really ought to backtrack and determine exactly which song it is we should be looking to.
I think it would have to be a song gotten to without much meandering from the original clue. To me that means either Buddy Holly (the song) or Holly Jolly Christmas.
ok i have looked high and low and buddy the elf is stuck in my head as well as jolly green giant, and santa clause. So here is my reach using those.....
buddy the elf is played by will farrell so maybe him for stand-up (anything is better than his last 10 movies) but i hope not. thats all i got from the elf.
the other thing is busey played a giant musician named buddy holly. Will farrell played a giant elf. so i put that together with the Jolly green giant and got =They Might be Giants
Just because, Well Giants are your buddies when jolly right?
random i know but all i could really get out of my slushed brain...
Buddy Holly sang a song "True Love Ways." Radiohead has a song "True Love Waits."
Whew. That was pretty easy!
Was just thinking this!! Wasn't their some connection between jolly and fat or something? If so, then true love WAITS could become TRUE LOVE WAYS (WEIGHS) if you were jolly or fat.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 20, 2010 23:55:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that's our main issue right now is that we don't know what "the song" is. All we really have to go on for that is that the song is "where it all matters most" and that we think Buddy refers to Buddy Holly. So I don't think that leaves us any openings besides Buddy Holly songs and the song "Buddy Holly".
I feel like we can't use "when jolly" to find the song because that won't leave us anything left for once we find it. Even so it's slim pickings, it seems like if we figure out what song he was referring to, "when jolly" is all we have to go on in order to pull something out of that song that refers to a 'Roo act.
And on an unrelated note, I don't think there's any implication of size implied with jolly. (I don't think there is in the push push tweet either, but that's a different story). I'm thinking he needed a word for happy and "jolly" allowed him to make the clue a play on words referencing Buddy Holly. I kinda doubt he was writing the clue thinking "okay, now I need a word that means happy, makes the clue a clever pun, AND implies a fat guy, all at the same time!"
I don't think there's any implication of size implied with jolly. (I don't think there is in the push push tweet either, but that's a different story). I'm thinking he needed a word for happy and "jolly" allowed him to make the clue a play on words referencing Buddy Holly. I kinda doubt he was writing the clue thinking "okay, now I need a word that means happy, makes the clue a clever pun, AND implies a fat guy, all at the same time!"
I think where this is coming from is that DJJD implied that this particular clue was heavy to push.
Post by viciouscircle on Jan 20, 2010 23:58:34 GMT -5
I don't think we need to keep jolly separate - I think it's part of getting us to Holly. It's how we can get Buddy Holly out of Buddy instead of all the other possible buddies - Buddy Holly/Holly Jolly. Once we get to Buddy Holly, the jolly has served its purpose, I think.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 20, 2010 23:59:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure, there's not a whole lot to work with in the song. And going back to what I was thinking about "when jolly" being our only clue as to where to go with the song, the only thing even REMOTELY close I can think of is the "whatsamatta babe are you feelin' blue?" part. Just because it's the only part that really deals with emotions. But I can't really get anywhere from that. If the person in question feels "blue" when they're, well, not jolly, what do they feel when they ARE jolly? Orange? idk...
I don't think we need to keep jolly separate - I think it's part of getting us to Holly. It's how we can get Buddy Holly out of Buddy instead of all the other possible buddies - Buddy Holly/Holly Jolly. Once we get to Buddy Holly, the jolly has served its purpose, I think.
So then what? I mean I agree that using the word jolly in the clue was his way of making it a pun on Buddy Holly, but I still think we need to sort of re-use jolly because otherwise what can you do? You get as far as Buddy Holly and you've got nowhere else to go because you've run out of clue!
All I can get out of "Buddy Holly" is Mary Tyler Moore and another poster's declaration of shoe-eating if it wasn't weezer.
Where else would that song lead?
Nowhere. Weezer was ruled out, as was any guess in the first 9 pages. And other than Mary Tyler Moore and violent guys, there isn't anything to that song.
I don't think we need to keep jolly separate - I think it's part of getting us to Holly. It's how we can get Buddy Holly out of Buddy instead of all the other possible buddies - Buddy Holly/Holly Jolly. Once we get to Buddy Holly, the jolly has served its purpose, I think.
So then what? I mean I agree that using the word jolly in the clue was his way of making it a pun on Buddy Holly, but I still think we need to sort of re-use jolly because otherwise what can you do? You get as far as Buddy Holly and you've got nowhere else to go because you've run out of clue!
It's a three word clue. It doesn't need "Jolly" to get to Holly. Really, if the clue was ONLY "Buddy", 99% of the people would answer "Holly". Jolly is integral in the clue.
ok i have looked high and low and buddy the elf is stuck in my head as well as jolly green giant, and santa clause. So here is my reach using those.....
buddy the elf is played by will farrell so maybe him for stand-up (anything is better than his last 10 movies) but i hope not. thats all i got from the elf.
the other thing is busey played a giant musician named buddy holly. Will farrell played a giant elf. so i put that together with the Jolly green giant and got =They Might be Giants
Just because, Well Giants are your buddies when jolly right?
random i know but all i could really get out of my slushed brain...
this could be possible. maybe not from this clue, perhaps, but tmbg just played some sort of 20th anniversary mini tour, according to mu husband. he says they played flood front to back. we were just saying two days ago how cool it would be if they played roo.
It's a three word clue. It doesn't need "Jolly" to get to Holly. Really, if the clue was "Buddy", 99% of the people would answer "Holly". Jolly is integral in the clue.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
As far as "I look just like Buddy Holly" leading to Elvis Costello...I suppose that could work, that's definitely a possibility. Is it a bit open-ended, though? Are there other people who could fit that description? (I honestly don't really know, so that's not a rhetorical question, haha)
Post by viciouscircle on Jan 21, 2010 0:10:20 GMT -5
I thought of Colin Meloy, but then Sass said Elvis, and he's the only one who REALLY look slike Buddy Holly. There's even an Elvis Costello bootleg called Buddy Holly on Acid.
It's a three word clue. It doesn't need "Jolly" to get to Holly. Really, if the clue was "Buddy", 99% of the people would answer "Holly". Jolly is integral in the clue.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
As far as "I look just like Buddy Holly" leading to Elvis Costello...I suppose that could work, that's definitely a possibility. Is it a bit open-ended, though? Are there other people who could fit that description? (I honestly don't really know, so that's not a rhetorical question, haha)
Elvis Costello is probably the most iconic guess I could think of.
I thought of Colin Meloy, but then Sass said Elvis, and he's the only one who REALLY look slike Buddy Holly. There's even an Elvis Costello bootleg called Buddy Holly on Acid.
I like that!! Is there any way you could connect "on acid" to "jolly"?? Because that would be a simpler route to solve it by. He's be "Buddy" when you were "jolly (on acid)". I have no idea how to get here, though.
Post by plasticpepper on Jan 21, 2010 0:16:51 GMT -5
The Decemberists are my favorite modern band, so I hate to say it, but I really can't see them being at Roo again already. 3 times in 4 years? I doubt it.
And besides, I don't really think Colin looks like Buddy Holly. He just happens to wear glasses, and they're not even very similar to Buddy's. Find me a song with a line "I look just like Guillermo del Toro" and I'll buy it! (seriously, I'm pretty sure he's some sort of alter ego of Colin's )
Anyway, I don't think Colin looks enough like Buddy to interfere with the Elvis Costello guess at all. The more I think about it the more I like the guess, so unless anyone comes up with someone else who looks enough like Buddy Holly to make the logic too vague, I'm thinking Elvis is very very plausible.
Post by viciouscircle on Jan 21, 2010 0:17:28 GMT -5
I disagree that you don't need Jolly to get to Buddy Holly. There are lots of Buddies, and though a first instinct might be Buddy Holly, without clarifying it with the Jolly part, the clue would be too wide open. The only way you can say for sure it refers to Buddy Holly is by having the jolly be part of it.