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From Alex over at CoS regarding the lineup release date article he posted:
Alex Young on Jan 29th, 2010 at 12:12 am Wasn’t my call… I was asked to take it down a few hours after I got clearance. Nothing is official, but a week delay is possible. I should know more soon.
This guy knows his stuff. I'm sure he'll let us know when he hears something.
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Alright, been told by two different people that an announcement will be made on the 9th. Haven't received official confirmation yet.
An announcement on what? The line-up? Why be vague?
See, I agree with Nate. This whole situation with the line-up and artist rumors is just real lousy journalism in relation to Consequence of Sound.
Its understandable that the management from the festival gave you permission to say the line-up will come out on the second. But you gave it out in a manner that it was common knowledge within a lot of news sites. Where in fact you were the only place announcing such a claim. Jambase, Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, Paste, etc. had not released such information. It would have been a lot easier and PROFESSIONAL if you had said something along the lines, "our sources within management of the festival tell us that tentatively the line-up will be announced on February 2nd."
Then if your source had to recant what they told you, you could easily put in a retraction saying that, "our sources have told us that these TENATIVE plans have been pushed back to February 9th", instead of just pulling the story completely without any explanation.
If you guys want to be a legitimate news source, then you got to go about with your sources and news like one, instead of getting all your information from wild speculation from a message board. Even if this is the "unofficial" official Bonnaroo message board. Sorry to be harsh, but its fairly sad that one who doesn't even have their journalism degree has to tell a big-time blog how to properly handle news.
How was he being vague. Of course he was talking about a lineup announcement. Thats what this thread is about. CoS bashers are so annoying. If you don't like CoS, ignore it. You don't need to criticize everything they do.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Jan 30, 2010 16:36:38 GMT -5
Yeah guys we should trust what Pitchfork and Rolling Stone have said on the lineup. The thing is the lineup and dates are subject to change and CoS do the best that they can.
DJJD retweeted this: "Bonnaroo lineup pushed back to the 9th? Ugh... Rumors to continue". I think its safe to say that the lineup is definitely coming out on the 9th.
people need to stop being ignorant bungholes. CoS is doing the best they can with what they have. Besides, Bonnaroo isn't the ONLY festival they're following... Give em a break and quit complaining... or keep complaining, it's done well for you thus far, after all...
I won't get into in argument with you -- because that's not what Bonnaroo is about. But I will say that you are again misinformed and that is the one flaw of message boards. One person assumes something and suddenly it becomes the truth.
We were granted permission. We were then asked, after someone changed their mind, to retract the article -- not change the wording or the date. In fact, I haven't been given confirmation from the promoter that the 9th is indeed the date. So, it's not so easy, espeically when dealing with the difficult situation of maintaining an editorial and business relationship with the company in question. That is also the reason behind the vagueness.
In regards to your accusation that all our information comes solely from this message board, I simply ask that you back it up. As have I said countless times, I do not hide the fact Inforoo is an incredibly valuable resource and am truly grateful for its existence and the people who post on it. That said, it is not our only source, as evident by the names listed currently on our Outlook that were independently discovered by us and who will be appearing on the poster when it's all said and done. The Coachella kids made the same claim that we got all the info on the board -- yet when we confirmed Jay-Z five days before the announcement -- and were quickly mocked for it being "unrealistic possibility -- guess who proved to be right in the end?
That's all I'm saying... I do this 14-16 hours a day. I'm not going to F up something I put that much effort into.
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Post by nodepression on Jan 30, 2010 17:50:20 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think you need to defend everything you do constantly. More than enough people on this board have your back, why always pick fights with the inevitable people who will criticize you? It just ends up looking bad for the legitimacy of the website, which doesn't need to happen. You've done a good job of organizing rumors and expected acts, let the results speak for themselves.
Honestly I don't think you need to defend everything you do constantly. More than enough people on this board have your back, why always pick fights with the inevitable people who will criticize you? It just ends up looking bad for the legitimacy of the website, which doesn't need to happen. You've done a good job of organizing rumors and expected acts, let the results speak for themselves.
This is true and I usually do. But I appreciate the people on this board more than any others, and don't like false information to float around.
Post by pondo ROCKS on Jan 30, 2010 17:57:59 GMT -5
So the 9th it is. I have waited this long and I'm not gonna throw a fit because CoS was given the wrong info. At the end of the day, I still gotta wait for June anyways right?
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y'know Rogers Waters is sometimes "difficult" to work with so I can certainly see as how negotiations with him could cause the announcement to be moved back. Of course this is colored by the fact that I really want to see Roger this summer on the farm so I am purely speculating on a personal desire and while my opinion is based on some background knowledge of the the artist should in no way be interpreted as being any kind of actual, facutal knowledge. I think the correct term is "wishful thinking." But sometimes wishes come true!
Let's just remember that we don't have the 9th confirmed by Bonnaroo yet. So let's not get our hopes up like we did for the 2nd. Or more mud pies will be thrown.
I won't get into in argument with you -- because that's not what Bonnaroo is about. But I will say that you are again misinformed and that is the one flaw of message boards. One person assumes something and suddenly it becomes the truth.
We were granted permission. We were then asked, after someone changed their mind, to retract the article -- not change the wording or the date. In fact, I haven't been given confirmation from the promoter that the 9th is indeed the date. So, it's not so easy, espeically when dealing with the difficult situation of maintaining an editorial and business relationship with the company in question. That is also the reason behind the vagueness.
In regards to your accusation that all our information comes solely from this message board, I simply ask that you back it up. As have I said countless times, I do not hide the fact Inforoo is an incredibly valuable resource and am truly grateful for its existence and the people who post on it. That said, it is not our only source, as evident by the names listed currently on our Outlook that were independently discovered by us and who will be appearing on the poster when it's all said and done. The Coachella kids made the same claim that we got all the info on the board -- yet when we confirmed Jay-Z five days before the announcement -- and were quickly mocked for it being "unrealistic possibility -- guess who proved to be right in the end?
That's all I'm saying... I do this 14-16 hours a day. I'm not going to F up something I put that much effort into.
Please refrain from "that's not what Bonnaroo is all about" talk. I will have gone to Bonnaroo for four straight years and to call me out like that as if I have no connection with the festival is a uncalled low-blow. I love Bonnaroo as much as any person on this board.
I also have been reading CoS for a long time and have used it as a point of reference for festivals for the past three years and have appreciated it very much. However this year on Inforoo has been the absolute worst I have seen with all the wild rumors and speculations with no sources backing it up save the whole Led Zeppelin fiasco a few years ago. To say I am hating on CoS is unfounded. I am just merely disappointed with CoS right now.
All I asked from you as a legitimate news source to validate your own sources. Your site was the ONLY news site to claim that the line-up was coming out February 2nd, THE ONLY ONE. This situation could have been better handled if you prefaced your announcement with something along the lines of saying that this announcement is not completely set in stone and could change since it has been quite apparent that Bonnaroo has been very tight lipped about the festival this year and preventing leaks.
When you and your site take the risk of being the first to break a news story to one of the BIGGEST festivals in the world, you bestow the responsibility of having to be 150% sure that your sources are correct, if not you have to tell your audience that this story has not been fully validated yet. Because all of us have looked up to your site as a secondary source for information, we have a high level of expectation to have your facts straight. And when you do not follow through with that and have to tell us that your story was in fact not true via Inforoo, it makes you look foolish.
And I'm not some random person who doesn't know journalism. I'm about to graduate from a school with a degree in Mass Media/Broadcast Journalism that is highly respected in the south. And I hope to strive to have a job doing work like you are doing. I know what it is like to have extremely long days doing very strenuous fact and news collecting, but it is our responsibility as journalists/news gatherers to be absolutely correct in everything we put out to the mass audiences.
I'm not telling you to get bent or that you suck, I just want to have the assurance that what I read on your site is factual and if needed, to have disclaimers on news stories.
Please refrain from "that's not what Bonnaroo is all about" talk. I will have gone to Bonnaroo for four straight years and to call me out like that as if I have no connection with the festival is a uncalled low-blow. I love Bonnaroo as much as any person on this board.
I also have been reading CoS for a long time and have used it as a point of reference for festivals for the past three years and have appreciated it very much. However this year on Inforoo has been the absolute worst I have seen with all the wild rumors and speculations with no sources backing it up save the whole Led Zeppelin fiasco a few years ago. To say I am hating on CoS is unfounded. I am just merely disappointed with CoS right now.
All I asked from you as a legitimate news source to validate your own sources. Your site was the ONLY news site to claim that the line-up was coming out February 2nd, THE ONLY ONE. This situation could have been better handled if you prefaced your announcement with something along the lines of saying that this announcement is not completely set in stone and could change since it has been quite apparent that Bonnaroo has been very tight lipped about the festival this year and preventing leaks.
When you and your site take the risk of being the first to break a news story to one of the BIGGEST festivals in the world, you bestow the responsibility of having to be 150% sure that your sources are correct, if not you have to tell your audience that this story has not been fully validated yet. Because all of us have looked up to your site as a secondary source for information, we have a high level of expectation to have your facts straight. And when you do not follow through with that and have to tell us that your story was in fact not true via Inforoo, it makes you look foolish.
And I'm not some random person who doesn't know journalism. I'm about to graduate from a school with a degree in Mass Media/Broadcast Journalism that is highly respected in the south. And I hope to strive to have a job doing work like you are doing. I know what it is like to have extremely long days doing very strenuous fact and news collecting, but it is our responsibility as journalists/news gatherers to be absolutely correct in everything we put out to the mass audiences.
I'm not telling you to get bent or that you suck, I just want to have the assurance that what I read on your site is factual and if needed, to have disclaimers on news stories.
Get off your high horse and come back down to the ground for awhile. Realize the following:
1) This is not the first time the lineup release date has been pushed back. 2) This year's misinformation comes mostly from inforoo members intentionally trying to screw with new people. 3) This year is far from the worst year when it comes to stupid rumors. There have been much, much dumber years for inforoo speculation. 4) Given the fact that AC/Superfly has gone out of their way to visibly establish a relationship with CoS, I doubt Alex is pulling his information out of his ass. But I'm sure the heat he's gotten from putting AC/Superfly info out there, he'll probably have to adjust his relationship and trust with his sources. 5) Frigging Rolling Stone and NME once reported Led Zeppelin was the headliner because they misread the lineup. 6) Chill the f**k out Mr. Journalism. This is Bonnaroo that we're talking about, not election returns.
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I won't get into in argument with you -- because that's not what Bonnaroo is about. But I will say that you are again misinformed and that is the one flaw of message boards. One person assumes something and suddenly it becomes the truth.
We were granted permission. We were then asked, after someone changed their mind, to retract the article -- not change the wording or the date. In fact, I haven't been given confirmation from the promoter that the 9th is indeed the date. So, it's not so easy, espeically when dealing with the difficult situation of maintaining an editorial and business relationship with the company in question. That is also the reason behind the vagueness.
In regards to your accusation that all our information comes solely from this message board, I simply ask that you back it up. As have I said countless times, I do not hide the fact Inforoo is an incredibly valuable resource and am truly grateful for its existence and the people who post on it. That said, it is not our only source, as evident by the names listed currently on our Outlook that were independently discovered by us and who will be appearing on the poster when it's all said and done. The Coachella kids made the same claim that we got all the info on the board -- yet when we confirmed Jay-Z five days before the announcement -- and were quickly mocked for it being "unrealistic possibility -- guess who proved to be right in the end?
That's all I'm saying... I do this 14-16 hours a day. I'm not going to F up something I put that much effort into.
Well defended, Alex. Keep up the great work, and bring us good news on Waters/The Wall! :-[And The National.
Also, no real diss on Lerxst intended here; I just happen to be of opposite opinion. (He does come off a bit pompous, though, and this is not an asset for the budding journalist -- regardless of undergraduate "pedigree".)
You know, Lerxst. Work the whole "let's disagree agreeably" thing.
Post by pondo ROCKS on Jan 30, 2010 20:48:27 GMT -5
I guess the other idea to this as well is that perhaps, and I do say perhaps, some artists that were to play Roth or 10k may do Roo instead. This seems plausible enough to me.
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