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I am not saying my tastes are better blah blah blah. But Bonnaroo begin as a festival based on musicians that jam and the possibilities of jamming together and diversity in music and they have lost their way when it comes to the jam. Like I siad before I could go and have a blast just like all of you that are going but it doesnt change the fact they have completely departed from their origins of JAM. (not that none of these bands cant jam in their own way) Fuck it I'm done....going to wakarusa forums cuz inforoo jumped the shark too
I personally like the line-up. It's smaller feeling which is not a bad thing. People complain every year. First it was it was getting too mainstream, then losing the "jam", then too many Super names, now not enough Super names. I have never gone to Roo for the really Big names. I like the smaller shows. I would like more jam but so far every change has resulted in a good time so I'm still there, especially since I live right there.
On a side note, since when did "jumping the shark" get to mean just a downturn. It used to refer to having to pull a ridiculous stunt for attention since you really have nothing left to offer, which seems fitting to its origin. Just wondering.
On a side note, since when did "jumping the shark" get to mean just a downturn. It used to refer to having to pull a ridiculous stunt for attention since you really have nothing left to offer, which seems fitting to its origin. Just wondering.
I don't think Roo has "jumped the shark" and I hate that term anyway. Kinda old and boring now. But here's what Wiki says: "Jumping the shark is an idiom used to describe the moment of downturn for a previously successful enterprise. The phrase was originally used to denote the point in a television program's history where the plot spins off into absurd story lines or unlikely characterizations. These changes were often the result of efforts to revive interest in a show whose viewership has begun to decline, usually through the employment of different actors, writers or producers.
On a side note, since when did "jumping the shark" get to mean just a downturn. It used to refer to having to pull a ridiculous stunt for attention since you really have nothing left to offer, which seems fitting to its origin. Just wondering.
They actually did that, though. First they teased acts like Rolling Stones and Further (not inforoo-rumors, but their own twitter). Bonnaroo is privvy to their own lineup, knew who their headliners were, and chose to suggest bands like the Rolling Stones to their wide-reaching audience in advance. To exacerbate the problem, they drew their lineup out a couple Tuesdays ago with tickets going on sale the same day...in a transparent atempt to get early sales (based on the earlier rumors THEY STARTED and the lineup announcment method) because they knew their headliners were not going to be on near the leve of fame, catalogue, or rarity that THEY earlier suggested.
Did they jump the shark? Hell if I know. But it was really bad.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Feb 21, 2010 13:00:54 GMT -5
I don't think that makes it better though, itrain. Hinting at several big artists and then delivering only one of them isn't the level of quality most people have come to expect from Bonnaroo.
to be fair they also teased Jay-Z and delivered on that.
To be fair, the tweets were made before any official announcement and implied Jay-Z, the Rolling Stones and The Who. (Did I miss any?) Then, the official line-up announcement was delayed. If not jumping the shark, this feels like it skirts false advertising. And, these followed the poll provided (and withdrawn) by Bonnaroo to CoS where the names of bands implied by the tweets actually appeared.
A fair question is did the false suggestion that bands such as the Rolling Stones, The Who and others increase pre-sale ticket sales over what sales would've been if the true line-up (DMB, KOL, Jay-Z) had been hinted at?
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to be fair they also teased Jay-Z and delivered on that.
To be fair, the tweets were made before any official announcement and implied Jay-Z, the Rolling Stones and The Who. (Did I miss any?) Then, the official line-up announcement was delayed. If not jumping the shark, this feels like it skirts false advertising. And, these followed the poll provided (and withdrawn) by Bonnaroo to CoS where the names of bands implied by the tweets actually appeared.
A fair question is did the false suggestion that bands such as the Rolling Stones, The Who and others increase pre-sale ticket sales over what sales would've been if the true line-up (DMB, KOL, Jay-Z) had been hinted at?
The teased the Rolling Stones, Furthur, Jay-z, and Bob Dylan. If you're going to be upset about it then at least know what you're upset about . I think it's possible that they were having conversations with Furthur but if not.....oh well.
The fact is....they teased 4 big names and came through with one. And you guys are missing the point of it being a "tease". It's not like they came outright and said "these acts will play bonnaroo this year". all they did was add to the rumors. Last year in the Bonnaroo Beacon they hinted at the Rolling Stones being a headliner next year (meaning 2010)......should we be pissed that they did that?
The fact is....they teased 4 big names and came through with one. And you guys are missing the point of it being a "tease". It's not like they came outright and said "these acts will play bonnaroo this year". all they did was add to the rumors.
I think you're the one missing the point here. Bonnaroo doesn't "tease" or "add to the rumors." It delivers. Anything less is a decline in the quality of Bonnaroo.
The fact is....they teased 4 big names and came through with one. And you guys are missing the point of it being a "tease". It's not like they came outright and said "these acts will play bonnaroo this year". all they did was add to the rumors. Last year in the Bonnaroo Beacon they hinted at the Rolling Stones being a headliner next year (meaning 2010)......should we be pissed that they did that?
Some think I'm tweeting la-la-la-lies, some say this is monkey business. Who do you want to headline bonnaroo 2010? 6:36 PM Jan 18th from web
"La-la-la-lies." Direct quote of a Who song title, right?
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The fact is....they teased 4 big names and came through with one. And you guys are missing the point of it being a "tease". It's not like they came outright and said "these acts will play bonnaroo this year". all they did was add to the rumors. Last year in the Bonnaroo Beacon they hinted at the Rolling Stones being a headliner next year (meaning 2010)......should we be pissed that they did that?
Some think I'm tweeting la-la-la-lies, some say this is monkey business. Who do you want to headline bonnaroo 2010? 6:36 PM Jan 18th from web
"La-la-la-lies." Direct quote of a Who song title, right?
if you're right then my mistake. i don't know that song and i thought that was just speculation. i know they definitely teased the other 4 though
"La-la-la-lies." Direct quote of a Who song title, right?
if you're right then my mistake. i don't know that song and i thought that was just speculation. i know they definitely teased the other 4 though
I think they're skirting false advertising, teasing bands like Stones, Furthur, Who, Dylan and Jay-z, 3 weeks before the announcement when they sure as hell knew the actual headliners; DMB, KOL, Jay-z, Weezer and Ten-D. Ask yourself, why would a festival promoter do that? The tweets were from Bonnaroo, not hear-say. The poll in CoS was issued by Bonnaroo according the people there. The marketing for this year's headliners looks less than above board.
if you're right then my mistake. i don't know that song and i thought that was just speculation. i know they definitely teased the other 4 though
I think they're skirting false advertising, teasing bands like Stones, Furthur, Who, Dylan and Jay-z, 3 weeks before the announcement when they sure as hell knew the actual headliners; DMB, KOL, Jay-z, Weezer and Ten-D. Ask yourself, why would a festival promoter do that? The tweets were from Bonnaroo, not hear-say. The poll in CoS was issued by Bonnaroo according the people there. The marketing for this year's headliners looks less than above board.
I think you're taking it a little more seriously than you should be. False advertising? That would be if they had those bands on the lineup and then they never came out for the festival and were never scheduled. Take it down a notch. They were playing around on twitter.
Yea but why would a major festival waste their time "playing around on twitter." It's setting your fans up for disappointment.
I won't deny that it was a dumb move. I thought that was counterproductive and only heightened they hype around this year's lineup.
However.....calling it false advertisement as if we're going to bring Superfly to court and sue them is a bit of an overreaction IMO.
Which brings us to the question of why they did it? Did some Superfly executive say, "let's tease our customers with some false hints about the Stones, the Who and Dylan as this year's headliners," 2 weeks before the scheduled announcement, 3 weeks before the actual announcement, knowing full well that the customers knew *all* headliners had been signed as stated by Ashley Capps in his interview with CoS on 1/13/10, "We got all of our headliners booked, and it’s going to be an amazing festival again. I could not be happier with the lineup." Calling it a dumb move is an act of forgiveness.
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I grew up worshipping Rock and Roll like a religion. I know its shortcomings and strengths but have loved it unconditionally all the same since I was eight-years old. I ran away and joined the circus and honestly, I'm still as obsessed as I was as a boy. I'm not a kid anymore but I still remember how it felt and it doesn't really feel all that different to me now.
Post by pondo ROCKS on Feb 21, 2010 21:35:50 GMT -5
My theory is still the same...remember when they pushed the lineup announcement back a week? I still think someone or some group dropped out and things had to be shuffled. This makes sense and if they did drop out, rather than Bonnaroo blame some artist(s), they continued with the whole twitter process.
Bonnaroo has not jumped the shark mates. Not imo anyways. Still going strong and still have much love from me and many others.
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I am not saying my tastes are better blah blah blah. But Bonnaroo begin as a festival based on musicians that jam and the possibilities of jamming together and diversity in music and they have lost their way when it comes to the jam. Like I siad before I could go and have a blast just like all of you that are going but it doesnt change the fact they have completely departed from their origins of JAM. (not that none of these bands cant jam in their own way) quack it I'm done....going to wakarusa forums cuz inforoo jumped the shark too
a person with 18 posts all of a sudden claims this forum jumped the shark...
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wow how lame talkin about how many posts some has. Other than that some nice discussions on here. And for the record again I dont hate Bonnaroo and could make a weekend of the bands there this year....its just they have seemed to have turned even more on their roots. inforoo jumping the shark was tongue in cheek as was the start of this thread.
My theory is still the same...remember when they pushed the lineup announcement back a week? I still think someone or some group dropped out and things had to be shuffled. This makes sense and if they did drop out, rather than Bonnaroo blame some artist(s), they continued with the whole twitter process.
Bonnaroo has not jumped the shark mates. Not imo anyways. Still going strong and still have much love from me and many others.
alex from CoS has come on here and implied that when news of Rothbury being cancelled came out, Neil Young (who was rumored to play there) was on the market and so they pushed back the announcement to try and secure a deal. By the time Feb 9th came around they couldn't come to an agreement for whatever reason. I don't remember the exact post but look up his user name. It's 0lo or something like that.
My theory is still the same...remember when they pushed the lineup announcement back a week? I still think someone or some group dropped out and things had to be shuffled. This makes sense and if they did drop out, rather than Bonnaroo blame some artist(s), they continued with the whole twitter process.
Bonnaroo has not jumped the shark mates. Not imo anyways. Still going strong and still have much love from me and many others.
alex from CoS has come on here and implied that when news of Rothbury being cancelled came out, Neil Young (who was rumored to play there) was on the market and so they pushed back the announcement to try and secure a deal. By the time Feb 9th came around they couldn't come to an agreement for whatever reason. I don't remember the exact post but look up his user name. It's 0lo or something like that.
Providing an outlet and a voice for music lovers to unite under the common theme of music for all. Join The Pondo Army to show your allegiance to musical freedom! Fighting for no censorship of the arts & music education in schools, The Pondo Army will triumph! The Pondo Army Movement
Follow me on twitter@Pondoknowsbest