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Post by cory's beard on May 13, 2010 23:21:26 GMT -5
Yeah. It's a matter of principle, though. There's a difference between paying extra money to get certain perks and signing up for a credit card and opening up a possible Pandora's Box that can affect your future.
The problem here is that you're going to get quite a bit of people who are impulsive and will just sign up for the card because they think they're missing a part of the Bonnaroo experience. And in a way, they are. Even if it is a nobody act that nobody cares about, this event is about celebrating the arts, not hoarding them in a special tent for ransom. Anyway, the point I am making is that building credit is a very serious matter, and Bonnaroo and Chase are treating it like a mere ticket at the door. You should never apply the words "all you have to do is sign up for a credit card" to "bonus reward." College campuses realized this, and Bonnaroo should too.
There is an easy solution for everyone that is upset by this....
Don't apply for a credit card and don't patronize their tent.
I'm pretty sure that it goes a little deeper than this. The grype isnt about ignoring it. I ignore the shampoo tent because I'm bald, I have a hard time ignoring a cool kids club at bonnaroo. It just doesn't jive.
Post by dinglehead on May 14, 2010 10:32:22 GMT -5
Stop looking at it like "a cool kids club" - nothing cool is going to be going on in the Chase tent.
Its a LAME corporate sponsorship - like all the other lame corporate sponsor tents and booths they have there.
Are you angry they sell VIP tickets? Thats a cool kids club too.
Don't worry about it - just don't go - and do everything else that is there. Hell, encourage others to boycott the tent. If no one goes this year, I guarantee Chase wont be throwing money at AC next year to be on the property.
Or we could all go apply for cards with funny fake names and info all weekend. This is generally how I get my American Spirit smokes every day.
That works too.
I think people are just getting worked up because there is nothing else to get worked up about right now. It's not like you have the have a Chase card to see the secret MMJ show or something.
I didn't go last year, but I don't remember the Fuse cabin being a cool kids place, the Garnier Fructis tent being for cool kids, the MLB thing or the Guitar Hero places being only for cool kids. As someone who has never been able to afford VIP, I don't feel like less than a person or have had less than a Roo experience because I haven't seen the VIP performance or sat in VIP bleachers.
And I personally think it will be some smaller artist who will already be playing somewhere else like the Sonic stage who will have a separate set in that tent.
I don't like it, but I am not going to stress about it and get heartburn over it.
Yea i'm with Dinglehead on this one- i had a Chase card a few years back and the perks really are minimal. It really is comparable with VIP- except for paying for perks they are providing perks to their EXISTING cardholders. While it does technically encourage people to sign up prior to bonnaroo- people who sign up there will likely just get a tshirt or some nonsense- the same you would get at most credit card promos. It's really nothing all that special and I have a feeling the outrage is more directly tied to people being upset about the schedule delay and just hearing more corporate garbage from them. Release the schedule and no one has an interest in this anymore
Or we could all go apply for cards with funny fake names and info all weekend. This is generally how I get my American Spirit smokes every day.
That works too.
I think people are just getting worked up because there is nothing else to get worked up about right now. It's not like you have the have a Chase card to see the secret MMJ show or something.
Yeah, if it WERE MMJ, I would have to risk ruining my credit rating. But then if it WERE MMJ my heart would break knowing they participated in such a DB-like promo.
Stop looking at it like "a cool kids club" - nothing cool is going to be going on in the Chase tent.
Its a LAME corporate sponsorship - like all the other lame corporate sponsor tents and booths they have there.
Are you angry they sell VIP tickets? Thats a cool kids club too.
Don't worry about it - just don't go - and do everything else that is there. Hell, encourage others to boycott the tent. If no one goes this year, I guarantee Chase wont be throwing money at AC next year to be on the property.
Stop looking at it like "a cool kids club" - nothing cool is going to be going on in the Chase tent.
Its a LAME corporate sponsorship - like all the other lame corporate sponsor tents and booths they have there.
Are you angry they sell VIP tickets? Thats a cool kids club too.
Don't worry about it - just don't go - and do everything else that is there. Hell, encourage others to boycott the tent. If no one goes this year, I guarantee Chase wont be throwing money at AC next year to be on the property.
If there is AC then it is an elitist club.
Don't worry about what others have - it doesnt lead to good things.
Who is down for crashing the tent when the private show happens?
lets do this
I like the way you guys are thinking. What does bonnaroo hope to gain with this? If the act is garbage or some third tier act, the fools in the tent will think they got screwed over. If it isn't. If they actually have the audacity to put someone we would care about in there when the top of the lineup is already weak, bonnaroo will have 70,000 really pissed off people. AFTER we paid $250+ for tickets they are opening special, private party venues?! What artist would be stupid enough to risk being lumped into the Kanye camp? This is fucking bullshit. For the safety of the people checking cards, I hope to god that private concert is some dog shit act.
There is an easy solution for everyone that is upset by this....
Don't apply for a credit card and don't patronize their tent.
It isn't really the easy solution you suggest. When we buy tickets to Bonnaroo, we are entering into a trust of sorts. We pay money in return for a product. In this case the product is the music, a smorgasbord of great, diverse music. When acts are added to private venues, requiring separate purchases AFTER the vast majority of us have bought tickets, the trust is broken. The trust I had that $250+ will purchase access to our beloved musical smorgasbord is shaken. Nevermind that the sponsor of said private concert was a central cause of the recession responsible for the loss of millions of Americans' jobs. That is an entirely separate complaint. I'm starting to lose confidence the people responsible for Bonnaroo care about the audience at all. I no longer trust that next year my $250+ will purchase access to the listed lineup. Maybe the listed lineup will slide downward again, until you hear the great deal Citi Bank is offering you! Will I have to signup for a discover card? How about a cell phone contract? What exactly is the new hidden fee they intend to spring on us next May?
I know this is only one concert, and probably a garbage concert at that. But I have to say a precedent is being set here, one that makes my stomach queasy.
There is an easy solution for everyone that is upset by this....
Don't apply for a credit card and don't patronize their tent.
It isn't really the easy solution you suggest. When we buy tickets to Bonnaroo, we are entering into a trust of sorts. We pay money in return for a product. In this case the product is the music, a smorgasbord of great, diverse music. When acts are added to private venues, requiring separate purchases AFTER the vast majority of us have bought tickets, the trust is broken. The trust I had that $250+ will purchase access to our beloved musical smorgasbord is shaken. Nevermind that the sponsor of said private concert was a central cause of the recession responsible for the loss of millions of Americans' jobs. That is an entirely separate complaint. I'm starting to lose confidence the people responsible for Bonnaroo care about the audience at all. I no longer trust that next year my $250+ will purchase access to the listed lineup. Maybe the listed lineup will slide downward again, until you hear the great deal Citi Bank is offering you! Will I have to signup for a discover card? How about a cell phone contract? What exactly is the new hidden fee they intend to spring on us next May?
I know this is only one concert, and probably a garbage concert at that. But I have to say a precedent is being set here, one that makes my stomach queasy.
I think people are really missing the distinction between what Sponsors decide to do with their promotional real estate, and what Bonnaroo is doing.
Citi is paying them a boatload of money to have a tent there - just like all the other Corporate tents. The other sponsors chose to use their space in a way that invites everyone to come interact with their brands...
Citi, on the other hand, chose to use their real estate to try to increase their CC app numbers.
This is not Bonnaroo choosing to have a show that requires a CC or a CC App - this is Citi making a bad choice on how to leverage their promotional area at the festival.
Stop getting all worked up folks - no one on the announced lineup will be in that Citi tent. It's just some company's agency trying to justify spending hundreds of thousands of dollars being there by trying to force some nice numbers they can show their bosses. Nothing more.
Post by cory's beard on May 14, 2010 13:55:46 GMT -5
It very much is Bonnaroo's choosing to have a show that requires a credit card. It's their property. They have ultimate say in the matter. And Bonnaroo is promoting this tent as well.
I am not disappointed with the bank. That is their business, and they made a good (but dirty) business move. That is to be expected of them. I'm disappointed with Bonnaroo. So, I'm well aware of the distinction. And it doesn't make it any better.
And again, not really worked up about not getting to see the show in the Chase tent. I'm very content with the line-up so far. I'm worked up over the predatory nature of this sponsorship. It's akin to credit card companies setting up tables at college campuses promising fun and sunshine if you sign up for a credit card without making clear the risks and responsibilities involved. A music festival should not be bait to increase credit card applications.
Post by lordrockinhood on May 14, 2010 15:28:42 GMT -5
One time at college, some card company had a raffle for signing up and the winner got $100 cash.
I signed up just to try and win. A lot of students did that day, why not, we were all broke kids. But I WON! So, I bought a ton of booze, threw a party that night, never used the card, and eventually canceled it. I was a poor college kid, and that was pretty awesome.
What I wonder is, how many people who didn't win that day and never planned on keeping the card, might still be using/trying to pay off that card today, 15 years later? It's their own fault I guess.
It very much is Bonnaroo's choosing to have a show that requires a credit card. It's their property. They have ultimate say in the matter. And Bonnaroo is promoting this tent as well.
I am not disappointed with the bank. That is their business, and they made a good (but dirty) business move. That is to be expected of them. I'm disappointed with Bonnaroo. So, I'm well aware of the distinction. And it doesn't make it any better.
And again, not really worked up about not getting to see the show in the Chase tent. I'm very content with the line-up so far. I'm worked up over the predatory nature of this sponsorship. It's akin to credit card companies setting up tables at college campuses promising fun and sunshine if you sign up for a credit card without making clear the risks and responsibilities involved. A music festival should not be bait to increase credit card applications.
Thank you for saying this better that I was able to
I will advise anyone who is thinking about applying for a card to get any type of perk, that it will affect your credit rating. When they run your application, it's an inquiry.. and you don't want to take the hit for a freaking shirt or whatever.
I have a Chase card that used to be a WAMU, until they were swallowed up.. I don't use it. Won't use it.. hell, I won't even go get it from the drawer to see what is offered on the Chase website...
Seriously, Chase took a hell of a bailout from the government. This promotion is counter to their woe is me we are going belly up plea. Boycott, avoid and let Roo know... If I didn't have my tickets, gear and was ready to go I would not buy a ticket due to Chase being there..
Yes, I despise them that much... and for those who have a card or mortgage that you owe chase on, I wish you well, and be sure to watch out for late fees and your payment due dates.
Just FYI, I know curiosity killed the cat but I called Chase to try to get some information. Unfortunately they have no information at all so I gave the customer service dude the link.
Pretty shitty on Bonnaroo's part. Don't think they've ever had a sponsor that said if you didn't have their product, you can't gain entry to whatever they have. Not to mention, they'll likely be trying to get people to apply for credit cards