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Traveling Wilburys 1 & 3 > Anything in the Stones Catalog. Also they just are not that great a live band I have seen them in a Stadium and at The Tomb of Gloom, both shows were subpar at best for Stadium Rock.
Post by Mean Mr. Mustard on Oct 28, 2010 15:07:44 GMT -5
AWATD: Have to disagree on Let it Be, not their best record but still has great songs like Accross the Universe, Get Back, The Long and Winding Road, Two of Us, I've Got a Feeling and Let it Be.
Jhammet: I know my parents kept their Beatles recoords. Also, it is tough to say what the Beatles would have done had they stayed together in the 70s. I'm sure there would have been dissapoiting records, but that happens with all bands. Also, I would definitely argue that Band on the Run holds up very close to Beatles work.
Oh wow, that's just horrible. Do you just not like The Stones at all Jess?
I like them pretty well listening to their albums, but even the albums are hit or miss for me. The last fully solid back to back album was Goats Head Soup after that they had some good singles, but no more great albums. As to the live show, maybe they just do not like Memphis, but they looked (and sounded) like tired old men to me.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Oct 28, 2010 15:21:23 GMT -5
Across The Universe doesn't really go anywhere. It has a serious need for McCartney contribution and is seriously indicative of the LSD haze that Lennon was at the end of the MMT period. Get Back and I've Got a Feeling are fun, awesome rock songs, but they definitely don't belong in the upper tier of Beatles songs. Let it Be has an air of sanctimony to it. You can ever hear Lennon mock the song by say "And now we'd like to do Hark the Herald Angels sing" right before the song on the end of Dig It. I think The Long and Winding Road could have been improved upon in the studio by an invested Lennon and Martin orchestration, but as is the song lacks both. And there are plenty of songs on Let it Be that are just flat out not good. A song about Liverpool prostitute...really? I think Let it Be clearly shows a band that does not have it together.
EDIT: Agreed about GHS, but it's still a great record. And you guys are forgetting Some Girls, which is the last truly great Stones record, coming in 78(i think?). And Tattoo You still has some good songs on it. But I haven't really explored past there.
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Post by awolfatthedoor on Oct 28, 2010 15:26:45 GMT -5
Well that's definitely a huge part of it, but even with Martin producing and arranging there would still be a 1/4 of the album filled with useless songs. And we are still ignoring Yellow Submarine, which is considered canon.
Is it coincidence Phil Spector produce dboth Leonard Cohen's and Beatle's worst albums? I think not. By the late 60s his innovations were tired and most of what he touched turned to shit.
Well that's definitely a huge part of it, but even with Martin producing and arranging there would still be a 1/4 of the album filled with useless songs. And we are still ignoring Yellow Submarine, which is considered canon.
What is wrong with Yellow Submarine? It is just a soundtrack album for the movie.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Oct 28, 2010 15:34:20 GMT -5
Yellow Submarine is definitely worse than Let It Be. And it's considered canon. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
I just think the atmosphere in the studio was incredibly negative, and McCartney was almost afraid to approach Lennon. I mean after all Lennon basically ordered the Spector crucifixion of A Long and Winding Road. Lennon didn't really write a great song after I'm So Tired. It's kinda hard to make great albums with half of your band's writing creatively absent. McCartney carried Abbey Road and LiB.
No Stones album before Some Girls is as bad as Yellow Submarine
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Yeah, no one ever took it seriously, not even them. Now I'd bring out the multitude of awful Stones albums, but I don't have that kind of patience.
I like The Yellow Submarine album I still have my vinyl of it my parents got me when I was 7 or 8. I am just wondering what song/songs in particular make people dislike it.
1. "Yellow Submarine" 2. "Only a Northern Song" 3. "All Together Now" 4. "Hey Bulldog" 5. "It's All Too Much" 6. "All You Need Is Love
I guess maybe you are referring to the soundtrack side that is instrumental, because all 6 of those songs are great.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Oct 28, 2010 15:48:07 GMT -5
The instrumental side is a throwaway imo. Only a Northern Song features a clearly disinterested Harrison. The song was written during the Sgt. Pepper era and was only just thrown on Yellow Submarine. All Together Now is a trite children's song. I don't see how in anyway it's redeemable. It's All Too Much is yet another acid ridden throwaway imo. Hey Bulldog, Yellow Submarine, and All You Need Is Love = 1 for 12. And Hey Bulldog is the only great song with a pretty awesome vocal delivery and good lyrics.
I completely agree Bishop Let It Be and Yellow Submarine are passable, I guess. But that's all they are.
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Yeah, no one ever took it seriously, not even them. Now I'd bring out the multitude of awful Stones albums, but I don't have that kind of patience.
I like The Yellow Submarine album I still have my vinyl of it my parents got me when I was 7 or 8. I am just wondering what song/songs in particular make people dislike it.
1. "Yellow Submarine" 2. "Only a Northern Song" 3. "All Together Now" 4. "Hey Bulldog" 5. "It's All Too Much" 6. "All You Need Is Love
I guess maybe you are referring to the soundtrack side that is instrumental, because all 6 of those songs are great.
Not sure Jess but I know I love 4 of the 6 songs on there 1, 2, 4, and 6. In the end it is 6 song EP which is very good with George Martin's score of the film attached to the 2nd side.
Also, you all are being way to harsh with Let it Be. To many really good songs on it to be considered a bad record, but i will admit it is disjointed do to the atmosphere around the band at the time.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Oct 28, 2010 15:57:50 GMT -5
I just think it's unfair to rip on The Stones for albums like Some Girls or Goats Head Soup when The Beatles feature at least two albums like that. The Stones peak is just as impressive, you can argue one way or the other who's is more impressive, and their pre-1980 valley isn't any deeper.
I'm not trying to argue Let It Be is a sub 5.0 album or anything, just that The Beatles made mistakes whether it was together or solo.
Post by Mean Mr. Mustard on Oct 28, 2010 16:01:09 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% about the Stones. As I said before I love the Stones. We should have one of those Inforoo vote off tournaments on here. Take each bands top 8 or so records. Seed them and have a tournament for everyone to vote. That would be fun.
I think the Rolling Stones vs Beatles argument is the same as the Neil Young vs. Bob Dylan argument. Basically a great way to start an impossible to answer shit storm.
I think the Rolling Stones vs Beatles argument is the same as the Neil Young vs. Bob Dylan argument. Basically a great way to start an impossible to answer Leno storm.
I love em both, both I gotta go with Neil Young, just because you can understand what he is singing during a live concert.
Let It Be and Yellow Submarine are two sub 7.0 albums, and neither album contains a truly great song.
I'll grant you Yellow Submarine - probably my least favorite Beatles album, and certainly my least favorite of their later works - but Let It Be? Really? I'm going to have to disagree strongly on that one, there are some definite classics in there. To each his own, I suppose.
Anyway, the argument over whether Paul or The Rolling Stones would get top billing is a moot point, since they'd both take up the same spot on the lineup - the top billed classic rock headliner on Saturday night. Neither act will ever play second fiddle to anyone else. My personal view is that the Stones haven't made a truly great album in 30 years, but they're still going around pretending to be the same band they were in the '60s and '70s. This isn't an attack on the Stones at all, either - has any band ever had a better string of consecutive releases than Let It Bleed > Sticky Fingers > Exile on Main Street? The quality of their later releases isn't even that important, since I'm sure they stick mostly to their older stuff in concert anyway. I can't speak to the quality of The Rolling Stones' live show since I've never seen them, but Paul McCartney put on one of the most amazing performances I've ever seen. This man does NOT quack around when it comes to his concerts. I went in with high expectations and he surpassed every one of them. That shouldn't have been such a surprise, since he was always the showman of the group and was the one most opposed to retiring to the studio, but I wasn't expecting him to be anywhere near as incredible as he was.
The only band that will get me to come back to Bonnaroo is THE WHITE STRIPES and what better band to have there for the 10 year anniversary.
1. The White Stripes 2. Neil Young 3. David Gilmour
They wouldn't headline.
The White Stripes were fourth billed in 2007, and they certainly haven't gotten any smaller since then - if anything, their hiatus has just made them that much more desirable an act. They could most definitely hold down a Friday night headlining slot by this point. Aaaaaand... not to go back to that old argument again, but yeah, the Beasties headlined. Suck it up, hippies. There was even an article on bonnaroo.com that explicitly said one of the Phish sets was a late night, but I'm too lazy to try and dig it up.
This is a very unrealistic dream lineup, but so is everyone else's at this point, plus it is the 10th anniversary, so quack it...
Fri: The White Stripes (HL) > Daft Punk (LN) Sat: Arcade Fire (pre-HL) > Paul McCartney (HL) Sun: My Morning Jacket (pre-HL) > Neil Young (HL)
I agree that at this point the White Stripes could be a headline status band. Especially if it was their first show back or something along those lines. Yes they mostly played smaller venues but if I remember correctly that was a matter of choice considering they sold out all of the shows in smaller venues.
Without a doubt. People have been scratching to see them for a long time now. If they were big enough to headline ACL in 2007 they are big enough to headline Roo in 2010.