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In regards to a headliner I saw on several pool lists, what about REM as one of the big three. I know they are an arena level band, but in looking at their past several tours they do not play many festivals. Still, with a new album out in the Spring, what do you all think of their potential viability?
Not really, actually AC promotes a lot of our shows these days so the rules get broken more and more often.
It'd be one thing if the show was post-Bonnaroo but having it just 3 months before Bonnaroo in an already weak concert market is not smart. When have they ever done something similar? Local venues were noting last year about what a pain the radius/time clause was in strangling them for talent. They claim that several non-headliners passed on headlining Nashville dates to play Bonnaroo. The discussion was spawned from the lawsuit brought against Lollapalooza last year when Chicago club promoters argued the same thing. If they won't do it with a pre-headliner, they won't do it with a top 3 act.
The fact that AC does both only strengthens the case for Rush NOT being there, why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?
Bonnaroo's clause is 90 days so I think they are safe there. Who complained in town last year by the way? Great Big Shows is partnered with AC. I try to stay pretty plugged into the local music scene and do not remember any kerfuffle.
It'd be one thing if the show was post-Bonnaroo but having it just 3 months before Bonnaroo in an already weak concert market is not smart. When have they ever done something similar? Local venues were noting last year about what a pain the radius/time clause was in strangling them for talent. They claim that several non-headliners passed on headlining Nashville dates to play Bonnaroo. The discussion was spawned from the lawsuit brought against Lollapalooza last year when Chicago club promoters argued the same thing. If they won't do it with a pre-headliner, they won't do it with a top 3 act.
The fact that AC does both only strengthens the case for Rush NOT being there, why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?
Bonnaroo's clause is 90 days so I think they are safe there. Who complained in town last year by the way? Great Big Shows is partnered with AC. I try to stay pretty plugged into the local music scene and do not remember any kerfuffle.
90 days before or after or both? They generally give XX before the date and XX after the date so if it's 90 days, they may essentially be blocking out half a year.
Darin Lashinsky of Outback Concerts was quoted in Rolling Stone as saying, "For local shows, I'm losing business. We're not doing the Flaming Lips at the Ryman, or Tori Amos or something, because they're doing Bonnaroo."
I remember that the Kings of Leon performed (and sold out) the Sommet Center (now Bridgestone Arena) in Nashville leading up to their headlining performance at Bonnaroo but that was in October 2009 and of course Bonnaroo was in June. That's a significant buffer, especially with a band that was as hot as they were at the time. Whether or not Bonnaroo already had them lined up at that time or not I don't know but I'm sure they would've been fine with an 8 month buffer.
Bonnaroo's clause is 90 days so I think they are safe there. Who complained in town last year by the way? Great Big Shows is partnered with AC. I try to stay pretty plugged into the local music scene and do not remember any kerfuffle.
90 days before or after or both? They generally give XX before the date and XX after the date so if it's 90 days, they may essentially be blocking out half a year.
Darin Lashinsky of Outback Concerts was quoted in Rolling Stone as saying, "For local shows, I'm losing business. We're not doing the Flaming Lips at the Ryman, or Tori Amos or something, because they're doing Bonnaroo."
I remember that the Kings of Leon performed (and sold out) the Sommet Center (now Bridgestone Arena) in Nashville leading up to their headlining performance at Bonnaroo but that was in October 2009 and of course Bonnaroo was in June. That's a significant buffer, especially with a band that was as hot as they were at the time. Whether or not Bonnaroo already had them lined up at that time or not I don't know but I'm sure they would've been fine with an 8 month buffer.
I think 90 before and after or April 9 through Aug 9th this year when I looked it up. However Springsteen played in 09 shortly after, and Phish played Knoxville, and Asheville before, in 06 I went to Phil and Friends the week after as well. So like I said it is not like the rules do not get broken. Actually being scheduled right before the blackout date could have been on purpose as well. I wonder where the 300 miles originates from as well. I certainly know Memphis, Louisville, Asheville, and Atlanta get a lot of Bonnaroo shows well inside that time limit.
In regards to a headliner I saw on several pool lists, what about REM as one of the big three. I know they are an arena level band, but in looking at their past several tours they do not play many festivals. Still, with a new album out in the Spring, what do you all think of their potential viability?
I would be fine with R.E.M., not sure if I want them to be the main headliner one night, but being from Georgia, I think it's a possibility. New album, I think they could potentially be there. And if they are, I think they would have to be Top 3.
Post by rockinlamb on Nov 29, 2010 23:36:38 GMT -5
Not really in the headliner category for any of the bands, but Summercamp Festival is dropping lineup additions all this week. Today they announced Bela Fleck & the Flecktones. I know they have (and Bela Fleck acoustic or solo) have done well on the farm, I think it would be good to see them back for the the 10th anniversary.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
Not really in the headliner category for any of the bands, but Summercamp Festival is dropping lineup additions all this week. Today they announced Bela Fleck & the Flecktones. I know they have (and Bela Fleck acoustic or solo) have done well on the farm, I think it would be good to see them back for the the 10th anniversary.
Since DMB will be on hiatus does Coffin rejoin Bela?
So am I the only one thinking Radiohead is pretty unrealistic at this point? I can not imagine Bonnaroo is leaving a slot open hoping they finish their album in time, and decide to tour.
Friday: What~ Elton John (5:30 - 7:30) -> REM (8:30 - 10:30) -> Daft Punk (2:00 - 4:00) Which~ Drake (6:30 - 8:00) -> David Byrne (11:00 - 1:00)
Saturday: What~ Modest Mouse (7:00 - 9:00) -> Pearl Jam (10:00 - 12:30) Which~ Darius Rucker (7:45 - 9:15) -> Iron Maiden (1:00 - 3:00)
Sunday: What~ Avett Brothers (1:00 - 2:45) -> Allman Brothers (3:45 - 5:30) -> Robert Plant and the Band of Joy (6:30 - 8:45) -> Neil Young and Crazy Horse (9:45 - Midnight) Which~ Primus -> Claypool led superjam -> Social Distortion
LN Tent Acts: Explosions in the Sky or Mogwai Jurassic 5 STS9 SCI Samuel Beam Solo The Shins The Deftones
So am I the only one thinking Radiohead is pretty unrealistic at this point? I can not imagine Bonnaroo is leaving a slot open hoping they finish their album in time, and decide to tour.
Well they did play a ton of new stuff over a year before it was officially released last time.
So am I the only one thinking Radiohead is pretty unrealistic at this point? I can not imagine Bonnaroo is leaving a slot open hoping they finish their album in time, and decide to tour.
They aren't but Radiohead can still play without a new album...however, I'm starting to believe the guy's tweet about Gorillaz, Daft Punk, & MMJ being the headliners. It seems too plausible.
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This could be a very realistic top 6 minus one band:
Daft Punk Gorillaz My Morning Jacket Kanye West Buffalo Springfield The Mars Volta
^^ replace Kanye with Iron Maiden, and Buffalo Springfield with NY + CH, and I would be there big time.
Definitely down with that top 5, with your changes. In that case I would guess that NY & CH would jump above MMJ. Also, if Buffalo Springfield is at roo there placement on the lineup poster confuses me. Part of me thinks that it is such a rare show that it would be higher than 5 or 6, but i could be wrong.
So am I the only one thinking Radiohead is pretty unrealistic at this point? I can not imagine Bonnaroo is leaving a slot open hoping they finish their album in time, and decide to tour.
They aren't but Radiohead can still play without a new album...however, I'm starting to believe the guy's tweet about Gorillaz, Daft Punk, & MMJ being the headliners. It seems too plausible.
edit:
This could be a very realistic top 6 minus one band:
Daft Punk Gorillaz My Morning Jacket Kanye West Buffalo Springfield The Mars Volta
Not to start anything but this seems like a less than plausible scenario. There are no headliners, and Mars Volta is not a top 6 band.
So am I the only one thinking Radiohead is pretty unrealistic at this point? I can not imagine Bonnaroo is leaving a slot open hoping they finish their album in time, and decide to tour.
90 days before or after or both? They generally give XX before the date and XX after the date so if it's 90 days, they may essentially be blocking out half a year.
Darin Lashinsky of Outback Concerts was quoted in Rolling Stone as saying, "For local shows, I'm losing business. We're not doing the Flaming Lips at the Ryman, or Tori Amos or something, because they're doing Bonnaroo."
I remember that the Kings of Leon performed (and sold out) the Sommet Center (now Bridgestone Arena) in Nashville leading up to their headlining performance at Bonnaroo but that was in October 2009 and of course Bonnaroo was in June. That's a significant buffer, especially with a band that was as hot as they were at the time. Whether or not Bonnaroo already had them lined up at that time or not I don't know but I'm sure they would've been fine with an 8 month buffer.
I think 90 before and after or April 9 through Aug 9th this year when I looked it up. However Springsteen played in 09 shortly after, and Phish played Knoxville, and Asheville before, in 06 I went to Phil and Friends the week after as well. So like I said it is not like the rules do not get broken. Actually being scheduled right before the blackout date could have been on purpose as well. I wonder where the 300 miles originates from as well. I certainly know Memphis, Louisville, Asheville, and Atlanta get a lot of Bonnaroo shows well inside that time limit.
Ninety days before and after would be March 9 through September 9. Essentially 3 months, either side.
The fact that they played after is a big point, the may have gotten clearance as long as the show wasn't announced until after or very close to Bonnaroo.
The clauses deal not only with time but also distance. At about 190 miles, Atlanta MAY be outside of the clause, along with the other cities. Atlanta's a major market that a lot of people may not be willing to sacrifice in order to play Bonnaroo if they're an A or B level artist.
If you're "Dickfor & the Wannabes" then it's not as big of a deal to pass up a small club show in one of those cities when you may only have a couple hundred people when you can play Bonnaroo and almost be guaranteed at least 1,000 if you play a tent. You sacrifice merch $'s you may have gained at a headlining club show for a higher exposure rate in front of what is hopefully your core demographic.
^^ replace Kanye with Iron Maiden, and Buffalo Springfield with NY + CH, and I would be there big time.
I will NEVER forgive Kanye for the way he acted and talked trash about Roo... I know his new album seems like he's trying to make amends, but just last week he was trash-talkin poor little Swifty for not standing up for him... really Kanye? I didnt know people were supposed to stand up for you after you semi-ruined the best thing in her life to that point. I'm down for some Girl Talk, DMB only performance for 2010, U2, Flo & Machine... NO KANYE.
So am I the only one thinking Radiohead is pretty unrealistic at this point? I can not imagine Bonnaroo is leaving a slot open hoping they finish their album in time, and decide to tour.
I wouldn't count them out just yet.
I am not counting them out just trying to be realistic before they turn into this year's Neil Young. At this point they would have to have been booked as a one off I would think, though Bonnaroo has done that before, and I guess it could kick off a US tour. Don't get me wrong I would love to see them again, but they are "rumored" or asked for every year since 06 it seems like.
Post by Laggy.RETURNS on Nov 30, 2010 11:38:48 GMT -5
I really do think the people on this board are really getting their hopes up about Radiohead a bit much. I'm not buying the mom on a train story. If it weren't for dirty jerzee and alex's comments I'd think it were really unlikely that they are there this year. But I refuse to get my hopes up on this one. I'm regarding it only as a possibility.