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It's not like a Dr. Dre show would be a solo deal. I'm sure he would have plenty of guests. As for Sunday headliner, I think MMJ is a possibility as well. Although a big late night spot or Friday headline seems more likely. I just want them there no matter what.
Arcade Fire, I wanted to add them, but I am starting to think we might not get them. I guess if you take off Dre, then bump WSP or Furthur (in that case) to #2 and Arcade Fire at #3.
I think the Sunday slot will be Furthur, Widespread or Neil Young. I don't see Furthur taking it (Widespread is more likely given their history) and Neil Young is unknown - he doesn't really "tour" but just does shows here and there so who knows.
Arcade Fire isn't nearly big enough to be the #2 name on the lineup. If they're the Friday headliner, then either Neil Young is the Sunday headliner or we're having a huge late night. It just isn't happening. We've had this argument before, but look at the second billed band the last 6 years: Kings of Leon, Phish, Metallica, Tool, Tom Petty, Dave Matthews Band. If you think Arcade Fire is on the popularity level of those bands then you're delusional.
Do they sell more albums than those guys? No. Are they festival headliners? See Coachella. Do they sell tix as headliners? See Coachella.
It's not like a Dr. Dre show would be a solo deal. I'm sure he would have plenty of guests. As for Sunday headliner, I think MMJ is a possibility as well. Although a big late night spot or Friday headline seems more likely. I just want them there no matter what.
Arcade Fire, I wanted to add them, but I am starting to think we might not get them. I guess if you take off Dre, then bump WSP or Furthur (in that case) to #2 and Arcade Fire at #3.
Someone brought up the point that MMJ are subbing at Hangout fest this year. Wouldn't count on them heading Roo just yet, although I'd love for it to happen.
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I've said it before, but why would you want Arcade Fire as a headliner? I'm a huge fan, but I'll take them in as intimate a setting as possible (which is difficult for how big they are). Sure, they probably could headline, they would be a smaller band for a headliner, but they could do it. However, if they don't have to be one then I'd rather they weren't.
I've said it before, but why would you want Arcade Fire as a headliner? I'm a huge fan, but I'll take them in as intimate a setting as possible (which is difficult for how big they are).
Unfortunately for the moment, those days are over. It's not what I want by any means, but currently, it is what it is.
I've said it before, but why would you want Arcade Fire as a headliner? I'm a huge fan, but I'll take them in as intimate a setting as possible (which is difficult for how big they are).
Unfortunately for the moment, those days are over. It's not what I want by any means, but currently, it is what it is.
I'm not saying put them in a Tent or anything, but they might be able to do a LN Which, a Pre-HL What, or a LN What. All of these slots have other bands playing on other stages during them making whatever stage AF would be playing at less crowded. I would be all in for that. Also, it would mean that there were at least 3 acts of a larger caliber than AF, which would be awesome.
Post by Alberto Balsalm on Feb 2, 2011 20:14:52 GMT -5
I just dont see them playing Bonnaroo as anything but a nonheadliner when theyre headlining fests all over the country. I think thats just where they are now.
Edit--And this is all coming from someone who cant stand Arcade Fire.
Do they sell more albums than those guys? No. Are they festival headliners? See Coachella. Do they sell tix as headliners? See Coachella.
I'm not arguing they can't headline, I'm just saying they don't have the widespread popularity to be the #2 billed band at the biggest festival in the country. They're a huge band, and are worthy of a headlining slot, but aren't yet a band that should be the second one read in effort to sell tickets. 3, 4 or 5? Yes, but I'd be surprised to see them as the 2nd "biggest" band at Bonnaroo. I mean, I don't know how you can argue they're as popular or big of a name as Metallica, Tom Petty, Dave Matthews Band, Tool, Phish... bands that are household names and routinely sell out arenas across the country.
I mean, I don't know how you can argue they're as popular or big of a name as Metallica, Tom Petty, Dave Matthews Band, Tool, Phish... bands that are household names and routinely sell out arenas across the country.
Never made that argument you're referring to, as stated above.
By the way, AF sell out arenas as well.
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Edit--And this is all coming from someone who cant stand Arcade Fire.
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i just really dont enjoy their music. i find it very bland and boring, and they sound like theyre trying too hard to make important music to me. i just cant get into it.
i just really dont enjoy their music. i find it very bland and boring, and they sound like theyre trying too hard to make important music to me. i just cant get into it.
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If you find that bland and boring, I really want to know what music you are listening to.
I mean, I don't know how you can argue they're as popular or big of a name as Metallica, Tom Petty, Dave Matthews Band, Tool, Phish... bands that are household names and routinely sell out arenas across the country.
Never made that argument you're referring to, as stated above.
By the way, AF sell out arenas as well.
I was arguing they weren't big enough to take the #2 billed spot, not that they couldn't headline or sell tickets as a headliner. I think they're perfectly fine for the Friday headliner spot, so we must have misunderstood each other's points.
And, when I say routinely sell out arenas, I'm talking 30-40 date tours in which they fill 20,000 seat venues.
i just really dont enjoy their music. i find it very bland and boring, and they sound like theyre trying too hard to make important music to me. i just cant get into it.
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If you find that bland and boring, I really want to know what music you are listening to.
look, some people just dont like certain bands. what they do just doesnt click for me. ive checked out all their albums both sober and high as a kite with an open mind, watched live footage, it just doesnt do it for me.
and if you really must know, heres what ive been listening to recently...
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
I never said they couldn't headline. I said they probably wouldn't be #2 highest billed band on the lineup. Headline, yes. #2, no.
That would imply that there would either be a huge late night act or the Sunday headliner would be bigger (not Widespread or Furthur or MMJ, probably Neil Young).
look, some people just dont like certain bands. what they do just doesnt click for me. ive checked out all their albums both sober and high as a kite with an open mind, watched live footage, it just doesnt do it for me.
sorry man, i'm afraid you're infected.. it's a horrible disease called bad taste
Sorry I don't know the ticket sales of every venue. I've seen Tom Petty 3 times in Pittsburgh and he sold out the lawn both times (and the whole venue the first time, but it was with the Allman Brothers). He sold out Buffalo twice last year. And are you really nitpicking about Tom Petty not "filling" arenas? He played the Super Bowl and has done huge tours like that for the past 25 years - I know very few people who don't like Tom Petty.
I only brought up the venue size argument again because Widespread and Phil & Friends are the only two headliners since 2006 to not do huge tours of 20k seat arenas when they play, so it's a pretty standard rule of thumb. We go around in circles about it, and I agree that a band like Arcade Fire would headline, but it's still a fact.
My argument is that I find it unlikely that Arcade Fire would be the second highest act at Bonnaroo, where they'd be the second band read by people interested in Bonnaroo. Yes, they have a lot of fans, sell tickets and are big. But I'm just trying to say that I doubt they're the second "biggest" band at Bonnaroo, when in previous years it was bands that I already listed who I think are on another level of name recognition/popularity.
The fact that your top bands in the last 2 years are Radiohead, Led Zeppelin, Sublime, Muse, Slightly Stoopid, Outkast, Pink Floyd and The Beatles lead me to believe that you are extremely young and new to this whole good music thing. Only a young person would only be listening to these universally acclaimed bands from decades ago so much more than everything else because everyone else already has heard these albums hundreds of times. I'm in no way saying people don't listen to these albums anymore, but not to the extent that people who are just getting into them do.
So that being said, I'm not sure I can trust your opinion on music a whole lot. Much like how I laugh at the 19 year old claiming Muse is the best band evaaaaaar. There isn't really many/any good reasons not to like Arcade Fire and once you discover your bias against them and just give them an honest shot you will see this. They make fantastic music.
For the record, I love Arcade Fire and think they're a fantastic band. They're in my Top 10 list for wants at Bonnaroo and they'd be a great Friday headliner band. That being said, people that obsess over them (and Radiohead) need to chill the quack out.
It seems to me that anytime someone suggests they aren't big enough to headline or aren't a gigantic act like other previous headliners or aren't the greatest band since the Beatles get attacked on this board.
look, some people just dont like certain bands. what they do just doesnt click for me. ive checked out all their albums both sober and high as a kite with an open mind, watched live footage, it just doesnt do it for me.
sorry man, i'm afraid you're infected.. it's a horrible disease called bad taste
There isn't really many/any good reasons not to like Arcade Fire and once you discover your bias against them and just give them an honest shot you will see this. They make fantastic music.
Wow.....people have different tastes in music. You are going to have to accept this some day.
The fact that your top bands in the last 2 years are Radiohead, Led Zeppelin, Sublime, Muse, Slightly Stoopid, Outkast, Pink Floyd and The Beatles lead me to believe that you are extremely young and new to this whole good music thing. Only a young person would only be listening to these universally acclaimed bands from decades ago so much more than everything else because everyone else already has heard these albums hundreds of times. I'm in no way saying people don't listen to these albums anymore, but not to the extent that people who are just getting into them do.
So that being said, I'm not sure I can trust your opinion on music a whole lot. Much like how I laugh at the 19 year old claiming Muse is the best band evaaaaaar. There isn't really many/any good reasons not to like Arcade Fire and once you discover your bias against them and just give them an honest shot you will see this. They make fantastic music.
Chill out dude, to each his own. He's got some great bands that he listens to. Who cares if he's not all about AF? They aren't for everyone.
The fact that your top bands in the last 2 years are Radiohead, Led Zeppelin, Sublime, Muse, Slightly Stoopid, Outkast, Pink Floyd and The Beatles lead me to believe that you are extremely young and new to this whole good music thing. Only a young person would only be listening to these universally acclaimed bands from decades ago so much more than everything else because everyone else already has heard these albums hundreds of times. I'm in no way saying people don't listen to these albums anymore, but not to the extent that people who are just getting into them do.
So that being said, I'm not sure I can trust your opinion on music a whole lot. Much like how I laugh at the 19 year old claiming Muse is the best band evaaaaaar. There isn't really many/any good reasons not to like Arcade Fire and once you discover your bias against them and just give them an honest shot you will see this. They make fantastic music.
I don't think I can let you get away with that first paragraph. Lots of people go back to some of their old favorites during stretches. I can go a couple of years not listening to much Dead, Zeppelin or Floyd in comparison to other artists but I can go for years and listen to tons of it comparative to newer music. I'm probably listening to more Bob Marley than anything these days and that hasn't been true for the last decade or so.
It's also OK to not like something. It's also OK for other people not to like things. Really.