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Well let's not forget that the original 2008 headliners were Metallica, Pearl Jam, and Jack Johnson. No jam band headliner until the Allman's cancelled and Roo moved things around.
^I dont really consider most of the bands labeled "Jam" as anything but rock and roll so I can't really help you there. They do play him all the time on Sirius Jam On, though so I assume others think of him this way.
I started a thread on here before, and never got a great answer. What makes a band a "Jam Band"?
As someone who doesnt particularly like jam bands,i would say i put jack johnson in that area.
To me jam bands have always been "stoner rock" (not that i use that pejoratively). Stuff you can just kind of get high to and sit there listening passively and happily. Thats why i would call Jack Johnson "jammy". Bands where its more about cool casual guitar playing, lots of improv / jazzy influences.
But i think you would get a different answer from a jam band fan.
I really haven't. Skipped both their sets in 09. Probably should have given em more of a chance. But from what i'm seeing on youtube, they are how i thought they were.
Not trying to bash anyones musical tastes Jess. I can appreciate that people are into that. I just dont really happen to be.
Post by A$AP Rosko on Jan 21, 2011 15:30:27 GMT -5
I definitely do not consider Jack Johnson a jam act. A few characteristics that jump out to me:
a)Their live shows are more vital to their reputation than their recorded catalogue. b)Each live performance is totally different from the ones that preceded it, not only in terms of setlists, but in terms of how they play those songs. c)Songs that are routinely 10+ minutes long and sometimes 20+ minutes d)a shortage of vocals or lyrics in proportion to those track lengths e)a style of playing that promotes freedom as opposed to adhering to a melodic structure
Also, nobody was saying that Bonnaroo should get rid of jam bands, Jess. They were just disagreeing with the statement that Bonnaroo has gotten away from its roots.
lol @ the idea of listening to Phish passively. W/o a doubt they have the most aggressive listening fanbase of any major arena act currently touring.
Jam music typically takes aggressive and obsessive listening before one truly comprehends what that band is doing up there. Sure passive listening works for the passive fan,however, You'll find most dedicated fans of jambands are rabid and voracious listeners.
I definitely do not consider Jack Johnson a jam act. A few characteristics that jump out to me:
a)Their live shows are more vital to their reputation than their recorded catalogue. b)Each live performance is totally different from the ones that preceded it, not only in terms of setlists, but in terms of how they play those songs. c)Songs that are routinely 10+ minutes long and sometimes 20+ minutes d)a shortage of vocals or lyrics in proportion to those track lengths e)a style of playing that promotes freedom as opposed to adhering to a melodic structure
Also, nobody was saying that Bonnaroo should get rid of jam bands, Jess. They were just disagreeing with the statement that Bonnaroo has gotten away from its roots.
So by your definition Primus is not a jamband? Like I said he gets tons of play on Sirius Jam On station that is all I was basing my criteria on. Also yes Karosko getting rid of the jam headliner was brought up at least three times in the last three pages.
What about WSP headlining Which on Sunday? 5.00-8.45
Maybe they'll get 3 regular classic and contemporary artists, and relegate the jam to latenight tents, and maybe something like which closer as mentioned above.
I don't think that's fair. If the jamheads don't have the ability or willingness to diversify their musical interests into something that isn't just jam, that's on them. There have been some GREAT bands to headline over the years. Bonnaroo doesn't just grab bands that are huge, they grab bands that are really quacking good and happen to be huge.
So when people complain about Bonnaroos roots where exactly is your problem with the earlier lineups that makes you think it was nothing but Jambands? The people who went to Bonnaroo orginally obviously had wide ranging diverse musical tastes.
Ween, Jurassic 5, Norah Jones, Old Crow Medicine Show, Blackalicious, Cut Chemist etc.... It is not like it was Trey, Phil, and Jack Johnson sitting on stage jamming all weekend you know. Maybe some of the people just starting to go need to diversify their musical tastes and learn about Jazz, Classic rock and the amazingnesss of Phish shows.
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and I'd say Jack johnson is a jamband in the way MMJ is a jamband. Under the true definition of the genre, neither really fit into the category. Yet both have embraced the jam scene and are associated with jambads because of their early and often connection to Bonnaroo or other jam fests.
Sometimes people think if Roo doesn't have Phish, The Dead, and Widespread headlining then they are shittting all over their jam roots lol..
by that same token, if that was the headline bill for one year, they would draw huge, b/c of the willingness of all 3 fanbases to travel, and the crossover w/in those fanbases.
Maybe some of the people just starting to go need to diversify their musical tastes and learn about Jazz, Classic rock and the amazingnesss of Phish shows.
Every year there is a band who I think wouldn't really like, and i see them, and realize how awesome they are and how ive been missing out. That's one of my favorite parts of going. Is seeing who surprises me.
but Its gotten so big, with so many great acts at the same time, that its hard to take a chance on something that everyone tells me is awesome, when there is someone who i know I love playing at the same time.
I definitely do not consider Jack Johnson a jam act. A few characteristics that jump out to me:
a)Their live shows are more vital to their reputation than their recorded catalogue. b)Each live performance is totally different from the ones that preceded it, not only in terms of setlists, but in terms of how they play those songs. c)Songs that are routinely 10+ minutes long and sometimes 20+ minutes d)a shortage of vocals or lyrics in proportion to those track lengths e)a style of playing that promotes freedom as opposed to adhering to a melodic structure
Also, nobody was saying that Bonnaroo should get rid of jam bands, Jess. They were just disagreeing with the statement that Bonnaroo has gotten away from its roots.
So by your definition Primus is not a jamband? Like I said he gets tons of play on Sirius Jam On station that is all I was basing my criteria on. Also yes Karosko getting rid of the jam headliner was brought up at least three times in the last three pages.
I don't think that's fair. If the jamheads don't have the ability or willingness to diversify their musical interests into something that isn't just jam, that's on them. There have been some GREAT bands to headline over the years. Bonnaroo doesn't just grab bands that are huge, they grab bands that are really quacking good and happen to be huge.
So when people complain about Bonnaroos roots where exactly is your problem with the earlier lineups that makes you think it was nothing but Jambands? The people who went to Bonnaroo orginally obviously had wide ranging diverse musical tastes.
Ween, Jurassic 5, Norah Jones, Old Crow Medicine Show, Blackalicious, Cut Chemist etc.... It is not like it was Trey, Phil, and Jack Johnson sitting on stage jamming all weekend you know. Maybe some of the people just starting to go need to diversify their musical tastes and learn about Jazz, Classic rock and the amazingnesss of Phish shows.
I already listen to that stuff. Plenty of jazz, as much classic rock as anyone I know, and yes phish as well. I also enjoy Arcade Fire and The White Stripes. Quit speaking to the board at large like you know us all personally or something.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
Post by The Wookie Monster on Jan 21, 2011 17:00:55 GMT -5
What makes a jam band is your question, Jess? You don't ask easy ones do you?
Jam Band according to wikipedia:
The performances of these bands often feature extended musical improvisation ("jams") over rhythmic grooves and chord patterns and long sets of music that cross genre boundaries.
I agree ^^^. Normally a jam band typically has a far more musical presence than lyrical presence in their songs and have shows that are experimental by design and improvised without much forethought. And don't start with Les Claypool as he is not your typical jam band artist.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jan 21, 2011 17:02:57 GMT -5
can we not have the "what is a jam band" dicussion? It will only lead to 5 pages of everyone's personal definition and then arguments about who is or isn't a jam band.
can we not have the "what is a jam band" dicussion? It will only lead to 5 pages of everyone's personal definition and then arguments about who is or isn't a jam band.
I see what you're trying to do, but I'm going to go a different direction with it.
Post by The Wookie Monster on Jan 21, 2011 17:31:49 GMT -5
DMB started off as a jam band, but then as they grew, got more commercialized/radio friendly and became more of a pop band. That's what they are now: a jampop band. Just created a whole new genre.
can we not have the "what is a jam band" dicussion? It will only lead to 5 pages of everyone's personal definition and then arguments about who is or isn't a jam band.
DMB started off as a jam band, but then as they grew, got more commercialized/radio friendly and became more of a pop band. That's what they are now: a jampop band. Just created a whole new genre.
You do realize that their very first album sold a ton of records, and spawned any number of major singles, right? They didn't get more commercialized/radio friendly, they always were. They just finally got noticed, is all.
Actually, Matt Motherfucking Hasselback, Remember Two Things was their first album and it was a live album. But yes, my sister had that album and remembered Ants Marching song which was a very, very, loooooonnnng one drumbeat that was shortened big time in Under The Table & Dreaming, which you may think was their first album. But no, DMB played up and around VA where my sister went to school, therefore I heard them very early on and they were jammy as jammy can be.