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Arcade of Fire can easily headline the roo. Jess keeps referencing some Ryman show 2 years ago that didnt sell out till a week before the show. This band has blown up. They sold out 2 chicago shows in under 2 min at 8K capacity per show. They are headline ready.
granted - aside from the scarcastic wiki link - The Suburbs is on the top of everyones best of list - they have had some amazing collabs this year - including but not limited to Terry Gilliam!!!! That you are using Taylor Swift and Kanye in the same breath as AF is a little disconcerting - they have huge record labels behind them driving thier success and AF has humble but stallworth Merge. They made the best record this year (commence disagreement) and Roo X is the biggest festival of 2011 and the two should meet and make sweet love and give us all an amazing little ethereal white haired rosy cheeked late night friday set child. BOING
So this is the opposite of the U2 argument, you like them lots of people do, but do you really feel they can pull 70k people inside to see them? I would be absurdly happy if Garage a trois headlined, but they won't.
easily - They would be THE BAND for the weekend - Ya know Wolfy I can't tell if you truly believe U2 are a more valuable band then Arcade Fire OR you are just being arguementative - either way I am in complete disaccord.
I guess it's different at both fests, but AF are a big band for a lot of 16-30 year olds who are the main demographic of the fest. They would be a band everybody talked about all weekend, and could easily draw 60,000 at a fest with a bunch of people who are all passionate about music.
Either way, they're going to announce a southern tour soon enough, so we'll see what type of venues they play during the early spring and where you think they'll be able to play.
I am actually curious to see that as well. If they are selling out big theaters/amphitheaters I will certainly change my position. But even KOL who was the weakest headliner we have ever had is arguably a "bigger" band that Arcade Fire.
Arcade of Fire can easily headline the roo. Jess keeps referencing some Ryman show 2 years ago that didnt sell out till a week before the show. This band has blown up. They sold out 2 chicago shows in under 2 min at 8K capacity per show. They are headline ready.
The Ryman show was last year they played at Alph two weeks after Phish when they only sold seats and still did not sell it out. At least bother to actually read the posts before you randomly bitch.
So this is the opposite of the U2 argument, you like them lots of people do, but do you really feel they can pull 70k people inside to see them? I would be absurdly happy if Garage a trois headlined, but they won't.
easily - They would be THE BAND for the weekend - Ya know Wolfy I can't tell if you truly believe U2 are a more valuable band then Arcade Fire OR you are just being arguementative - either way I am in complete disaccord.
Lulz I am not a fan of either but to say Arcade Fire would be objectively bigger than U2 is laughable.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
Doesnt matter. Different band that has headlined Lollapalooza and is blowing up. Get over it buddy.
Lulz, like I said show me another band that has headlined Bonnaroo that could not sell 5000 tickets in Atlanta. Blowing up is pretty funny term by the way especially since nobody can produce any objective evidence as to why this is the case.
Post by gryphonkin on Jan 23, 2011 19:46:01 GMT -5
Look, I really like Arcade Fire. I hope they're at Bonnaroo because I haven't seen them live. You can argue all day if they're a better band than U2 because "better" is subjective. But if you're actually trying to say that AF is a bigger draw than U2 then you have some serious drug problems...
That said, I too will be curious to see what AF plays on the next tour. In 2010, they played the 3000 seat Ryman when KoL, a band I despise, played the 20,000 seat Bridgestone Arena. As much as KoL sucked donkey balls at Bonnaroo, they're a bigger draw on top of a bill than Arcade Fire, or at least were in 2010. We will see if they are in 2011.
Wait, so headlining Lollapaloza and Coachella isnt enough evidence that these guys are headliners?? You sound like an old man Jess. Do you kick kids off your lawn too?
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
easily - They would be THE BAND for the weekend - Ya know Wolfy I can't tell if you truly believe U2 are a more valuable band then Arcade Fire OR you are just being arguementative - either way I am in complete disaccord.
Lulz I am not a fan of either but to say Arcade Fire would be objectively bigger than U2 is laughable.
bigger and valuable have completely seperate meanings - I can say without hesitation that U2 is more commercially successful compared to AF and if that makes them bigger then point wolfy - but to say U2 is more valuable is ludicrous - The musical landscape would look quite unfriendly if there were more bands like U2 and less like AF inhabiting the panorama - I'm sure U2 will draw a huge crowd - in all likely hood the biggest crowd of the weekend - but I won't be there. I'll be out trying to find a pure source, something with some guts.
I would like to insert here that growing up in Dublin when those guys were growing up must have took some serious sack meat but it cannot speak to the kind of music they make!!
For the record my prediction for headliners in 2011 is U2, Furthur, and Widespread Panic.
Reasoning: U2: Week long gap in their tourdates during Roo is an obvious indicator. We've seen this happen before with Phish. Furthur: Elder statesmen of the scene, and a dead-related act has nit headlined Bonnaroo since 2006. Bobby and Phil played together at the first Roo. Widespread Panic: has Headlined 7 of the 27 headlining slots (26% of tge time). Headlined 1st year for 2 nights. Is going on indefinite hiatus post-2011. Is tied to Bonnaroo and their success on a level that no other band can claim. An obvious get.
Though that is my prediction, I am not 100% confident that all 3 will headline. I do expect all 3 to be there, but could see Panic or Furthur grabbing a late night instead of a headliner.
Not so sure I could see Panic doing a late night set only b/c they've never done one before. However, Phil and Friends did do a late night set one year, so maybe Panic one night on What Stage with Furthur (following on same night) on either What or Which Stage with a 12-2 or 3am slot. ??? I would just be surprised if they had two jambands playing the 7-11 slot on What Stage. I could be wrong though. I could deal with Furthur and Panic...but I'd really hope U2 would be replaced by...just about anyone else. Namely, Radiohead, but I'm not counting my chickens...
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Wait, so headlining Lollapaloza and Coachella isnt enough evidence that these guys are headliners?? You sound like an old man Jess. Do you kick kids off your lawn too?
Plenty of bands have Headlined both of those festivals that would be pre headliners or LN Which/What acts at Bonnaroo. Unopposed headliners need to be able to pull the whole crowd in. Are they bigger than Jay Z, The Beasties, NIN etc..?
Wait, so headlining Lollapaloza and Coachella isnt enough evidence that these guys are headliners?? You sound like an old man Jess. Do you kick kids off your lawn too?
Lulz I am not a fan of either but to say Arcade Fire would be objectively bigger than U2 is laughable.
bigger and valuable have completely seperate meanings - I can say without hesitation that U2 is more commercially successful compared to AF and if that makes them bigger then point wolfy - but to say U2 is more valuable is ludicrous - The musical landscape would look quite unfriendly if there were more bands like U2 and less like AF inhabiting the panorama - I'm sure U2 will draw a huge crowd - in all likely hood the biggest crowd of the weekend - but I won't be there. I'll be out trying to find a pure source, something with some guts.
I would like to insert here that growing up in Dublin when those guys were growing up must have took some serious sack meat but it cannot speak to the kind of music they make!!
You are obviously a big music fan, with tastes and strong opinions, this will make you fit in here. Just remember for everyone of us there are 10/20 people there to party and see big bands that play songs they know the words to.
bigger and valuable have completely seperate meanings - I can say without hesitation that U2 is more commercially successful compared to AF and if that makes them bigger then point wolfy - but to say U2 is more valuable is ludicrous - The musical landscape would look quite unfriendly if there were more bands like U2 and less like AF inhabiting the panorama - I'm sure U2 will draw a huge crowd - in all likely hood the biggest crowd of the weekend - but I won't be there. I'll be out trying to find a pure source, something with some guts.
I would like to insert here that growing up in Dublin when those guys were growing up must have took some serious sack meat but it cannot speak to the kind of music they make!!
You are obviously a big music fan, with tastes and strong opinions, this will make you fit in here. Just remember for everyone of us there are 1000/2000 people there to party and see big bands that play songs they know the words to.
Post by gryphonkin on Jan 23, 2011 20:01:18 GMT -5
I'm not going to say AF won't headline, but I'm with Jess in thinking there's no way it'd be an unopposed headline. I could see them doing a Beasties/Byrne split with an older established act like Robert Plant or Primus.
Post by A$AP Rosko on Jan 23, 2011 20:04:05 GMT -5
Nobody has easy access to ticket sale numbers, Jess, so any number you're throwing out there is based on hearsay and/or speculation. It's not as "objective" or "factual" as you're making it sound. I went to their show in Columbia, MD at a 16,500 capacity venue and while I can't say for certain that it sold out, it's hard to imagine the place being more packed than it was.
Also, The Suburbs peaked at #1 on the US Billboard 200 last year, as well as accomplishing the same feat on similar charts in the UK, Portugal, Canada, Ireland, Norway, and Belgium. Neil Young's Le Noise, by comparison, peaked at #14 on the US Billboard 200. I think we'll all agree that Neil could headline. Hell, believe it or not, Kings of Leon's last two records never even reached #1 on the US Billboard 200 (Only by the Night peaked at #4 and Come Around Sundown, released last year after their Roo appearance, peaked at #2). I'm not saying that they are bigger than KOL or Neil Young, I am simply showing you why people believe they have "blown up."
bigger and valuable have completely seperate meanings - I can say without hesitation that U2 is more commercially successful compared to AF and if that makes them bigger then point wolfy - but to say U2 is more valuable is ludicrous - The musical landscape would look quite unfriendly if there were more bands like U2 and less like AF inhabiting the panorama - I'm sure U2 will draw a huge crowd - in all likely hood the biggest crowd of the weekend - but I won't be there. I'll be out trying to find a pure source, something with some guts.
I would like to insert here that growing up in Dublin when those guys were growing up must have took some serious sack meat but it cannot speak to the kind of music they make!!
You are obviously a big music fan, with tastes and strong opinions, this will make you fit in here. Just remember for everyone of us there are 10/20 people there to party and see big bands that play songs they know the words to.
hmmph, I really cannot argue with this statement. I have met some amazing people at ZE ROO and I am sure not all of them are as serious about music as I am and I would never think to discount them. That being said - apperantly the Bonnaroo portion of the previously mentioned U2 article has been removed from said article -The reasoning behind such a retraction could fall anywhere between pressure from the Roo brass or shoddy journalism - either way I am glad that devilish little bit of cyber puke has been cleared from sight.
Nobody has easy access to ticket sale numbers, Jess, so any number you're throwing out there is based on hearsay and/or speculation. It's not as "objective" or "factual" as you're making it sound. I went to their show in Columbia, MD at a 16,500 capacity venue and while I can't say for certain that it sold out, it's hard to imagine the place being more packed than it was.
Also, The Suburbs peaked at #1 on the US Billboard 200 last year, as well as accomplishing the same feat on similar charts in the UK, Portugal, Canada, Ireland, Norway, and Belgium. By comparison, Neil Young's Le Noise, by comparison, peaked at #14 on the US Billboard 200. I think we'll all agree that Neil could headline. Hell, believe it or not, Kings of Leon's last two records never even reached #1 on the US Billboard 200 (Only by the Night peaked at #4 and Come Around Sundown, released last year after their Roo appearance, peaked at #2). I'm not saying that they are bigger than KOL or Neil Young, I am simply showing you why people believe they have "blown up."
If they announce a southern tour again like Nod said I imagine that will put most of this to rest. They had a good year, but for instance it looks like Kanye had just about as big a year. Also throwing Billboard numbers around is not the best indicator. Ke$ha still plays clubs, and her billboard numbers are better than either.
Nobody has easy access to ticket sale numbers, Jess, so any number you're throwing out there is based on hearsay and/or speculation. It's not as "objective" or "factual" as you're making it sound. I went to their show in Columbia, MD at a 16,500 capacity venue and while I can't say for certain that it sold out, it's hard to imagine the place being more packed than it was.
Also, The Suburbs peaked at #1 on the US Billboard 200 last year, as well as accomplishing the same feat on similar charts in the UK, Portugal, Canada, Ireland, Norway, and Belgium. By comparison, Neil Young's Le Noise, by comparison, peaked at #14 on the US Billboard 200. I think we'll all agree that Neil could headline. Hell, believe it or not, Kings of Leon's last two records never even reached #1 on the US Billboard 200 (Only by the Night peaked at #4 and Come Around Sundown, released last year after their Roo appearance, peaked at #2). I'm not saying that they are bigger than KOL or Neil Young, I am simply showing you why people believe they have "blown up."
who is this masked avenger and does he have a line of collectable lunch boxes?
Nobody has easy access to ticket sale numbers, Jess, so any number you're throwing out there is based on hearsay and/or speculation. It's not as "objective" or "factual" as you're making it sound. I went to their show in Columbia, MD at a 16,500 capacity venue and while I can't say for certain that it sold out, it's hard to imagine the place being more packed than it was.
Also, The Suburbs peaked at #1 on the US Billboard 200 last year, as well as accomplishing the same feat on similar charts in the UK, Portugal, Canada, Ireland, Norway, and Belgium. By comparison, Neil Young's Le Noise, by comparison, peaked at #14 on the US Billboard 200. I think we'll all agree that Neil could headline. Hell, believe it or not, Kings of Leon's last two records never even reached #1 on the US Billboard 200 (Only by the Night peaked at #4 and Come Around Sundown, released last year after their Roo appearance, peaked at #2). I'm not saying that they are bigger than KOL or Neil Young, I am simply showing you why people believe they have "blown up."
who is this masked avenger and does he have a line of collectable lunch boxes?
who is this masked avenger and does he have a line of collectable lunch boxes?
He has a posse you can join.
(sorry K I just could not help that one)
sign me up - this young fella is going places - sky's the limit as they say!! If I can get in on the bottom floor the ride will be all the longer!!!
Seriously though - They have had not a good year not a great year not even an amazing year - they have had a supercalafragilicticexpealadocious year ( putting it mildly) and if the roo brass didn't close em for this year or if by don't manage to close them between now and then ( and the likelyhood of that happening fades with each passing day) - disappointment will abound - I don't think it will dampen spirits to the point that the fest will suffer to greatly but that question will remain unanswered - that void, unfilled!!!