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^^^the one thing I do know is that it is not worth arguing with you about - I had a good time at 'roo - the "vibe" was different for me this year - I doubt that we will be back but never say never - if we do - we will do a few things different - different camp and no friends along for the ride
Ya wanna argue - go find someone else
i was looking for those MS plates in the walmart....but never saw you!
After a series of misfortunes on the road - wrong turns, traffic in Birmingham - grass fires on the road, it was 8:30 before we got there - we parked, looked around, potty break, bought beer. We had ONE person that wanted to head on in to camp - and to keep the peace after the drive - we headed in - it sucked for me - because I never got to meet as many people as I wanted to
Sorry to hear you won't be back next year - more space for the rest of us I guess...
bos1969 said:
don't get me wrong - I still had a great time and part of my bad experience was more with the people that went with us then Bonnaroo itself - but as I look back and "feel" the vibe - it was just very very different then last year. I saw way more people that looked like they should be at Ozzfest then Bonnaroo, way more teenybopper teenagers with no adult supervision, more rude security then ever, higher prices for food, bad sound at tents and stages.
The only other think that reallyirked me was - I was in BFE (which I expected) well - with all the talk about showers and such - there was not a shower station in BFE at all - we were in Pod 1 - the closest shower was in Pod 4 - well I am not walking 1 1/2 miles to take a shower and then walk back to BFE and then walk back to Centeroo. Plus - there was only one wash station for all of BFE - that was just crazy
Ya know, when I read this quote by "mindexpansion", I was on the fence about whether it was harshy, or just trite.
The more I think about it and read posts that want people who had a rough time to keep it to themselves, the more I wonder if there is any real search for true mind expansion by some folks around here. The experience has changed. For those of you with nothing to compare this year's experience to but your own expectations, good for you. But you really have no need to defend Bonnaroo as if your own precious memories depended upon it. It's a personal experience. And to get personal and harsh about good people who only want to report honestly about their own experiences is opposed to what the vibe of Bonnaroo used to be about, right ? From these criticisms, hopefully will spawn change for the better. If you simply wanna cheerlead, that's fine. But i see no need to whitewash the experience that others had simply for the sake of remembering Bonnaroo so virginally. And then to suggest that the festival will be better off without them....simply close-minded.
Their has been an evolution of the vibe at roo for sure. And I have used the Ozzfest comparison to get that accross to folks who have been before but not this year. Many have reflected seeing that change already from years past. I still go and shine my light. From the change over the last 4 years I have witnessed, I question whether my light wouldn't be more well received in a less commercial, more grass roots situation. The people were what had always sealed the deal for me in the past. I guess that will continue to be true. The elements that i used to have to deny at Bonnaroo have increased from 5% to about 30%.
mindexpansi0n said:
Guys, Bonnaroo forced the dust on him (they made the dust and blew it around with huge underground fans don't ya know?), caused him to drain his battery (they drugged/hypnotized him into running that battery operated fan all night), and THEN they forced him not to call AAA when he got towed out of the campgrounds... oh yeah, and they also forced him to whine about it all and probably be one of the more unpleasant individuals at Bonnaroo. He WON'T be back, so don't EVEN try to talk him into it, ok?!?!
This kind of sarcasm, pandering to crowd mentality, and generally dumping on someone who is down on their luck is in the spirit of Bonnaroo, eh ?
Post by oleander124 on Jun 24, 2007 9:32:25 GMT -5
snoochio said:
mindexpansi0n said:
Sorry to hear you won't be back next year - more space for the rest of us I guess...
Ya know, when I read this quote by "mindexpansion", I was on the fence about whether it was harshy, or just trite.
The more I think about it and read posts that want people who had a rough time to keep it to themselves, the more I wonder if there is any real search for true mind expansion by some folks around here. The experience has changed. For those of you with nothing to compare this year's experience to but your own expectations, good for you. But you really have no need to defend Bonnaroo as if your own precious memories depended upon it. It's a personal experience. And to get personal and harsh about good people who only want to report honestly about their own experiences is opposed to what the vibe of Bonnaroo used to be about, right ? From these criticisms, hopefully will spawn change for the better. If you simply wanna cheerlead, that's fine. But i see no need to whitewash the experience that others had simply for the sake of remembering Bonnaroo so virginally. And then to suggest that the festival will be better off without them....simply close-minded.
Their has been an evolution of the vibe at roo for sure. And I have used the Ozzfest comparison to get that accross to folks who have been before but not this year. Many have reflected seeing that change already from years past. I still go and shine my light. From the change over the last 4 years I have witnessed, I question whether my light wouldn't be more well received in a less commercial, more grass roots situation. The people were what had always sealed the deal for me in the past. I guess that will continue to be true. The elements that i used to have to deny at Bonnaroo have increased from 5% to about 30%.
mindexpansi0n said:
Guys, Bonnaroo forced the dust on him (they made the dust and blew it around with huge underground fans don't ya know?), caused him to drain his battery (they drugged/hypnotized him into running that battery operated fan all night), and THEN they forced him not to call AAA when he got towed out of the campgrounds... oh yeah, and they also forced him to whine about it all and probably be one of the more unpleasant individuals at Bonnaroo. He WON'T be back, so don't EVEN try to talk him into it, ok?!?!
This kind of sarcasm, pandering to crowd mentality, and generally dumping on someone who is down on their luck is in the spirit of Bonnaroo, eh ?
See ya next year, BRAH
kudos to you my man! (i'll give karma when I can!)
(meg---sorry someone dumped on you. People don't understand when someone else didn't have the same experiences.)
Post by tok4nug2nati0n on Jun 24, 2007 9:59:57 GMT -5
I was giving out courtesy jumps (I was traded some... things... for a jump, quite a few times) and even had a solar powered battery jumper... you just hook it up, leave it on for a few hours, go see a few shows, and by around 7-9pm, you're good to listen to music whenever you get back from shows, etc. I also brought one of those chargeable jumpers with the USB ports/AC/radio on them. People paid me for them anyway, a few times, but honestly, I wouldn't accept more than $5 or $10 donation for a quick jump. Anything more is just ridiculous. ;D There's so many out-of-the-box ways to get your car fixed at roo. To me, it just sounds like you had some bad karma and got paranoid/desperate.
I come prepared for that business... I also brought three tow ropes, tool boxes, extra oil (both synthetic and regular), and had a few ratchet sets. You could often find me walking around Nomad Supply or Woodland, whenever I wasn't at a show.
Ironically, I am seventeen and was flying solo... cept for some people I planned to meet up with. Never did find Camp Inforoo. Never found my friend that I was supposed to chill with, from Canadia, either.
Thanks for the stereotypes. Leave the negative vibes at home. ??? Or just stay there...
When they come to take you down When they bring that wagon round When they come to call on you and drag your poor body down Just one thing I ask of you, just one thing for me Please forget you know my name, my darling sugaree Shake it, shake it sugaree, just dont tell them that you know me
How's the ankle? I'm sorry I couldn't stay up longer to see you off, but I was fading fast!!!
Don't apologize at all, your help was greatly appreciated and it was like 4/5am on Monday morning so being tired is completely reasonable.
The swelling in my foot and ankle have finally gone down enough that you can once again tell I have some bones in there. I go back to the Dr. again Tuesday to find out more. Still on crutches and restricted to elevating it and icing. So, I've missed a week of work and of grad school so far Not sure how I'm going to get caught up, but at least my pain is decreasing.
IN RESPONSE TO OTHER POSTS For those of you suggesting writing a letter to Superfly, any idea about where to send it or about contact information?
I'm not a litigious person (although I think there were concerns from some of the med-staff that I was going to sue), but I do want to ensure that future Bonnaroo patrons receive better care.
Pod 2 was where I received no treatment on Saturday(although the guy did offer to wrap my ankle with gauze! ???)...and that is also the pod that sent Jay away when he tried to get me a ride to the shuttle line Monday morning. Sunday afternoon, I waved down a golf cart of medics to try to get assistance when I couldn't bare trying to walk for help anymore. They asked if I needed assistance (as they drove by). I said yes, and naively expected them to stop. They clearly heard me and kept driving. One of the girls from that cart was in the med tent I ended up in later that night and she said she had passed me because they got a call about someone with chest pain (obviously I see that as a priority, but they could have radioed for someone else to come help me...or told me to stay where I was and picked me up on their way back.) The fact that I didn't receive any help, yet again, turned me off from seeking further assistance until I was in so much pain that I couldn't stop crying and could barely walk.
The story about how I didn't receive help in either of these situations is one I had to tell over and over to med staff as they accusingly asked me why I waited until Sunday night to get help. Even the med woman that realized she had been the one to pass me earlier that day originally was treating me like I must've been a drugged up idiot not to seek treatment sooner. Her tune changed once she realized she had been one of the people to deny me help.
It should also be mentioned that the ambulance I was in (since I got sent for x-rays...they thought my foot might be broken) broke down with me in it. We were stranded for at least 20 minutes while they waited for someone to come jump the battery and jumping it took a while because of the amount energy needed to operate an ambulance.
To be fair, the majority of the staff in the main med tent, the ambulence staff, and the receptionist at the hospital were all great. (I actually feel bad that they had to deal with so many drugged up, unappreciative patients over the weekend.) But most of the Bonnaroo hired med staff I interacted with were either under-trained, over-worked, or not prepared to be at Bonnaroo.
Nothing baaaaad happens at B-roo and you are a negative nellie for being so selfish as to want to help folks other than yourself for the years to come.
And to talk about it here and find out that the problem was pod 2---how worthless. I bet you just wanna cancel out the good time that everyone else had. I hate whiners !!!!!!!
are you really in such desperate need of an argument that you're going to carry it over to this thread where it has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the discussion here and is totally out of context to the previous post?
you could always go stand on your local street corner and start insulting passersby if you have nothing better to do with your time than hope someone starts fighting with you...
Maybe I'll throw myself to the dogs, but my back's not to the wall Maybe I'll lay some bricks for the man, but the days just aren't that long So if I settle back and chill will I see far enough to feel the angel's dream? I thought it was the Story of the World!
Nothing baaaaad happens at B-roo and you are a negative nellie for being so selfish as to want to help folks other than yourself for the years to come.
And to talk about it here and find out that the problem was pod 2---how worthless. I bet you just wanna cancel out the good time that everyone else had. I hate whiners !!!!!!!
and martyrs......
Ha Ha. I appreciate the dry humor that others may not. I definitely see the relevance of this post.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 24, 2007 11:06:23 GMT -5
You didn't like what you heard - and if it bothers you I won't stereotype the crowd, another festival, or anyone else, or complain about Bonnaroo - so be it. Go complain about it to someone else (PS - feel free to smite me again... it confirms exactly where the bad vibes are coming from ).
bos1969 said:
^^^the one thing I do know is that it is not worth arguing with you about - I had a good time at 'roo - the "vibe" was different for me this year - I doubt that we will be back but never say never - if we do - we will do a few things different - different camp and no friends along for the ride
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 24, 2007 11:16:46 GMT -5
Thanks for at least addressing the post to me... jeez. You also quoted me as asking someone to keep complaints to themselves... which obviously never came out of my mouth. What I had an issue with is blatantly bad vibes coming from harsh stereotypes about age, dress/look, and festival experience (again, I won't do the braggart post). I'm also not, and never did, "defend" Bonnaroo.... I only attempted to defend young and 'different' people from taking the brunt of the blame for whatever bad vibe some people felt at a festival most of us had a great time at.
I got personal? I'd love to see that quote. As for talking about being close minded - you must have confused my post for the one that mentioned Ozzfest, teenagers, and "people that look like this or that, etc.".
I think some of the hate and percentages of people you think are cool/aren't, people that have the vibe you are looking for, etc. - is close minded... 99% of the people at Bonnaroo were friendly and laid back - and didn't chuck any stereotypes my way... I don't care what they looked like.
I'm not sure who you are calling "Brah", but I'm not in your frat bud... and boy am I glad for that. If the fratty behavior, stereotyping, and generally bad vibe comin from whatever post Bonnaroo-itis some of you have is an indication of the element that will be leaving this festival in years to come - it sounds like progress to me.
snoochio said:
mindexpansi0n said:
Sorry to hear you won't be back next year - more space for the rest of us I guess...
Ya know, when I read this quote by "mindexpansion", I was on the fence about whether it was harshy, or just trite.
The more I think about it and read posts that want people who had a rough time to keep it to themselves, the more I wonder if there is any real search for true mind expansion by some folks around here. The experience has changed. For those of you with nothing to compare this year's experience to but your own expectations, good for you. But you really have no need to defend Bonnaroo as if your own precious memories depended upon it. It's a personal experience. And to get personal and harsh about good people who only want to report honestly about their own experiences is opposed to what the vibe of Bonnaroo used to be about, right ? From these criticisms, hopefully will spawn change for the better. If you simply wanna cheerlead, that's fine. But i see no need to whitewash the experience that others had simply for the sake of remembering Bonnaroo so virginally. And then to suggest that the festival will be better off without them....simply close-minded.
Their has been an evolution of the vibe at roo for sure. And I have used the Ozzfest comparison to get that accross to folks who have been before but not this year. Many have reflected seeing that change already from years past. I still go and shine my light. From the change over the last 4 years I have witnessed, I question whether my light wouldn't be more well received in a less commercial, more grass roots situation. The people were what had always sealed the deal for me in the past. I guess that will continue to be true. The elements that i used to have to deny at Bonnaroo have increased from 5% to about 30%.
mindexpansi0n said:
Guys, Bonnaroo forced the dust on him (they made the dust and blew it around with huge underground fans don't ya know?), caused him to drain his battery (they drugged/hypnotized him into running that battery operated fan all night), and THEN they forced him not to call AAA when he got towed out of the campgrounds... oh yeah, and they also forced him to whine about it all and probably be one of the more unpleasant individuals at Bonnaroo. He WON'T be back, so don't EVEN try to talk him into it, ok?!?!
This kind of sarcasm, pandering to crowd mentality, and generally dumping on someone who is down on their luck is in the spirit of Bonnaroo, eh ?
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 24, 2007 11:20:18 GMT -5
Right on man - karma for you. I also jumped two people's vehicles ... neither of who looked a day over 18 and perhaps could have been Ozzfest attendies on a different day. I did it with a smile and no charge and one guy let me use his cellphone as mine had just lost its battery power. A simple barter of necessity, but good vibes spread without stereotypes or speculation.
tok4nug2nati0n said:
I was giving out courtesy jumps (I was traded some... things... for a jump, quite a few times) and even had a solar powered battery jumper... you just hook it up, leave it on for a few hours, go see a few shows, and by around 7-9pm, you're good to listen to music whenever you get back from shows, etc. I also brought one of those chargeable jumpers with the USB ports/AC/radio on them. People paid me for them anyway, a few times, but honestly, I wouldn't accept more than $5 or $10 donation for a quick jump. Anything more is just ridiculous. ;D There's so many out-of-the-box ways to get your car fixed at roo. To me, it just sounds like you had some bad karma and got paranoid/desperate.
I come prepared for that business... I also brought three tow ropes, tool boxes, extra oil (both synthetic and regular), and had a few ratchet sets. You could often find me walking around Nomad Supply or Woodland, whenever I wasn't at a show.
Ironically, I am seventeen and was flying solo... cept for some people I planned to meet up with. Never did find Camp Inforoo. Never found my friend that I was supposed to chill with, from Canadia, either.
Thanks for the stereotypes. Leave the negative vibes at home. ??? Or just stay there...
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 24, 2007 11:25:07 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly... I think it is best to chalk it up to post-festival withdrawl / real-world re-entry... like all things, it too shall pass.
xiphoid420 said:
are you really in such desperate need of an argument that you're going to carry it over to this thread where it has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the discussion here and is totally out of context to the previous post?
you could always go stand on your local street corner and start insulting passersby if you have nothing better to do with your time than hope someone starts fighting with you...
My thoughts exactly... I think it is best to chalk it up to post-festival withdrawl / real-world re-entry... like all things, it too shall pass.
xiphoid420 said:
are you really in such desperate need of an argument that you're going to carry it over to this thread where it has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the discussion here and is totally out of context to the previous post?
you could always go stand on your local street corner and start insulting passersby if you have nothing better to do with your time than hope someone starts fighting with you...
Really not trying to continue anything. Just to defend the rights of those who had less than optimal experiences to voice them(guess that's why i would be considered trying to martyr myself-sorry )
I've kept all my "negativity" to these threads and have posted positively elsewhere. In fact, I have been trying to keep all my posts fairly positive. I have resorted to sarcasm, but typically only to those who are jumpin' on good people for their opinions.
I guess alot of it doesn't come across in the way i intended it. So I'll stop trying. I doo think if you TRY to understand where i am coming from rather than to knee jerkedly attack me out of defense of your own position, we'd all be a little better off.
But you can't always get what ya want.
Peace to all. Exhale Poop Smile ;D
ps-I didn't choose the title of the thread--only to add my 2 cents to it.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 24, 2007 12:03:43 GMT -5
I'll grab hold of that olive branch! Peace, love, and respect to ya man... life is too short for us to argue about anything. I hope most of us make it back next year and spread all the good vibes we can muster.
snoochio said:
mindexpansi0n said:
My thoughts exactly... I think it is best to chalk it up to post-festival withdrawl / real-world re-entry... like all things, it too shall pass.
Really not trying to continue anything. Just to defend the rights of those who had less than optimal experiences to voice them(guess that's why i would be considered trying to martyr myself-sorry )
I've kept all my "negativity" to these threads and have posted positively elsewhere. In fact, I have been trying to keep all my posts fairly positive. I have resorted to sarcasm, but typically only to those who are jumpin' on good people for their opinions.
I guess alot of it doesn't come across in the way i intended it. So I'll stop trying. I doo think if you TRY to understand where i am coming from rather than to knee jerkedly attack me out of defense of your own position, we'd all be a little better off.
But you can't always get what ya want.
Peace to all. Exhale Poop Smile ;D
ps-I didn't choose the title of the thread--only to add my 2 cents to it.
do you think AC/SF is going to tone it down a bit next year?? Change anything?? Not bring in a Tool like band as a headliner. I like to see the people complain about DMB as a headliner now . . . LOL.
Post by oleander124 on Jun 24, 2007 12:53:56 GMT -5
mindexpansi0n said:
You didn't like what you heard - and if it bothers you I won't stereotype the crowd, another festival, or anyone else, or complain about Bonnaroo - so be it. Go complain about it to someone else (PS - feel free to smite me again... it confirms exactly where the bad vibes are coming from ).
bos1969 said:
^^^the one thing I do know is that it is not worth arguing with you about - I had a good time at 'roo - the "vibe" was different for me this year - I doubt that we will be back but never say never - if we do - we will do a few things different - different camp and no friends along for the ride
Ya wanna argue - go find someone else
I don't think you know Meg. She is not the problem here.
^^^ thanks Brook - but don't bother - some people will never "get" it - I have decided to quit trying
Sorry that so many have attacked you for honestly writing about your experiences. Seems like both of us were negatively impacted by medical concerns, and to me, those experiences are worth being disgruntled about.
Hope the negative reactions you received from many won't drive you away from a predominantly helpful forum.
When they come to take you down When they bring that wagon round When they come to call on you and drag your poor body down Just one thing I ask of you, just one thing for me Please forget you know my name, my darling sugaree Shake it, shake it sugaree, just dont tell them that you know me
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 24, 2007 20:47:05 GMT -5
It'd be awesome if he did Superjam with like the Kings of Leon bassist and the drummer from Tea Leaf Green or perhaps one of the guys from Queens of the Stone Age if they are on the list.
roolacksreality said:
^I would be real suprised if Trey wasn't there next year.
Now that I think about it, I DID see Ashley Capps under a few hoods with a wrench, disabling cars so he could skim $10 off towing services. I think I was sipping a $6 beer at the time.
LOL, yeah i think he was also running around centeroo and shakedown kicking up dust with a leaf blower and selling Claritin for $20 a box.